13:13:03 <igorps> #startmeeting famsco
13:13:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Sep  3 13:13:03 2011 UTC.  The chair is igorps. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:13:25 <igorps> #chair yn1v, gbraad, K410
13:13:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: K410 gbraad igorps yn1v
13:13:55 <igorps> #topic Updates
13:14:14 <igorps> I will follow our agenda
13:14:23 <igorps> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
13:15:07 <igorps> gbraad, anything new about the subdomain process request?
13:15:29 <gbraad> no, currently have no time to deal with this. considers to drop the request
13:16:45 <igorps> I'm not quite aware of the process for request a subdomain
13:17:02 <gbraad> ticket needs to be filed for board review.
13:17:04 <igorps> Is it defined somewhere on the wiki?
13:17:18 <gbraad> board decides if domain can be granted during board meeting
13:17:37 <gbraad> however, this is more closely related to mabassador activities and community building
13:18:03 <gbraad> it is on a wiki, but can't search for it at the moment
13:19:09 <igorps> Ok, no problem. Just to make sure it is documented.
13:20:16 <igorps> Meanwhile we need to help who wants to get a domain
13:20:50 <igorps> anything else on that?
13:21:30 <yn1v> not from me
13:21:57 <igorps> let's move to the next topic
13:22:26 <igorps> I have been working on the liaisons page:
13:22:29 <gbraad> Well, the Chinese domain has never been granted
13:22:40 <gbraad> the request has been outstanding since last year September
13:22:50 <K410> ++
13:22:51 <igorps> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassador_liaisons
13:23:08 <igorps> gbraad, any specific reason?
13:23:48 <gbraad> Not that I know of
13:25:05 <igorps> gbraad, could you or K410 send an email to the advisory-list about that?
13:25:25 <gbraad> would like K410 to do this
13:25:48 <K410> Tell me whole details I will send afyer meeting.
13:25:57 <gbraad> Ok
13:26:48 <igorps> #action K410 to send an email to the board list about the Chinese domain
13:27:12 <igorps> it's a good a idea to add a link to the ticket on the email
13:27:47 <igorps> ok, moving on
13:28:23 <igorps> The July report was published and I will start working on the august one
13:28:31 <igorps> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-07
13:29:23 <igorps> There is a request from Nushio to become a mentor for LATAM
13:29:43 <igorps> yn1v, this has been waiting for a while
13:30:02 <igorps> it's time for us to make a decision on that
13:31:29 <gbraad> would like to know more about the need of this. appointing mentors needs to be justified.
13:31:58 <igorps> I already posted my opinion about that on the mailing list. I think that Nushio will be valuable as a mentor, due to his experience inside Fedora and due to the particular position of Mexico in LATAM
13:32:12 <gbraad> as you remember this has been a heated debate on the ambassador list before
13:32:41 <igorps> We had an issue with a Mexican ambassador a few months back
13:33:18 <igorps> about some post that made it to the planet
13:33:20 <gbraad> what you mean with 'issue'
13:34:36 <igorps> he posted some stuff on the planet that were not according to Fedora trademark use recommendations
13:34:57 <igorps> and he was put back on mentoring
13:35:03 <gbraad> you mean the appointment of a Mentor in Mexico could have prevented this?
13:36:05 <gbraad> do the other mentors have too much at hand? Just want a justification first (sorry for being a PITA)
13:36:19 <igorps> At least we could deal with it better
13:36:38 <gbraad> how many mentors take care of LATAM?
13:36:54 <igorps> with a person who really knows how to deal with local culture
13:37:14 <gbraad> the cultural aspect I can understand.
13:37:37 <K410> This raise similar problem in Bangladesh.
13:37:40 <igorps> big part of the problem was how the ambassador reacted, not what he did itself
13:38:11 <igorps> gbraad: 3 mentors
13:38:34 <K410> I am too far to their culture for me to resolve with less impact.
13:38:35 <gbraad> igorps: I do not want to blame anyone, but was the previous mentor not aware of some cultural differences?
13:39:04 <gbraad> K410: refering to Mexico or Bangladesh case?
13:39:41 <K410> For me, Bangladesh. So I understand how hassle in Mexico.
13:39:50 <gbraad> cultural issues can always remain, even within a country itself. exact match is impossible. mostly it also boils down to the personality of the application
13:39:54 <yn1v> Manuel Escudero has a lot of potential as an ambassador, but he has not make strong bound with LATAM ambassadors.
13:40:15 <K410> An
13:40:24 <K410> Anywa
13:40:38 <yn1v> I think that when he was pointed to Nushio, he found a better match
13:40:40 <K410> Anyways, back to Mexico context.
