15:00:24 <jlaska> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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15:00:27 <jlaska> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:30 <jlaska> #topic Roll Call
15:00:48 * j_dulaney was just given free noms, and is also present in his Pirate garb
15:00:53 <adamw> yo
15:00:58 * athmane is here but at $dayjob :(
15:00:58 <jlaska> hellooo gang
15:01:09 <jlaska> athmane: thanks for joining
15:01:16 * brunowolff is here
15:01:23 * tflink is here
15:01:25 * mkrizek is here
15:01:31 <jlaska> adamw: j_dulaney brunowolff tflink hey folks
15:01:34 * kparal waives
15:01:34 <jlaska> welcome back mkrizek :)
15:01:37 * j_dulaney slacked off last week, and must apologize.  He was at the beach
15:02:02 <jlaska> Howdy kparal and jskladan
15:02:04 <jlaska> j_dulaney: lucky you :)
15:02:13 <j_dulaney> Indeed.
15:02:14 * rbergeron waves
15:02:16 * kparal waves again, this time correctly "0
15:02:21 * jlaska gives rbergeron the double guns
15:02:26 * rbergeron winks at jlaska
15:02:31 * jskladan tips his hat and laugs out loud to kparal's typo :)
15:02:40 <jlaska> heh
15:03:16 <jlaska> okay, anyone else we are missing?  Viking-Ice or robatino?
15:03:27 * robatino here
15:03:28 * jlaska will get started in a moment (sometimes referred to as a jiffy)
15:03:32 * j_dulaney thought he saw robatino
15:03:39 <j_dulaney> Ah, never mind
15:03:44 <jlaska> robatino: hey there ... sorry if I missed ya
15:04:01 <jlaska> okay ... I sent an agenda to the list a little while ago
15:04:02 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110711
15:04:17 <jlaska> there are a few 'status update' type topics to run through today
15:04:20 <jlaska> and of course any open discussin
15:04:26 <jlaska> let's get movin'
15:04:56 <jlaska> of course, welcome back to mkrizek, joining us for round#2 as an intern in Brno, CZ!
15:05:11 <jlaska> pschindler will be joining as well, but has a conflict for the meeting today
15:05:21 <jlaska> #topic Gnome Shell duplicate application names
15:05:31 <jlaska> Not sure if vhumpa lurks?
15:05:46 <jlaska> Didn't want this to fall off the radar, wasn't sure if vhumpa or adamw had any updates on this topic
15:06:12 <jlaska> iirc, there was a proposed application rename for the XFCE terminal?
15:06:26 * j_dulaney hasn't heard any updates
15:06:29 <vhumpa> In here!
15:06:30 <adamw> yeah, that's going through upstream
15:06:35 <athmane> xfce-terminal ?
15:06:38 <adamw> yes
15:06:43 <adamw> i don't think there's any other news
15:06:52 <adamw> we didn't get around to doing anything about the s-c-* names yet right vita?
15:07:13 <jlaska> #info Renaming of xfce-terminal application being discussed upstream
15:07:26 <jlaska> welcome again Vita! :)
15:08:17 <vhumpa> E-mail asking for an approval for removing some of the duplicate system-config-* utils from the Gnomeshell overview still sits in the desktop mailing list.
15:08:22 <adamw> there was some discussion about suppressing some of them from appearing in the gnome menus
15:08:25 <adamw> not sure if that's going ahead
15:08:49 <jlaska> vhumpa: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-June/007338.html ?
15:09:03 <vhumpa> Yes, that's the one
15:09:07 <jlaska> "would you guys agree to make the 3 duplicate system-config-*
15:09:07 <jlaska> utilities "NotShowIn" in GNOME? And if so, what steps should we take to
15:09:07 <jlaska> make this so?"
15:09:43 <jlaska> #info Waiting for desktop@ feedback to resolve duplicate system-config-* application names
15:10:40 <jlaska> is this something we think should be completed for F16?
15:10:54 <adamw> there's no reason why not.
15:10:58 <adamw> at least, the s-c-* bit.
15:11:13 <vhumpa> It's really easy to do
15:11:16 <jlaska> anyone have suggestions for helping this move forward?
15:11:19 <vhumpa> If there is an agreement
15:11:27 <jlaska> is a response to that email the blocker, or are there things we can do on the side?
15:11:59 <adamw> well we could just go ahead and change it, but that might be impolite. =)
15:12:01 <vhumpa> I don't think thats a blocker
15:12:12 <vhumpa> +1 for adamw :)
15:12:14 <adamw> it probably just requires more poking of the desktop team. they need a good regular poking.
