05:02:26 #startmeeting i18n 05:02:26 Meeting started Thu Jul 21 05:02:26 2011 UTC. The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:02:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:02:32 #meetingname i18n 05:02:32 The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 05:02:40 #topic agenda and roll call 05:02:53 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-07-21 05:03:23 hi guys, let's have i18n meeting 05:03:31 who else here today? 05:03:51 hi 05:04:18 hi 05:04:20 please add any topics if we're missing anything else or bring up at the end of meeting. 05:04:29 hi 05:05:36 hi 05:05:57 okay, let's get started then 05:06:01 #topic F16 05:06:22 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GnomeInputIntegration 05:06:45 it has been accepted for f16 now 05:06:54 yes 05:07:33 fujiwarat, I was thinking again about ibus and xkb... 05:07:36 any particular concerns or info to share in this meeting so far? 05:07:54 juhp: ok 05:08:15 fujiwarat, what about local xkb configuration? 05:08:30 eg user might swap Caps and Ctrl say 05:09:16 actually I forget how we came to have xkb maps translated into ibus... 05:09:58 I feel like ibus should "talk" to xkb maybe not replace it? 05:10:55 fujiwarat, can you comment? 05:11:15 is it in the scope on this feature? 05:11:31 I feel so 05:11:55 What do you mean to replace the xkb maps? I'd expect that users launch 'g-c-c region'!? 05:13:31 Currently ibus shows the session xkb keymaps as the 'default' layout engine and it would be read-only. 05:13:34 fujiwarat, I mean I feel it is better if ibus just did the equivalent of setxkbmap per IC, but perhaps I am misunderstanding the implementation 05:13:39 okay 05:14:02 hi 05:14:34 Yes, I agree the design is very important for us. 05:15:28 I guess I need to test a bit more perhaps... I think hash claimed that recent ibus overrode his swap-caps-ctrl setting or whatever extension xkb calls it 05:15:58 is it filed in bz? 05:16:45 so ibus only uses xkb for the system layout? 05:16:49 tagoh: no :( 05:17:12 I was asking him to do that but he seems a bit frustrated to do that... 05:17:21 heh 05:17:26 juhp: Yes. it does. Maybe I understood one problem. Let's talk about it later :). 05:18:16 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_16_test_days 05:18:37 fujiwarat, can we have a testday for ibus for F16? 05:18:46 we have 3 slots for i18n testing 05:18:51 3? 05:18:58 wow 05:18:58 yep 05:19:14 well, actually we had in f15 time frame as well 05:19:50 translations, installation and desktop testing 05:20:11 we may need to create/update testcases for ibus 05:20:45 maybe we need to talk to Noriko about the scope... hmm 05:20:59 to have efficient feedbacks of what we are about to change in this release. 05:21:13 * juhp hadn't noticed the l10n/i18n test-week fully until now... 05:21:33 I still wonder if it might not be better to have a separate TestDay for ibus for the Feature 05:22:13 well, we could have another testing if it's hard to have certain amount of testing 05:22:45 I mean https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-26_I18n_Desktop could be quite broad and dilute the ibus testing 05:23:01 or both might be ideal 05:23:26 sure. it's not for ibus only right 05:23:38 hmm though contra-argument might be it is too much hmmm 05:23:53 but it may be better update the testcase to ensure no regressions at least 05:24:13 right but I don't think testcases cover the new Features 05:24:27 current testcase isn't enough to cover that since we are going to change in xkb thing perhaps 05:24:36 yep 05:24:37 yeah 05:24:54 that's why I said the above to create/update testcase :) 05:24:56 hmm I still feel a separate testday would be more focused 05:25:00 sure 05:25:06 we could integrate them 05:25:09 Maybe I hope major IMEs have their string icons on gnome-shell ibus icon instead of the default language prefix. 05:25:18 fujiwarat, yes 05:25:44 fujiwarat, which IMEs have been updated so far? 05:26:57 juhp: I guess m17n, table, chewing might not be finished. 05:27:08 and indic? 05:27:26 and pinyin :). 05:27:48 so in conclusion: anthy and hangul so far? 05:28:23 Yes, my understanding is, anthy, hangul, mozc, skk are done. 05:28:53 * juhp failed to boot rawhide live on his old testbox yesterday :-/ 05:28:58 fujiwarat, cool 05:29:14 fujiwarat, could you file bugs for the rest please? 05:29:35 Oh, I see. 05:30:42 fujiwarat: so can you update testcases for test days if we are missing there for any regression testing at least? 05:30:57 even good to have new one for feature testing though 05:31:54 tagoh: Do you mean to update QA:Testcase_i18n_input_method wiki page? 05:32:40 Ah, QA:Testcase_i18n_ibus_input 05:32:41 would rather be QA:Testcase_i18n_ibus_input 05:32:46 right 05:32:48 ok, sure. 05:32:55 okay 05:33:12 also good to add one if you particularly need some feedbacks for something 05:33:21 does someone want to put their name down on the TestDay page? 05:33:56 I can join as usual 05:35:02 cool 05:35:23 okay, anything else for f16? 05:36:08 fwiw add the blocker/nth bugs tracking for i18n back in dashsboard 05:36:59 dunno if we have anything so far but maybe good to go through bz once 05:37:06 fujiwarat, in order to have the string icons, the new format of .xml is a must? 05:37:50 dingyichen: Yes, the tag is needed. 05:37:57 yeah do we have any high priority bugs for f16? 05:38:54 does anyone have any bugs you're concerned for alpha? 05:38:56 .bug 711641 05:38:58 juhp: Bug 711641 capplet support on GNOME3 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711641 05:39:06 any change for this yet btw? 05:39:18 wip 05:39:23 nice 05:41:43 so no bugs blocking release so far? 05:43:22 okay, guess better move on. 05:43:33 #topic Input Methods 05:43:45 any updates on IM? 05:44:23 juhp: any updates for multilib btw? 05:45:10 afraid not sorry 05:45:20 okay 05:45:22 quite slipped through my cracks 05:45:45 to be honest I even forgot my Action Item 05:46:35 ibus-1.3.99.20110419-12.fc15 will be available soon. It improves the lookup window on gnome-shell. The test is appreciate. 05:46:52 fujiwarat, what is new there? 05:47:12 fujiwarat, I think it is good to give updates a full week in testing before pushing btw 05:47:18 It's a clutter based lookup window. 05:47:27 or karma 3 05:47:29 aha 05:48:02 nice 05:48:03 juhp: yeah, that would be nice to have certain testing 05:49:41 okay, anything else on this topic? 05:51:41 let's move on then 05:51:48 #topic Fonts and Rendering 05:52:15 any updates? 05:54:18 not yet response in upstream though getting rid of apple roman support from fontconfig seems fixing wrong assignments of characters in some fonts 05:54:38 had testing for that last week 05:56:40 anything else? 05:56:56 or anything we are missing in the agenda? 05:57:27 just want to mention that I have released inscript2 maps 05:57:46 paragan, url? 05:57:52 cool - saw that mail in the list 05:57:59 aha 05:58:16 and the project page is https://fedorahosted.org/inscript2 05:58:42 its the implementation based on draft release by CDAC 06:01:41 anything else? 06:02:42 if not, let's close the meeting shortly 06:04:43 okay, thanks everyone for the meeting! 06:04:53 #endmeeting