20:16:01 #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-08-24 20:16:01 Meeting started Wed Aug 24 20:16:01 2011 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:16:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:16:16 #meetingname EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-08-24 20:16:16 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_meeting_2011-08-24' 20:17:37 ping biertie, gnokii, kital, killefiz, ambassadors meeting 20:17:50 seems like not many people are around 20:18:19 * cwickert tries to ping more people in other channels 20:18:23 ;-) 20:18:34 ponng 20:19:10 Sorry guys 20:19:15 .fas gentt 20:19:16 gentt: gent 'Gent Thaçi' 20:20:05 #topic role call 20:20:10 .fas cwickert 20:20:10 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 20:20:25 .fas ib54003 20:20:25 ib54003: ib54003 'Benedikt Schäfer' 20:20:36 .fas gnokii 20:20:37 gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 20:20:54 ok, at least four people 20:21:09 has my reminder come through on ambassadors-list? 20:21:35 I mean, I did send it, but I cannot find it anywhere 20:21:37 cwickert, yep 20:21:48 ok, thanks for the confirmation 20:21:54 It came with a wrong copy pasted date 20:21:54 gentt: the shirts have arrived, right? 20:22:10 cwickert, yep, they did. they are sitting on my right secured! Thanks a lot 20:22:23 ok, you are welcome 20:22:31 yes was there but wrong date 20:22:47 as we are only a few people I'd like to make this a less formal meeting 20:22:55 no need for meeting protocol today 20:23:08 hi der-flo, hi hannes| 20:23:13 hi 20:23:21 hi cwickert 20:23:22 are you joining us for the ambassadors meeting? 20:23:47 do both of you already have a fas account? I think hannes| has one 20:23:47 just out of curiousity 20:23:48 yes, if there is no problem 20:23:55 der-flo: sure 20:24:03 yes i've got one 20:24:09 me too, just hannes 20:24:58 der-flo: what is it? 20:25:02 just flo 20:25:07 .fas flo 20:25:08 cwickert: jflorian4dart 'John Florian' - blackpaw 'Brendan Compton' - fmasuth 'Florian Masuth' - frixxon 'Paul Flo Williams' - florian2603 'Florian Boehm' - flok 'Folkert van Heusden' - free42s172e 'John Flower' - fmuellner 'Florian Müllner' (3 more messages) 20:25:17 .fas hannes 20:25:18 cwickert: johannes 'Johannes Krackowizer' - hannes '' - jhs 'Johannes Schmid' - jigmantao 'Johannes Scholten' - jreykdal 'Jóhannes Reykdal' - behle 'Johannes Tasch' 20:25:37 maybe the two of you should have choosen something more uniq? ;) 20:26:17 #topic annoncements 20:26:44 they should put their irc nick names on their fas account for identifying here! 20:27:21 info: I'd like to remind everybody of our event reporting guidelines. If you received sponsoring, please write an event report as outlined in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Event_reports 20:27:32 anyone more announcements? 20:27:42 ? 20:27:48 go ahead gentt 20:27:56 Our media got stuck in the customs 20:28:02 and they are asking 150 eur 20:28:04 or more 20:28:14 consider it an announcement! 20:28:16 :) 20:28:27 I don't think so, but anyway... 20:28:35 anyway, sorry 20:28:43 #topic Media Shipping 20:29:06 gentt: did you remind them of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Customs_letter_for_Fedora_media ? 20:29:06 fwiw .fasinfo hannes just offers all things to identify me 20:29:15 hannes|: but too much 20:29:31 cwickert, no 20:29:37 I didn't know that this page existed 20:29:54 gentt: ok, remind them of the letter 20:30:05 the letter is printed out and in the package 20:30:09 cwickert, the letter should be inside the box for sure? 20:30:11 they *must* have seen it 20:30:20 yes 20:30:30 cwickert, I am sure they didn't 20:30:36 Because I was there 3-4 times 20:30:40 and they didn't even care 20:30:46 kital: did you put the customs letter into the package you sent to Kosovo? 20:31:08 gentt: and did you explain them that the media is not for sale? 20:31:10 Because in Kosovo you don't have to pay taxes for Software but they are only looking the value that kital wrote 20:31:21 cwickert, I explained them clearly 20:31:24 what value did kital write? 20:31:33 and also the value is not commercial 20:31:46 I am not sure if kital or dhl wrote it 20:31:54 but it writes 330EUR 20:32:03 on, I mean on the package 20:32:09 cwickert, yep 20:32:09 not what customs wants 20:32:24 the package is said to be worth 330 EUR? 20:32:36 cwickert - i am not really here but yes i put the letter in the box to Kososvo 20:32:48 kital: ok, thanks 20:32:56 cwickert, yep 20:33:21 gentt: and they want 150 EUR or more? this means the taxes are ~50% 20:33:23 this is insane 20:33:29 cwickert, yep 20:33:37 40-50 is for the job that is done 20:33:37 I am pretty sure they are trying to fool you 20:33:53 i mean they are private companies which takes the package from the customs 20:33:59 you have to pay them for the service 20:34:06 then the taxes to the customs 20:34:11 which in total is about 150 euro 20:34:24 kital: one more question: what value was the package declared? 