15:12:19 <jlaska> heh
15:12:20 <adamw> it's good for the soul.
15:12:26 <jlaska> on both ends I'm sure
15:12:30 <j_dulaney> Poke adamw
15:12:31 <jlaska> the poker and the pokee
15:12:39 <adamw> unhand me, you monster!
15:12:40 <j_dulaney> TMI
15:12:53 * jlaska waves the #action tag for any volunteers
15:13:02 * jlaska holds a lollypop in other hand
15:13:05 * adamw hides behind the couch
15:13:17 * jlaska waves lollypop towards Vita
15:13:21 <jlaska> :)
15:13:29 <vhumpa> Ah, I know nothing of the Desktop team ;-)
15:13:34 <jlaska> jk ... if no one wants it, I'll be happy to nudge
15:13:36 <jlaska> vhumpa: haha
15:13:39 * j_dulaney dislikes sweets.  A pizza would be better incentive
15:14:01 <j_dulaney> Or cucumbers.  In vast quantities
15:14:03 <vhumpa> Some poking in the IRC might be sufficient
15:14:11 <j_dulaney> jlaska:  I'll do it
15:14:23 <jlaska> #action j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!
15:14:26 <j_dulaney> As long as I get cucumbers
15:14:32 <vhumpa> j_dulaney: you are a saint
15:14:47 <adamw> you can have my favorite cucumber
15:14:50 <adamw> he's called Mr. Pokey
15:15:06 <jlaska> okay ... anything else here, other than requesting a cucumber themed non-beefy miracle?
15:15:08 <j_dulaney> Ok.....
15:15:10 <tflink> j_dulaney: would this work for cucumbers? http://cukes.info/
15:15:17 <jlaska> heh
15:15:21 <tflink> its testing related :-D
15:15:41 <twoerner> the fesco meeting is in about 2 hours, right?
15:15:52 <jlaska> okay, moving on ...
15:15:57 <jlaska> #topic Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing
15:16:06 <tflink> twoerner: yeah
15:16:13 <twoerner> tflink: thx
15:16:31 <jlaska> adamw reminded me last week that RATS have entered the building!
15:16:46 <jlaska> of course, where RATs == Rawhide Acceptance Tests
15:16:57 <adamw> they're eating all the cucumbers
15:16:57 <jlaska> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
15:17:01 <jlaska> adamw: I believe they are
15:17:24 <jlaska> I've spoken to Tao Wu who did a real nice job running the RATs during F15 ... he's agreed to lead this for F16 as well
15:17:40 <jlaska> so many thanks to twu!!
15:17:43 <adamw> yay
15:18:11 <jlaska> I expect we'll have a combination of autoqa rats_{install,sanity} results later this week ... along with some announcements on test@lists.fedoraproject.org discussing issues/bugs etc..
15:18:36 <brunowolff> Grub seems to be messed up in rawhide.
15:18:40 <jlaska> I've also asked for Tao to think about incorporating live images into the RATs tests this release ... since we keep having alpha-blocking live related issues each Alpha release
15:19:03 <brunowolff> That might slow things down unless it is hardware specific.
15:19:11 <jlaska> #info twu agreed to lead Rawhide Acceptance Tests for Fedora 16 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
15:19:19 <jlaska> brunowolff: yeah it definitely might, thanks for the heads up
15:19:27 <brunowolff> Bug 718722
15:19:29 <jlaska> I've been hitting some deps problems while trying to compose testable install images
15:19:33 <jlaska> .bug 718722
15:19:35 <zodbot> jlaska: Bug 718722 Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718722
15:20:03 <athmane> this affect the recent grub update too
15:20:07 <athmane> on f15
15:20:09 <jlaska> I think twu will file a ticket to get help from rel-eng creating the PXEboot+boot.iso images for test
15:20:37 <j_dulaney> When is the divergence?
15:20:39 <athmane> has been un-pushed
15:20:40 <brunowolff> I also marked a cpu lockup bug as a possible blocker, but it only seems to affect some hardware, so the impact for testing might be low.
15:21:16 <jlaska> Tao will create the test results wiki page probably tomorrow ... as with our normal test runs, please feel free to add these issues to the list of bugs found
15:21:26 <jlaska> and of course ... the appropriate blocker list
15:21:36 <brunowolff> And that one has a potential fix I am hoping to test tonight.
