13:00:41 <jjmcd> #startmeeting Fedora Docs - agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 13:00:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 22 13:00:41 2011 UTC. The chair is jjmcd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:00:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:00:50 <jjmcd> #topic Roll Call 13:00:54 * jhradilek is here. 13:00:55 * jjmcd 13:01:00 <pkovar> I'm here 13:01:06 * eslobodo is here 13:01:36 <jjmcd> zoglesby won't be here, and Sparks will be a little late 13:01:40 * bcotton is here 13:01:42 <jjmcd> speaking of which 13:01:58 <Sparks_too> I'll still be a little late. 13:02:18 <jjmcd> At lease you will have the scroll 13:02:27 <jjmcd> #topic Follow up on last week's action items 13:02:39 <jjmcd> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-08-15/fedora-meeting.2011-08-15-13.00.txt 13:02:54 <jjmcd> This is going to be a little boring since we don't have Zach 13:03:03 <jjmcd> * zoglesby email rudi to find out status of FOP 13:03:13 <jjmcd> Does anyone know whether this happened? 13:03:32 <jjmcd> #action zoglesby email rudi to find out status of FOP 13:03:44 <jjmcd> * zoglesby email docs-list to have guide owners verify they are still working there guides 13:03:59 <jjmcd> I don't remember seeing this, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen 13:04:06 <jjmcd> Anyone else remember seeing this? 13:04:26 <jjmcd> #action zoglesby email docs-list to have guide owners verify they are still working there guides 13:04:38 <jjmcd> #action zoglesby and jjcmd to work on guide owners manual on wiki 13:04:44 <jjmcd> ANd I know that didn't happen 13:05:04 <jjmcd> #topic F16 Schedule 13:05:16 <jjmcd> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-docs-tree-tasks.html 13:05:29 <jjmcd> #info Unclaimed Beats (Aug 31) 13:05:50 <jjmcd> So, we basically have a little over a week to essentially complete the Release Notes 13:06:07 <jjmcd> After that its all touch up and translation 13:06:20 <jjmcd> #info Test master branches of guides against Alpha and correct (Sep 6) 13:06:28 <jjmcd> The time for this starts tomorrow 13:07:02 <jjmcd> Guide owners should install Alpha on a stick or VM or whatever, and review the Aplha to look for conflicts with their Guide 13:07:34 <jjmcd> Does anyone need help understanding how to review Alpha? 13:08:34 <jjmcd> I think folks like the User's Guide are in a little bit of hurt since the cosmetics for screenshots are not likely to be complete for Alpha 13:09:28 <jjmcd> But then they can probably capture updated screenshots while the translation screenshots are being grabbed 13:09:53 <jjmcd> Why is everyone so quiet? 13:10:33 <jhradilek> jjmcd: We are afraid to say anything. ;-) 13:10:41 <jjmcd> LOL 13:11:04 <jjmcd> OBTW, I have a draft for Milan I would like to go over with you. Do you have a few minutes after the meeting? 13:11:29 <jhradilek> Will you have time later? 13:11:39 <jjmcd> yep 13:12:04 <jjmcd> http://jjmcd.fedorapeople.org/Download/Pub-DocBook.odp 13:12:32 * jhradilek is downloading the file. 13:12:33 <jjmcd> I'm dragging my feet for Sparks since the next few items are his 13:13:22 <jjmcd> Sparks, you back yet? 13:14:03 * jjmcd has a few things to clear out today, then will work on finishing up any unfinished beats 13:14:19 <jjmcd> Anyone willing to help would be appreciated 13:15:03 <jjmcd> BTW, as of this morning, Barnes and Noble still has some of the cheap TouchPads if anyone has been hunting 13:15:11 <jjmcd> Sparks, where are you? 13:16:10 <jjmcd> #topic FAD @ OLF 13:16:20 <jjmcd> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_@_OLF_2011 13:16:58 <jjmcd> Anyone have anything regarding OLF while we wait for Eric? 13:17:32 <suehle> jjmcd: I'm sure what will happen is that somebody will manage to get Android on it, and I'll be sad I didn't buy one. 13:17:32 * Sparks is here 13:17:54 <jjmcd> suehle, I'm sure that will happen, but it will be a downgrade ;-) 13:18:14 <jjmcd> suehle, only $102 for the 16G 13:18:24 <jjmcd> OK, Sparks are we set on OLF? 13:18:33 <Sparks> We have a place to meet on Sunday... 