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13:00:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 15 13:00:34 2011 UTC.  The chair is zoglesby. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:00:57 <zoglesby> #topic roll call
13:01:01 * bcotton 
13:01:13 * zoglesby is here (I think)
13:01:19 <pkovar> I'm here
13:01:26 * eslobodo is here
13:01:30 * jjmcd 
13:01:35 * fnadge too
13:02:20 <zoglesby> no Sparks...
13:02:22 <zoglesby> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
13:02:32 <zoglesby> + rudi to continue to follow up on FOP issue
13:02:46 <zoglesby> jjmcd: you said rudi had a fix for this?
13:02:55 <jjmcd> Yes, a few weeks ago
13:03:13 <zoglesby> or an interim solution
13:03:13 <jjmcd> I don't recall, tho whether it was on fedorpeople or koji
13:03:33 <zoglesby> okay, I will send an email to find out the status
13:03:36 <jjmcd> Seems like it was a new version of FOP - still not in the repos as bes I can tell
13:04:15 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby email rudi to find out status of FOP
13:05:03 <zoglesby> Sparks so I will skip his items and get him to reply to the list
13:05:09 <zoglesby> + jjmcd to write draft tech notes for beat writers
13:05:18 <jjmcd> done, link on meeting page
13:05:41 <zoglesby> #link http://jjmcd.fedorapeople.org/Download/F16_Technical_Notes/index.html
13:05:51 <zoglesby> jjmcd: thanks, any issue come up with that?
13:05:58 <jjmcd> No, interesting tho
13:06:12 <jjmcd> that once again we have a huge number ofnew genomics apps
13:06:42 <zoglesby> jjmcd: did you try to email the packager to find out if we wanted to work on a guide?
13:06:55 <zoglesby> I don't remember what we said on that
13:07:09 <jjmcd> no i didn't - didn't even identfy whether there was a single primary packager
13:07:20 <zoglesby> ie if we wanted to email him, or bring it up at FUDCon
13:07:35 <zoglesby> ah, okay
13:07:45 <zoglesby> I may be thinking about something else
13:08:07 <zoglesby> #topic Fedora 16 Schedule
13:08:13 <jjmcd> Well, I know following up on the packager was something that occurred to me
13:08:28 <zoglesby> #link http://tinyurl.com/F16-docs
13:08:40 * nathant sneaks in at the back
13:08:46 <zoglesby> the only actual item this week is the Alpha notes
13:08:48 <zoglesby> + Create Alpha Announcement (Marketing & Docs)Thu 2011-08-11
13:08:58 <jjmcd> And good progress there
13:09:00 <zoglesby> and I think that jjmcd has done most of the work on that
13:09:09 <jjmcd> Several folks came out of the woodwork to work on them
13:09:17 * suehle follows nathant in the back door :)
13:09:29 <jjmcd> I put up a skeleton, but rahul, I think nathant and others did a lot of work
13:09:52 <zoglesby> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_release_notes
13:10:06 <jjmcd> One thing rahul did I'm not 100% sure of
13:10:15 <zoglesby> great, thanks to everyone that helped out with that
13:10:22 <nathant> np!
13:10:35 <jjmcd> He put most of the detail in the announcement and cleaned out the RNs to point tot he announcement.  Not sure whether it shoudl be the other way around
13:11:10 <jjmcd> But it doesn't look all that bad the way it is
13:11:28 <jjmcd> If marketing is happy with it i'll let it go
13:11:36 <nathant> Surely the alpha release notes are the alpha for the release notes as well as being release notes for the alpha?
13:11:46 <nathant> By which I mean, they should be detailed?
13:11:47 <jjmcd> nathant, not really
13:11:48 <zoglesby> I will get with rbergeron or someone from marketing this week to give it a once over
13:11:56 <nathant> oh ok
13:12:03 <jjmcd> Beta is, but alpha rn's are wiki only, one page, pretty minimal
13:12:09 <nathant> ok cool
13:12:37 <jjmcd> A word t folks working on rn's
13:12:59 <zoglesby> jjmcd: are we making progress on the release notes? I have not looked at the rn page to see if people are verifying there beats
13:13:12 <jjmcd> The tech notes have all changes, so you can look at areas relevant to your beat, follow the upstream link, and get some insight there
13:13:31 <jjmcd> zoglesby, some, more progress on the beats than removing the *s
13:13:50 * zoglesby needs to get started on my beats
13:14:20 <jjmcd> Several writers started working on beat after i posted to dev
13:14:39 <zoglesby> jjmcd: thats what I like to hear!
13:15:02 <zoglesby> anyone have any schedule issue they want to bring up?