15:21:52 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
15:22:07 <j_dulaney> So, by Wednesday I'll start playing with it.
15:22:14 <jlaska> adamw: guess what starts this Friday?
15:22:25 <adamw> free unicorns for all?
15:22:29 <brunowolff> The grub bug seems to be do to a change outside of grub. Maybe the C compiler.
15:22:31 <jlaska> you got it ... in the form of ...
15:22:39 <brunowolff> s/do/due/
15:22:55 <jlaska> #info Coming to a #fedora-bugzappers near you, this Friday, July 15 -- Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #1
15:23:05 <jlaska> brunowolff: thanks for chasing that one down
15:23:21 <tflink> jlaska: unicorns sound like more fun :-P
15:23:23 <adamw> blocker meetings: like unicorns, only way more tedious
15:23:28 <jlaska> tflink: they definitely are!
15:23:34 <jlaska> and less tasty
15:23:35 <j_dulaney> Flying Unicorns?
15:23:49 <adamw> what kind of sick and twisted individual...
15:23:54 <adamw> would eat a blocker meeting?
15:24:08 <j_dulaney> jlaska, it would seem
15:24:26 <jlaska> Unless anyone else is anxious for it ... I'll send out a blocker meeting reminder on Wednesday
15:24:44 <jlaska> #action jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
15:24:47 <brunowolff> Please no 4 hour meetings this release.
15:24:50 <jlaska> agreed!
15:25:03 <jsmith> Here here!
15:25:06 <jlaska> I think we'll be able to move through all those systemd proposed bugs in one big swoop
15:25:11 <j_dulaney> +1
15:25:14 <jlaska> easy way to fix the meeting time ... stop introducing bugs :)
15:25:33 <jlaska> so ... thanks to twu for agreeing to manage the RATs runs this release
15:25:38 <adamw> brunowolff: don't worry, we're aiming for a minimum of seven
15:25:38 <tflink> did we ever get anywhere on suggestions on how to make the blocker meetings less painful?
15:25:45 <jlaska> and thanks to several of you for already testing F16/rawhide
15:25:52 * tflink remembers something about pre-processing the bugs
15:25:55 <jlaska> tflink: I have not received any feedback on that subject
15:26:00 <adamw> tflink: i don't think that went anywhere yet
15:26:01 <jlaska> tflink: we can talk more about that shortly ...
15:26:06 <jlaska> that's another topic on the list
15:26:10 <jlaska> but first ...
15:26:17 <jlaska> if you act now ... you'll get ...
15:26:19 <jlaska> #topic AutoQA updates
15:26:33 <jlaska> any takers to walk us through the latest from AutoQA land?
15:26:38 <jlaska> s/takers/volunteers/
15:27:04 <kparal> the big update is...
15:27:10 <kparal> 0.5.0 release
15:27:20 <athmane> the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone
15:27:26 <kparal> I guess we didn't announce it here already, right? :)
15:27:45 <kparal> there are some blogposts about it:
15:27:47 <kparal> #link http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/autoqa-0-5-0-released/
15:28:02 <jlaska> #info AutoQA 0.5.0 released - "the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone" -athmane
15:28:10 * kparal looking for tflink's blog
15:28:26 <j_dulaney> And, already, work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6
15:28:32 <jlaska> #link http://blog.tirfa.com/autoqa-050-spamalot-less
15:28:35 * jlaska loves that title :)
15:29:08 <kparal> we didn't receive much complaints lately
15:29:10 <j_dulaney> It is awesome
15:29:16 <kparal> which means it probably works
15:29:45 <kparal> currently we began planning 0.6 release
15:30:00 <jlaska> Also known as ... "Our most important release to date" :)
15:30:17 <kparal> and with 4 more hands, we should code faster than ever :))
15:30:51 <kparal> mkrizek was already working on AutoQA and now re-joined
15:31:01 <kparal> and Petr Schindler will introduce himself next week
15:31:09 <adamw> cool
15:31:20 <jlaska> #info Work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6.0 - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-July/002524.html
15:31:33 <jlaska> awesome, we tricked mkrizek into coming back!!
15:31:41 * jlaska puts the carrots back in the drawer
15:31:59 <kparal> team: any other news worth mentioning?
15:32:30 <jlaska> #info nice new AutoQA SOP in the making - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Release_Process
15:32:36 <tflink> downtime for infra upgrades
15:32:44 <jlaska> tflink: thanks for the reminder ..
15:32:49 <kparal> are they scheduled?