13:18:49 <Sparks> stickster said he would speak on Python development... 13:19:00 <jjmcd> Network? Speakerphones? Screen? Projector? Coffee? 13:19:04 <jjmcd> cool 13:19:08 <Sparks> I just need to get a message out to the troops to see who wants to buy in on the lunch. 13:19:23 <Sparks> The meeting room has free Intertubes, both wired and wireless 13:19:33 <jjmcd> There is a really great little greek place at the food court there 13:19:46 <stickster> Sparks: I was waiting to hear what the scope of that discussion would be -- I think that was left dangling when we talked the other day. But yeah, happy to do what I can there. 13:19:49 <Sparks> We just need to figure out the technology now. 13:20:09 <jjmcd> I suspect we will need some hubs, etc. 13:20:14 <Sparks> stickster: Yeah, jjmcd is much better at explaining the "new" topic-focused documents 13:20:19 <Sparks> hubs? 13:20:29 <jjmcd> But then by now prolly everyone has wifi 13:20:45 <Sparks> No hubs... bad jjmcd... we use switches now... :) 13:20:51 <jjmcd> Yeah, I know 13:21:04 <jjmcd> But I still think of switches in racks ;-) 13:21:22 <suehle> The food court at OLF? Oh, in between towards the hotel. The farmer's market stalls a block behind are so much better! 13:21:25 <Sparks> Yes, you can put them in a rack 13:21:59 <jjmcd> suehle, other than the greek place, I didn't notice anything else worthwhile at the food court 13:22:28 <Sparks> #action Sparks to send a message to the Docs list regarding food for FAD@OLF 13:22:31 <jjmcd> But I like my spinakopita 13:22:55 <jjmcd> excellent 13:23:01 <jjmcd> Anything else for OLF? 13:23:01 <Sparks> #action Sparks to ask jsmith-away about specifics of telephony for FAD@OLF 13:23:20 <Sparks> We have telephony but jsmith-away is the one with the specifics 13:23:42 <jjmcd> We need to get him to more of these meetings 13:23:54 <jjmcd> But then, he has a day job 13:24:01 <Sparks> jjmcd: No excuses... he should be awake! 13:24:23 <jjmcd> We're gonna have a pretty good size crew there 13:24:27 * rbergeron pops in 13:24:56 <jjmcd> Robyn, perhaps at OLF we need to have a "frank and lively" discussion ;-) 13:25:07 <rbergeron> orly, why is that? :) 13:25:27 <jjmcd> Just me bitching about the schedule 13:25:29 <rbergeron> oh 13:25:35 <Sparks> oh boy 13:25:36 <rbergeron> well. we can hacketh away! 13:25:49 <jjmcd> Yeah, we need to tune that for next time 13:25:59 <jjmcd> ANything else OLF-wise? 13:26:23 <Sparks> NOt from me 13:26:40 <jjmcd> #topic FUDcon Blacksburg 13:26:49 <jjmcd> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012 13:27:00 <jjmcd> Sparks again 13:27:22 <Sparks> What I do this time? 13:27:23 * Southern_Gentlem wakes up 13:27:46 * Sparks blames it all on Southern_Gentlem 13:28:18 <jjmcd> Well, it seems like you were doing almost all the same things for FUDcon as for OLF. 'cept jsmith-away was doing the pres that Jaromir and I will do at FUDcon EMEA 13:28:41 <Sparks> Not exactly 13:28:56 <Sparks> FAD@OLF is all about kicking some documents out the door for F16... 13:29:07 <Sparks> FUDcon is all about getting new contributors involved. 13:29:26 <Southern_Gentlem> and maybe f17 docs started 13:29:27 <jjmcd> Yeah, I agree with that. 13:30:03 <jjmcd> So we don't really have the same logistics issues with FUDcon if I understand it right 13:30:09 <Sparks> Correct 13:30:36 <jjmcd> It is still a ways away - does anyone have anything RE: FUDcon that we need to deal with? 13:31:22 <Sparks> Not me 13:31:27 <Southern_Gentlem> sign up and book your hotel rooms now 13:32:04 * jjmcd has a bunch of hotel rooms to book 13:32:16 <jjmcd> #topic Docs QA 13:32:23 <jjmcd> Sparks, again 13:32:39 * Sparks really needs to spend some time getting this ready to go 13:33:34 <jjmcd> Do you want to put together something structured to present to the group? 