13:15:04 <jjmcd> but we are very short on time this release
13:15:26 * jjmcd needs to beat on rbergeron to be sure we have a schedule review next release
13:15:42 <zoglesby> jjmcd: I will make sure that happens
13:16:03 <jjmcd> zoglesby, most RN work happens for beta
13:16:09 <jjmcd> and that is very short this time
13:16:43 <jjmcd> GA is minor updates and waiting for L10n
13:17:07 <zoglesby> #topic FAD @ OLF
13:18:07 <zoglesby> Sparks and I got an email back from the people at OLF and it looks like our internet connection will be free. They also offered lunch that day for 20 bucks a head, but I think that Sparks is going to address that on the list
13:18:32 <zoglesby> that is the only news I have on OLF
13:18:54 <zoglesby> jjmcd: do you have anything about either FUDCon?
13:19:03 <jjmcd> No, not really
13:19:07 <zoglesby> if not I am going to pass over that this week
13:19:10 <zoglesby> okay
13:19:13 <jjmcd> EMEA is getting close, too
13:19:22 <jjmcd> We have some time for NA
13:19:35 <zoglesby> we are also going to pass QA for the week
13:19:50 <zoglesby> #topic Guide Status
13:20:12 * jjmcd just checked, rudi has a fop on koji
13:20:16 <zoglesby> I saw an email about Gnome 3 for the Users Guide, anyone have any updates on this?
13:20:19 <zoglesby> jjmcd: thanks!
13:20:26 <jjmcd> and I think that is the one that works
13:20:28 <nathant> zoglesby: yes
13:20:37 <zoglesby> nathant: the floor is yours!
13:20:41 <nathant> It's now been updated for GNOME 3
13:20:44 <nathant> but
13:20:48 <nathant> I need people to proofread
13:20:57 <nathant> and fix my broken DocBook
13:21:00 <jjmcd> woo-hoo!!!
13:21:05 <nathant> and standardise my tags
13:21:13 <fnadge> Hi, am working on Gnome 3 and was wonmdering whether anybody else has done or is going to do anything on this chapter. Also, does anybody have any suggestions concenring : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_User_Guide_Gnome_3_Chapter
13:21:13 <nathant> which are a bit all over the place
13:21:39 <nathant> fnadge: it's all in the User Guide git repo
13:21:46 <zoglesby> nathant: great, I will try and have a look ove the next few days
13:21:59 <fnadge> excellent
13:22:08 <nathant> fnadge: feel free to add anything from your wiki to the repo if you think it fits
13:22:20 <nathant> in particular, we need something about updating the system
13:22:30 <fnadge> Sure, sounds great, thanks
13:22:35 <nathant> probably in the 'Managing Software' section
13:22:51 <nathant> also
13:23:01 <nathant> I understand that the guide currently has no maintainer
13:23:15 <nathant> no one to branch it, publish drafts and translations etc
13:23:22 <nathant> so we need to find someone to do that
13:23:26 <nathant> any volunteers???
13:23:27 <fnadge> Do we have a chapter for the new KDE plasma screen?
13:23:39 <nathant> fnadge: I don't know about that
13:23:43 <fnadge> Sure, I can maintain that
13:23:55 <nathant> my feeling is that we should get what is there up to date and correct
13:24:00 <nathant> then add extra stuff later!
13:24:23 <nathant> fnadge: ok, great!
13:24:24 <zoglesby> nathant: you mean push what we have to docs.fp.o now?
13:24:31 <bcotton> is laubersm not maintaining the UG anymore?
13:24:56 <fnadge> nathant: well talked to some KDE people here and was told that they might need help with that
13:24:59 <nathant> bcotton: the Guide Goals for F16 wiki page says that a new maintainer is needed
13:25:14 <nathant> I think laubersm wrote that
13:25:19 <nathant> so I'm guessing not!
13:25:22 <bcotton> nathant: i guess that answers that :-)
13:25:29 <nathant> although if she wants to carry on doing it, then great
13:25:38 <nathant> bcotton: are you working on the printing chapter?
13:26:02 <zoglesby> bcotton: thanks for brining that up
13:26:21 <zoglesby> We need to have people verify they are still willing to be guide owners
13:26:39 <nathant> does anyone know if there's a wiki page for guide maintaining?
13:26:44 <bcotton> nathant: correct. i'll update it for f16 when i can get gnome3 working in virtual box :p
13:26:51 <nathant> like a list of tasks it entails?
13:26:55 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby email docs-list to have guide owners verify they are still working there guides
13:26:58 <nathant> bcotton: great
13:27:20 <nathant> bcotton: I left that chapter well alone because I knew you were working on it!
13:27:28 <zoglesby> any other guide items?
13:27:41 <nathant> guide maintenance wiki page?