15:32:53 <tflink> tomorrow, I think
15:32:54 <jlaska> yup, it's happening tomorrow
15:33:01 <tflink> thats what the notice said, anyways
15:33:07 <jlaska> anyone have suggestions for how best to coordinate this?
15:33:21 <jlaska> should we announce this outage anywhere?
15:33:36 <tflink> jlaska: probably should
15:33:56 <kparal> jlaska: are they upgrading our production instance, or it will just be shut down?
15:33:58 <tflink> do we know how long we're going to be down with the HW move and SW upgrades?
15:34:00 <jlaska> kparal: tflink: can one of you guys handle that?
15:34:15 <tflink> jlaska: sure, I can do that.
15:34:19 * kparal missed the notice
15:34:28 <jlaska> tflink: thanks, hit me up afterwards for more guidance on outage time frame etc...
15:34:51 <jlaska> kparal: it's a fresh install, and we'll have access to our old instance for a _short_ while before those resources are taken back
15:34:54 <athmane> tflink: if you need something i'll be around
15:35:05 <kparal> jlaska: it means RHEL 6?
15:35:13 <jlaska> #info AutoQA outage scheduled for Tuesday, July 12 - moving to new hardware and vlan
15:35:26 <jlaska> kparal: it'd like for it to mean that :)
15:35:29 <tflink> kparal: the announcement went out to devel@ - I don't think that it went to test@
15:35:43 <kparal> that would be great
15:35:47 <jlaska> kparal: yes it would :D
15:36:07 <tflink> athmane: thanks, do you want to be cc'd on plans?
15:36:12 <jlaska> I expect we'll likely run into some minor upgrade issues
15:36:15 <tflink> specifics, anyways
15:36:32 <jlaska> that's how those things work ... I'm planning to just work with infrastructure to push through
15:36:36 <tflink> yay for no more python 2.4 hacks!!!!
15:36:38 <jlaska> :)
15:36:55 <jlaska> #info tflink looking forward to no longer supporting python2.4 in autoqa
15:36:55 * kparal yay
15:36:57 <athmane> tflink: sure, I'm also on #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc
15:37:11 <jlaska> note, autotest itself still will support python-2.4 ... but I don't think that's something we need to worry about
15:37:34 <jlaska> kparal: tflink: any objections if I move my proposed Makefile patch into 'master'?
15:37:55 <tflink> jlaska: nope, I just started trying it out this morning
15:38:00 <kparal> jlaska: no
15:38:01 <tflink> looks fine so far
15:38:02 <jlaska> tflink: cool, lemme know if you hit any bugs
15:38:12 <jlaska> tflink: kparal: thanks
15:38:29 <jlaska> anything else to hilight on autoqa?
15:38:47 <tflink> nothing I can think of
15:39:07 <jlaska> thanks gang for the great 0.5.0 release ... and for getting that ball rollin' for 0.6.0!
15:39:20 <jlaska> #topic R^3 - Retrospective recommendation review
15:39:31 <jlaska> nothing amazing to report here ...
15:39:50 <j_dulaney> No flying unicorns?
15:39:57 <j_dulaney> Or cucumbers?
15:39:57 <jlaska> just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look
15:40:28 <jlaska> athmane, rhe and adamw have already been making tons of progress on related items from the list ... so thank you
15:40:37 <jlaska> #info just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look
15:40:53 <jlaska> #info flying unicorns and/or cucumbers will be considered as rewards
15:41:27 <jlaska> the topic tflink mentioned earlier is on this list ...
15:41:30 <adamw> flying cucumbers? i want me one of those
15:41:42 <jlaska> waiting for some brave soul to create the request and get this starting
15:42:12 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations
15:42:25 <tflink> jlaska: the one about blocker review process?
15:42:47 <jlaska> tflink: you got it ... "Brainstorm for ways to reduce the blocker review meeting length - The meetings are required, effective but far too long. How can we encourage more offline/asynchronous bug processing"
15:43:03 <jlaska> also on this subject ... I'm in the process of creating an SOP to outline the QA Retrospective process
15:43:22 <jlaska> I'll send that to the list for feedback once I flesh out some more content
15:43:52 <jlaska> adamw: did you already address the need for betanag criteria?
15:44:00 <j_dulaney> jlaska:  Review RHBZ #704030 with rel-eng to identify cause and make appropriate SOP changes to ensure issue is not repeated, has someone got that?