20:34:24 I will try to tell them for this letter 20:35:33 gentt: 330 Media for 15 cents each is 49,50 USD 20:35:39 and this is ~ 35 EUR 20:35:51 they are definitely trying to fool you 20:35:55 cwickert, they are considering the value as 330 euro 20:36:00 which means 1 euro per DVD 20:36:07 tell them you know and you can proof the latter was in the package 20:36:10 or per quantity 20:36:35 cwickert, how do you mean? 20:36:57 tell them you know that the media were declared 0.15 USD each 20:37:13 and that they should be aware of this because of the letter inside the package 20:37:25 cwickert, where can I get a proof especially for our package not the general cost for the media? 20:37:34 cwickert, ok 20:38:03 I could send you the bill for the media 20:38:14 IIRC it was like 3500 EUR for 5000 media 20:38:22 so they are definitely less than 1 EUR 20:38:26 cwickert, scanned will do just fine 20:38:38 cwickert, my math says it so too :) 20:38:39 but this will still be too expensive 20:38:48 just remind them of the letter 20:38:53 cwickert, will do 20:39:11 ok, I think we should finish this now and discuss the rest by mail 20:39:23 cwickert, yes, I think so too 20:39:47 #info: most media have been shipped. if you need some, file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ and assign it to jsimon 20:40:31 #info if you have problems that media are stuck at customs, please contact us and remind the customs people of the customs letter inside the package and at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Customs_letter_for_Fedora_media 20:40:52 #info if you have media, please update the inventory at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/wiki/Inventory 20:41:04 ok, I think this is all for announcements and media shipping 20:41:32 #topic Ambassadors schedule 20:41:38 the schedule can be found at 20:41:42 #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-ambassadors-tasks.html 20:41:48 lets see... 20:42:26 I think we are still save 20:42:37 but we should start planning for F16 swag 20:42:54 #info we need to start planing for swag for F16 20:43:41 #info: FAmSCo will discuss F16 swag and budget this in the first week of September, so we need to come up with something 20:44:08 #info if you have ideas for swag, please suggest them on the ambassadors mailing list 20:44:49 rbergeron: I think the schedule does not work 20:45:38 on september 1st we are to call for preperation of swag and not even one week later we need to come up with funding requests 20:45:46 this is too tight 20:46:09 anyone got ideas for swag? 20:46:36 ok, just suggest it on the mailing list 20:46:51 #topic Events 20:47:02 last weekend there was FrOSCon 20:47:08 and we held a FAD there 20:47:09 cwickert: how so? 20:47:14 der-flo: was with us 20:47:26 rbergeron: scroll up. one week is not enough 20:48:00 ah 20:48:33 cwickert: action me to go take suggestions to famsco, or to take suggestions back to you, in the minutes, and I'll take a look at it. 20:48:39 and follow up with figuring out what works better 20:49:28 rbergeron: famsco meets on saturdays, so if they are supposed to come up with something by September 8th, they must discuss it on the 3rd 20:49:59 rbergeron: this means we have 2 days for everything from the call over discussions and decisions until the final quotes 20:50:46 anyway, lets move on with events 20:51:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q2 20:51:40 not much events coming up 20:52:10 we have one event in France next week and in 3 weeks there is software freedom days 20:52:28 #info if you hold en event for Software Freedom Day, please add it to the wiki 20:52:42 I am sure there are way more events than just one at Hamburg 20:53:06 and then there is the FUDCon at the end of september 20:53:34 to be honest I am very worried about it 20:53:41 does anybody know the status? 20:53:55 gentt: you will go there, right? 20:54:10 okay 20:54:55 gentt is going, yes. 20:55:16 do we know anything about accommodation? 20:56:11 yes cwickert 20:56:24 rbergeron, also allowed by the parents :D 20:56:35 ok, where will you sleep? 20:56:45 cwickert, I have no idea really 20:56:54 you see, this is what troubles me 20:56:58 jsmith, said that they will book a room in the "conferences hotel" 20:57:09 the hotel where most of fedorians will sleep 20:57:10 nobody has an idea it seems 20:57:21 I'm here too now 20:57:39 jsmith: ping. what about accommodation for fudcon milan? 20:58:04 probably the Hotel Perugino 20:58:13 ? 20:58:28 I asked jsmith for official confirmation because I will need to attach it will other visa documents 20:58:35 cwickert, from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Milan_2011#Lodging 20:58:40 Is the cheapest one 20:58:49 and the nearest from the venue 20:58:51 I know 20:58:57 but this is not how it works 20:59:10 I mean, we cannot just say we go into this or that hotel 20:59:10 cwickert, I know 20:59:28 Because I am not in the condition to choose 20:59:30 we neet the event owners to book rooms so we are actually together and get beeter prices 20:59:32 I could sleep anywhere 20:59:57 But I think and I want to be in a place with the rest of Fedorians 20:59:59 to be hones this really sucks. I am disappointed by the Italian community 21:00:06 gentt: exactly 21:00:08 I may also need shuttle of company from Airport 21:00:22 not only you... 21:00:37 cwickert, I remember a lot of emails from Italians promising! 