13:27:53 <bcotton> re: how to maintain guides page, there's not one that i know of. but if someone experienced would like to start one, that'd be really useful to those of us who are newer
13:27:58 <zoglesby> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Guides
13:28:03 <zoglesby> bcotton: ^^
13:28:18 <zoglesby> oh, how to
13:28:36 <nathant> yes, how to
13:28:40 <fnadge> By the way, I can remember you were looking into aq guide for astrophysics, we got two people here in Brno. Who is looking after that project at the moment?
13:28:40 <bcotton> zoglesby: yeah, nathant asked about it a few lines up
13:29:17 <jjmcd> fnadge, gomix was heading that up
13:29:26 <jjmcd> Will the Brno folks be at Milan?
13:29:37 <fnadge> jjmcd: thanks, will email him
13:29:43 <zoglesby> jjmcd: would you be willing to work with me to create a guide owners howto page?
13:29:51 <jjmcd> zoglesby, sure
13:30:12 <fnadge> jjmcd: nope, I don't think so
13:30:13 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby and jjcmd to work on guide owners manual on wiki
13:30:18 <nathant> zoglesby, jjmcd: that would be great
13:30:25 <nathant> one more thing about guides
13:30:29 <nathant> TRANSIFEX
13:30:30 <jjmcd> fnadge, bothe gomix and I will be there
13:30:39 <jjmcd> nathant, ack!
13:31:08 <fnadge> jjmcd: great, jhradilek, pkovar and me have already booked a flight
13:31:17 <nathant> does anyone need help getting Transifex.net working with their guide or whatnot?
13:31:34 <jjmcd> nathant, I have had zero success with release notes
13:31:38 <nathant> There are some important changes happening this wekk
13:31:50 <jjmcd> Mostly waiting for build system rather than burning more cycles
13:32:03 <zoglesby> nathant: the issue I see is that most guide owners have yet to get it working
13:32:23 <zoglesby> nb did a lot of work last release to get us going, but not much happend after that
13:33:11 <nathant> ok, perhaps I should just take a look at the RNs and the guides
13:33:16 <nathant> and see if I can set it up
13:33:23 <nathant> I managed to do it for the Live Image Guide
13:33:32 <jjmcd> nathant, the F15 RNs have several translations outstanding
13:33:38 <zoglesby> nathant: if you have time that would be great
13:33:43 <jjmcd> I notices LiveImage was the only thing translated
13:33:48 <nathant> and the Transifex folks have some good documentation
13:34:05 <zoglesby> I also need to spend some time with it, we did a bad job working with L10N last release and I would like to fix that
13:34:06 <nathant> ok if I have time this week I will see what I can do
13:34:17 <nathant> priorities? RNs?
13:34:31 <zoglesby> nathant: yeah RN first
13:34:38 <nathant> ok
13:34:46 <jjmcd> nathant, I'm sure a lot of translators would be happy if you could publish their F15 translations
13:34:48 <zoglesby> its the only item that changes 100% every release
13:35:01 <nathant> jjmcd: ok, I'll try
13:35:19 <nathant> I'm free this week, but then all hell breaks loose on Friday
13:35:24 <zoglesby> any other items for guides?
13:35:35 <nathant> and it'll be 2-3 weeks before I have any more time to work on stuff
13:35:45 <pkovar> nathant:  i've some experience working with tx so i can help you out with that
13:35:59 <nathant> pkovar: excellent, thank you!
13:36:20 <zoglesby> #topic Open floor discussion
13:36:29 <pkovar> nathant: no problem, just ping me
13:36:35 <zoglesby> Anything other comments, complaints, etc?
13:36:38 <nathant> pkovar: ok
13:37:40 <jjmcd> yes
13:37:51 <zoglesby> jjmcd: go for it
13:37:51 <jjmcd> any hints on how to get a review
13:38:07 <jjmcd> I have a non-docs package wanting a review for a while now
13:38:15 <jjmcd> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722640
13:38:22 <zoglesby> I saw someone trading reviews in another room last week :P
13:38:23 <jjmcd> I'm pretty stale on the whole process
13:38:34 <zoglesby> jjmcd: I will have a look at it today
13:38:42 <jjmcd> Don't know if I'm qualified to review someone else's work
13:38:50 <zoglesby> oh
13:39:00 <zoglesby> review never mind
13:39:34 <jjmcd> Yeah, and this one is kind of weird
13:39:39 <jjmcd> It's an R plugin
13:40:18 <zoglesby> jjmcd: I have no advice
13:41:10 <jjmcd> I may have to ask spot for help
13:41:10 <zoglesby> With that I will end the meeting, thanks everyone for showing up
13:41:16 <jjmcd> thanks Zach
13:41:26 <zoglesby> #endmeeting