15:44:04 <jlaska> I know we talked about it ... but I can't remember if that was already addressed, or still in idea phase
15:44:11 <j_dulaney> If not, I will
15:44:13 <jlaska> j_dulaney: if you don't see a ticket for it ... go for it!
15:44:25 * j_dulaney will grab it
15:44:27 <adamw> jlaska: oh, good one. no, didn't do anything yet iirc
15:44:29 <jlaska> j_dulaney: I can create the ticket if you like, just shout
15:44:55 <j_dulaney> jlaska:  I will
15:45:04 <jlaska> adamw: those might be of interest to you (and anyone else who loves unicorns and release criteria) - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Release_Criteria
15:45:08 <jlaska> j_dulaney: thank you!!
15:45:46 <jlaska> okay, any questions/comments/concerns on the F15 retrospective topic
15:45:56 * jlaska prepares to move on ...
15:45:56 <adamw> shiny
15:46:45 <jlaska> #topic Cloud SIG testing
15:47:03 <jlaska> This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images
15:47:22 <jlaska> #info This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images
15:47:52 <jlaska> #info athmane answered the call and created a TRAC ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/212) and test day page
15:47:55 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane/Draft_Test_Day_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2
15:48:28 <j_dulaney> The issue here is I haven't got any EC2 space
15:48:29 <jlaska> my understanding is we are trying to decide on a date for the event
15:48:29 <adamw> is the sig on board with this?
15:49:03 <tflink> from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built
15:49:09 <j_dulaney> This issue was raised during the trip to SELF, namely, how get more people to test this without spending too much money
15:49:10 * athmane is confused in that matter
15:49:15 <tflink> and whether its possible for the BG built AMIs to be blessed by rel-eng
15:49:24 <jlaska> #info from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built
15:49:32 <jlaska> rbergeron: still around?
15:50:08 <tflink> rbergeron would know more but I believe that the desire was to have a late F15 test day for the AMIs and schedule another one for F16
15:50:34 <athmane> when I wrote test page / test cases I supposed using fedora as server but amazon specific tests are required imho
15:50:57 <jlaska> yeah, it may be ... so who has the ball on this request?
15:51:08 * tflink needs to get off his butt and start some conversations on S3/EBS
15:51:12 <rbergeron> jlaska: yes.
15:51:32 * athmane does not use public cloud (amazon etc...)
15:51:36 <rbergeron> ONLY for you, and adamw, and tflink, and athmane, and j_dulaney, though. :)
15:51:37 <j_dulaney> rbergeron:  What is the status of providing space for testing purposes?
15:52:18 <rbergeron> j_dulaney: on amazon? I'm working with the guy to try and get AWS credits set up. It's not going to be soon, though. Probably more towards end of F16.
15:52:22 <rbergeron> In the interim:
15:52:27 <rbergeron> For those that want to participate
15:52:44 <rbergeron> I believe the cost is *incredibly* low, like... a few dollars.
15:52:46 <rbergeron> And I will send them 5 bucks.
15:52:53 <rbergeron> Because I am tired of screwing around with it.
15:53:03 <adamw> we can put that on the test day page, i guess.
15:53:06 <rbergeron> I will send it via paypal or USPS. Whatever. LOL
15:53:13 <jlaska> heh
15:53:20 <adamw> get paid (a minuscule amount) to test fedora!
15:53:23 <athmane> rbergeron: :)
15:53:26 * j_dulaney notes that he still hasn't a credit card
15:53:29 <rbergeron> It would be nice if someone could verify that it's going to be that low of cost, so I'll see if I can get gholms to maybe estimate.
15:53:39 <rbergeron> But I seroiusly believe it would be very low cost.
15:53:58 <tflink> once we get the test cases hammered out, I can go through them and get an estimate
15:54:05 * jsmith estimates two or three dollars at most
15:54:26 <rbergeron> Because basically, "community account" means that anyone can do anything, including setting up a personal server for selling pretty pictures over the internet, which would cost 8 zillion dollars.
15:54:30 <rbergeron> yeah.
15:55:00 <jlaska> #info Trying to figure out how to reimburse testers for participating in testing Fedora AMIs
15:55:35 * kparal and jskladan departs
15:55:51 <jlaska> so we need some additional test cases too? or is what athmane has good?
15:55:55 <jlaska> kparal: jskladan: thank you
15:55:58 <rbergeron> If and when we can get AWS credits going, it will make it a bit easier. (And Amazon will pay for it, too.)