13:33:35 <Sparks> I really don't have anything ready to discuss this... Probably something we should talk about at OLF 13:33:43 <Sparks> Yeah, probably 13:34:14 <jjmcd> OLF is a good idea. Sometimes eyeball toeyeball is helpful 13:34:53 <jjmcd> So we can leave this topid for now? 13:35:00 <jjmcd> topic - sheesh 13:35:13 <Sparks> yes 13:35:30 <jjmcd> #topic Guide Status 13:35:44 <jjmcd> OK, Zach is validating owners 13:36:06 <jjmcd> But the major work starts tomorrow ... does everyone understand what they need to do? 13:36:31 * bcotton nods 13:36:43 * jjmcd should be around a lot this week if anyone needs help 13:37:00 * Sparks won't be ready to release anything for trans until after OLF 13:37:06 <jjmcd> zoglesby_afk found my youtube on setting up a VM helpful 13:37:25 <jjmcd> Sparks, well, we're not scheduled to until pretty close to OLF 13:37:55 <Sparks> correct 13:38:44 <jjmcd> But we mentioned earlier, owners should get alpha working on a stick, VM, LiveCD, wahtever and begin looking for issues 13:40:15 <jjmcd> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 13:40:26 <jjmcd> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 13:40:47 <jjmcd> I see we have 143 outstanding ... seems like that number is growing 13:42:24 <jjmcd> I have a few I could prolly kill ... nathant took care of a couple for me 13:42:45 <jjmcd> #topic Open floor discussion 13:43:06 <jjmcd> OK, so, does anyone have anything else for the good of this august body? 13:43:18 <Sparks> Not me 13:43:42 <pkovar> wrt unpublished translations for f15... 13:43:57 <jjmcd> yes? 13:44:23 <pkovar> after a discussion with nathant, i'll probably go through some of the guides and try to publish them 13:44:34 <jjmcd> Excellent 13:44:36 <pkovar> i mean the translation 13:44:44 <jjmcd> I know there are a few translations out there 13:45:12 <pkovar> yes, looking at e.g. spanish, they seem to have done a lot of work on the guides actually 13:45:29 <jjmcd> I've been struggling with tx so nathant took care of release notes, but it would be good to get the translators' work out there 13:45:38 <jjmcd> for the guides 13:45:53 <jjmcd> seems like a lot of guide owners have gone missing 13:46:03 <pkovar> right, it'd be a pity to let it rot in transifex 13:46:11 <jjmcd> yep, I agree 13:46:28 <pkovar> there is now this excellent page by nathant: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Setting_up_a_document_with_Transifex 13:46:46 <jjmcd> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Setting_up_a_document_with_Transifex 13:46:50 <pkovar> so this procedure is finally documented 13:46:56 <jjmcd> Excellent 13:47:05 <pkovar> thanks nathant! 13:47:14 <Sparks> This is another reason for taking the publishing portion of translations away from the guide owners and putting that responsbility with the translators 13:47:33 <jjmcd> And it is worth mentioning, even if you have already branched, there is no problem with publishing translations for earlier branches 13:47:41 <jjmcd> One of the joys of git 13:48:06 <jjmcd> Sparks, you have a really good point there 13:48:22 <jjmcd> If we can get the build system set up, that would be a more approachable goal 13:48:50 <jjmcd> #info Excellent instructions on publishing translations from nathant 13:49:23 <pkovar> ba 13:49:50 <pkovar> sorry, have you talked to fedora translators about changing the worflow wrt translations publishing? 13:50:35 <jjmcd> pkovar, I don't know that anyone has, but it seems to me fairly complex unless we can significantly automate it 13:51:05 <pkovar> right 13:51:12 <jjmcd> I think it better to approach that after we make it a pushbutton affair 13:52:09 <jjmcd> Anything else? 13:52:22 <Sparks> Not from me 13:53:02 <jjmcd> eslobodo, you've been pretty quiet! Anything? 13:54:04 <jjmcd> OK, do we have a motion to adjourn? 13:54:05 <eslobodo> jjmcd: I pushed today the Printer Configuration chapter for F15 DG 13:54:11 <jjmcd> Excellent 13:55:21 * bcotton moves to adjourn 13:55:38 <jjmcd> any objections? 13:56:36 <jjmcd> OK then 13:56:42 <jjmcd> Thanks everyone 13:56:47 <jjmcd> #endmeeting