21:00:41 Where are they now? 21:00:43 :( 21:01:11 yes, one of the main reasons Milan got the FUDCon was that we have a lot of Italian ambassadors 21:01:18 but they seem to have disappeared 21:01:26 really frustrating 21:01:36 I wanted more to be Ireland because of the Guiness :D 21:01:54 Guinness* 21:01:55 * rbergeron feels the pain as well 21:02:05 I am pretty sure that if Fabian and Gerold organized a FUDCon in Dublin everything would be sorted out already 21:02:18 you can get guinness everywhere. also Duvel ;-) 21:02:20 anyway, not much we can do ATM 21:02:37 biertie: not the real Guiness ;) 21:02:38 anyway, let's talk on how to improve, in stead of how it should have been done :> 21:02:45 biertie, i was going to say that 21:02:49 "not the real one" 21:03:05 biertie: so how can we improve? I am open to suggestions 21:03:14 I organized 2 events this year already 21:03:33 (and yes, I did book hotel rooms for everybody) 21:03:42 biertie, consider that you are based in Belgium, cwickert in Germany 21:03:43 I haven't really followed everything 21:03:53 so not sure where the things are stuck now 21:03:56 How you are going to organize the event from such a far place 21:04:03 without any local help contact 21:04:26 biertie: the problem is: you don't even get an answer when you ask where the process is stuck 21:04:33 I still have to buy tickets and book hotel -> now I'm in doubt if I should come 21:04:50 its only a single person from the Italians who actually does something 21:04:59 and this person is busy with his dayjob 21:05:17 who is that person? 21:05:25 fcrippa 21:05:34 is there a way to give the Italian orga a deadline? 21:05:50 der-flo: and what is the alternative? 21:05:55 no fudcon? 21:06:17 even if it sounds hard, stay away 21:07:07 ah - I can imagine he is busy with his day job 21:07:28 der-flo: a lot of people already have bought tickets I suppose 21:07:34 so it's too late stop the event 21:07:45 yeah, but I am not sure if I will come 21:07:51 cwickert: does that kind of discussion right now changing something on the status? 21:07:53 I haven't booked anything yet 21:07:57 * gentt too 21:07:58 biertie: that's the problem 21:08:12 basically kital bought it, i got sponsored 21:08:19 gnokii: not really, we need to bring this up on fudcon planning 21:08:24 I don't think if you bought the ticket online, you can cancel them 21:08:30 so, lets move on, there is nothing we can do here 21:08:33 okay, so let's do this: what do we need to know in the next week to make sure everyone is comfortable coming - figure that list out, and get it to fudcon-planning. 21:08:44 Or alternatley, voice your concerns. 21:08:51 i know i'm more than a bit nervous. 21:08:54 so then that should be the decission then and then move forward 21:09:33 rbergeron: we need the event owners to have booked a lot of rooms in a hotel and let us know if we can sleep there or not 21:09:41 somebody needs to track the bookings 21:10:04 yup. apparently there is a block of rooms, and some of them are allocated to people who have their rooms sponsored, but there is no way to confirm that. 21:10:17 or is ther ea way to people who are paying their own rooms to know which rooms they are to sleep in. 21:10:26 cwickert, they already booked a ton of rooms for most of us 21:10:29 rbergeron: but in which hotel? 21:10:33 afaik that what jsmith told me 21:10:48 then we need this info in the wiki 21:10:48 I don't know the hotels name 21:10:59 and we need to have confirmations 21:11:07 and info on how much beds are still left 21:11:13 of a deadline to apply for beds 21:12:00 rbergeron: basically I want to have something like: if you apply until... you are save and can sleep at..., after the deadline you need to take care of your own 21:12:04 * rbergeron is putting this all into a mail 21:12:11 ok, thanks rbergeron 21:12:22 lets move on 21:12:24 np, sorry it's not more apparent 21:12:57 #topic Action items from previous meetings 21:13:05 AFAIK there are no action items left 21:13:18 yup, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-08-10 says there are none 21:13:45 #action rbergeron to nag the fudcon-planning team about accommodation and put the info on the wiki 21:13:49 anything else? 21:14:16 waking up the italian team 21:14:37 yeah, rbergeron will send the mafia over to them one by one 21:14:44 cwickert, :D 21:14:47 #topic Open Floor 21:15:03 so, anything else that worries you? are you all fine? 21:15:28 cwickert, mind checking the dhl paper I got for the media package to clear things out! http://gent.fedorapeople.org/dhl.jpg 21:16:24 gentt: yes, I have seen it 21:16:31 cwickert, good, thanks 21:16:35 anyway, lets figure that out by mail as kital is not here 21:16:48 cwickert, yes, sure 21:17:02 I will try to go again at the customs this Friday 21:17:09 because I can't tomorrow 21:18:15 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if nothing comes up 21:21:15 9 21:21:16 8 21:21:18 :D 21:21:49 #endmeeting