15:56:17 <rbergeron> jlaska: everyone in the cloud sig seemed comfortable with what was listed.
15:56:22 <jlaska> rbergeron: yeah, that seems to be a significant participation roadblock
15:56:35 <rbergeron> I'll send an email now saying, Please speak in the next few days, or forever hold your peace.
15:56:37 * athmane distracted by th phone
15:56:44 <jlaska> okay, anything else to track here?
15:57:03 <rbergeron> jlaska: yeah, but assuming we don't have 500 people show up, and it's like 100 bucks or less from my pocket, it should be fine to paypal/cash reimburse people in the short-term.
15:57:13 <jlaska> #action rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas
15:57:26 <tflink> rbergeron: you might want to add "get approval first" to that process
15:57:32 <tflink> if it isn't already there
15:58:10 <tflink> I'm just thinking something along the lines of "send an email first" but maybe that's not really needed
15:58:19 <jlaska> any other action items or tasks associated with this topic?
15:58:29 <jlaska> in the interest of time ... looking to move on
15:58:46 <jlaska> we can obviously discuss this more on the list, on #fedora-qa ... or next week
15:59:01 <rbergeron> yeah. I dunno.
15:59:11 <rbergeron> tflink: maybe it's a "if you're one of the first 15 or 20" or something.
15:59:23 <jlaska> that seems reasonable
15:59:40 <jlaska> first 20 people to participate, are compensated (up to a X dollar limit)
16:00:01 <jlaska> everyone else gets IOU's
16:00:29 <jlaska> #topic Security Lab SPIN matrix
16:00:33 <jlaska> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/207
16:01:02 <jlaska> athmane created this nice test matrix ... do we have a plan for how to incorporate this into our release process?
16:01:21 <athmane> please at least on beta or rcX
16:01:22 <jlaska> or is the idea this will just be used for self-hosting security SPIN testing?
16:01:35 <jlaska> adamw: any thoughts? ^^
16:01:41 <athmane> self-hosting sound great
16:01:49 <athmane> *sounds
16:01:56 <adamw> it looks great
16:02:00 <adamw> jlaska: there isn't much we need to do
16:02:17 <adamw> jlaska: just adjust the SOP that says what to do when a pre-release goes out to include that matrix
16:02:20 <jlaska> right ... my question is whether we include this matrix in the list of matrices that robatino and rhe announce for test events
16:02:24 * athmane may add some security testcases in the near future
16:02:28 <adamw> i was planning to add the security matrix and the base matrix to the SOP at the same time
16:02:30 <jlaska> adamw: yeah that's what I was wondering
16:02:32 <adamw> sure
16:02:51 <adamw> put 'em all in the right categories and that's it, really
16:02:52 <j_dulaney> jlaska +1 for including in test event announces
16:03:28 <jlaska> #info adamw suggested adjusting the existing release validation SOP to include the new Security SPIN matrix
16:03:39 <athmane> so it ok to run test once peer cycle
16:04:03 <jlaska> anyone want to volunteer a SOP patch?  like something against https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event
16:04:31 <jlaska> adamw: If I may, do you think you have room to include this with your 'base' matrix changes?
16:04:38 <adamw> sure
16:04:48 <adamw> or athmane can do it
16:04:51 <adamw> either way we'll get it done =)
16:04:57 <jlaska> excellent
16:05:19 <jlaska> #info athmane or adamw will propose changes to the release SOP to include the Security SPIN matrix in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event
16:05:24 <adamw> athmane: there's no real drawback to publishing it for each pre-release afaics, then we make sure the security list is notified, and they can run through it as often as they choose
16:05:24 <athmane> adamw: I try to do it, it a great experience
16:05:29 <adamw> and qa folks can pitch in too
16:05:30 <jlaska> athmane: thanks for volunteering!!
16:05:32 <adamw> cool
16:05:58 <jlaska> #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>
16:06:09 <jlaska> anything not previously discussed that folk would like to cover here?
16:06:17 * jlaska sets the 2 minute #endmeeting fuse
16:06:42 <jsmith> Just another "thank you" from the FPL -- I'm seeing great things in QA, and that makes me proud
16:07:08 <jlaska> agreed
16:07:09 <jlaska> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101166.html
16:07:53 <jlaska> less than ~30 seconds remaining until #endmeeting
16:08:09 <jlaska> if no other topics, I'll follow-up to the list with meeting minutes
16:08:18 <jlaska> thanks everyone for your time today ... happy testing!!
16:08:20 <jlaska> #endmeeting