13:40:44 <gbraad> the appointment of the new mentor would not help with this as he is already being mentored again?
13:41:06 <gbraad> of is the applicant still waiting?
13:41:10 <gbraad> s/of/or
13:41:59 <yn1v> I am looking at fama
13:43:49 <gbraad> igorps dropped :-s
13:44:03 <yn1v> Ticket #918 is open since april
13:44:10 <gbraad> yn1v: ouch?!
13:45:45 <yn1v> he had two other tickes in the past #756 and #656
13:45:50 <gbraad> I would still hope we would have more members online for this meeting to make a decision
13:46:14 <gbraad> at the moment liknus and mether are not able to make a decision
13:47:09 <yn1v> He picked first ke4qqq as mentor. aparently he did not follow the process on april 2010
13:47:56 <yn1v> he applied right away and there was no mentor assigned.
13:48:19 <gbraad> ok. would be helpful to let someone of the LATAM mentors assist him, but would you mind to postpone assignment of a new mentor for this meeting?
13:49:05 <LoKoMurdoK> morning
13:49:47 <gbraad> K410: yn1v
13:50:10 <gbraad> ok, moving on for now. sorry.
13:50:18 <yn1v> Last ticket is confused, he was approved and then back on mentoring
13:50:34 <gbraad> if igorps returns we discuss this further
13:50:43 <K410> K
13:51:30 <yn1v> I like Nushio very much. I think that he is a fit candidate for mentor. But I think that the specific situation is more problem of Escudero getting to play a team member than a mentoring issue
13:51:45 <gbraad> yn1v: I also think so.
13:51:57 <gbraad> yn1v: please keep an eye on this matter
13:52:37 <gbraad> #action igorps moves dicussion about new LATAM mentor to next meeting
13:54:14 <gbraad> lets move to yn1v's topics
13:54:16 <yn1v> Again, Escudero has been producing a lot of tutorials with videos for fedora... it is amazing how much time he devotes.
13:55:22 <yn1v> I haven't done more work with survey data. I will look into that this weekend
13:55:50 <yn1v> apart from that I have a couple of budget tickets
13:56:10 <yn1v> but not sure If we wait until the end of the meeting for budget?
13:56:19 <gbraad> ok, anything else on your items or to add?
13:57:00 <yn1v> not at this moment
13:57:09 <gbraad> ok, K410
13:57:16 <gbraad> you have anything to mention?
13:58:19 <gbraad> ok, nothing. moving on
13:59:00 <gbraad> #topic Regional report
14:00:04 <gbraad> APAC: reimbursement for local shirts was dealt with. https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/211
14:00:25 <gbraad> some 'complexities' have been observed and report of these have been given.
14:01:06 <gbraad> we will post these on the wiki for others
14:03:28 <gbraad> anyone else?
14:03:38 <gbraad> if not, I will end the meeting soon
14:04:26 <yn1v> I have a request for medias from argentina, that has to be approved and executed by monday
14:05:28 <gbraad> yn1v: ticket and budget?
14:05:35 <yn1v> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/215
14:06:27 <yn1v> The request is for 200 Live CD, they have found a very cheap store that will charge them about USD 95
14:07:26 <gbraad> I see.
14:07:33 <gbraad> no need for approval.
14:07:50 <gbraad> this should be dealt with locally (you have the cards for this?)
14:07:58 <yn1v> yes
14:08:26 <yn1v> but I feel better having some one else check upon
14:09:13 <gbraad> ok, I just looked at it. no receipt, so asking for prepayment?
14:09:55 <yn1v> yes, I will prepaid, and Matias <delete> will pick up when is ready
14:10:40 <gbraad> ok. I do not see an issue
14:10:45 <yn1v> #action yn1v to execute ticket 215 with community credit card
14:11:14 <yn1v> The other ticket that I have is mine.
14:11:23 <yn1v> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/214
14:11:54 <yn1v> and as I am opening the ticket I like to have some one else to validate.
14:12:04 <gbraad> gnome-shell just crashed
14:12:57 <yn1v> as I can not reimburse my self, I have to pay directly... and looking for stores that process credit card has makes media prices go higher
14:12:59 <gbraad> yn1v: I see no issues, but make sure you handle this with igorps
14:15:53 <gbraad> anything else?
14:15:54 <yn1v> okey... no more items from me
14:15:59 <gbraad> ending the meeting soon
14:16:17 <kaio> no from me
14:17:20 <gbraad> thank you for attending
14:17:36 <gbraad> #endmeeting