20:02:06 #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-09-07 20:02:06 Meeting started Wed Sep 7 20:02:06 2011 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:16 #meetingname EMEA ambassadors meeting 20:02:16 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_meeting' 20:03:26 I suggest to wait a few minutes until people show up 20:03:40 Sure... you wanna do a roll call? 20:03:54 im here 20:04:01 i'm here 20:04:02 i am here too 20:04:17 count me too 20:04:17 I'm here :) 20:05:25 #topic role call 20:05:29 .fas cwickert 20:05:30 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 20:05:39 .fas arthurbuliva 20:05:39 arthurbuliva: arthurbuliva 'Arthur Buliva' 20:05:46 is that a quorum? ;-) 20:05:52 .fas gnokii 20:05:53 gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 20:05:58 .fas eischmann 20:06:00 .fas ardian 20:06:01 sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' 20:06:05 ardian: dwreski 'Dave Wreski' - ardian 'Ardian Haxha' - dansguardian 'Dansguardian' 20:06:13 .fas kanarip 20:06:13 kanarip: kanarip 'Jeroen van Meeuwen' 20:06:28 .fasinfo kanarip 20:06:30 cwickert: User: kanarip, Name: Jeroen van Meeuwen, email: kanarip@kanarip.com, Creation: 2006-05-29, IRC Nick: kanarip, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 9342BF08, Status: active 20:06:35 cwickert: Unapproved Groups: gitcobbler 20:06:39 cwickert: Approved Groups: cla_fpca +fedora-uk fedorabugs cla_fedora cla_done @gitspin-kickstarts gitcsi packager docs ambassadors @gitrevisor gitwevisor @gitpyjigdo sysadmin cvsl10n @gitcourses gitgenome provenpackager @gitsimon gitlivecd @gitlogrotate-syslog gitpublican-genome irc-support-operators @fedora-emea-board gitfedora-devshell @sysadmin-spin gitreflector 20:06:48 dude... 20:06:56 kanarip: you are no ambassador :P 20:07:00 .fas dbouida 20:07:01 dbouida: dbouida 'Bouida Djelloul' 20:07:19 kanarip: but you are invited to join us nevertheless 20:07:33 .fas jsmith 20:07:34 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' 20:07:36 cwickert, what the fuck? 20:07:50 no, allow me to rephrase... 20:07:51 i have a new mail bouida4@gmail.com 20:08:05 jsmith, what the fuck? 20:08:06 .fas gentt 20:08:06 gentt: gent 'Gent Thaçi' 20:08:32 ok, it seems we are quite a lot of people today 20:08:50 unfortunately I did not find the time to create the wiki page for today's meeting 20:08:58 so we just stick with the previous one 20:08:59 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-08-24 20:09:08 cwickert, I clearly recognize 'ambassadorsm 20:09:37 as we are a lot of people today, I'd like us to follow the meeting protocol 20:09:48 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol 20:09:53 #topic Announcements 20:09:57 any announcements? 20:10:27 doesn't seem like it 20:10:28 uch, 'ambassadors' in the list of groups I'm a member of 20:10:38 * jsmith has an announcement 20:10:47 kanarip: you are correct, I'm sorry 20:11:05 jsmith: events are on the agenda later if this is what you meant 20:11:09 ... ;-) 20:11:11 Ah, yes... sorry 20:11:28 #topic Status of the F16 media shipping 20:11:37 It seems all media have been shipped 20:11:49 even gentt and ardian received theirs 20:11:50 jsmith, I withdraw my cwickert-error-based art 20:11:57 yep, finally ours too, just scanned the invoices 20:12:03 Whee! 20:12:07 s/art/wtf/ 20:12:09 I'm glad we got it all worked out 20:12:13 guys, meeting protocol? 20:12:32 thanks 20:12:51 #info so if you need media, there is only a few left, file a ticket ASAP 20:12:58 ! 20:13:11 #info if you received media, please make sure it is in the inventory in the swag tracker 20:13:16 arthurbuliva: go ahead 20:13:57 cwickert I believe you mean F15 media shipping and not F16, right? 20:14:25 arthurbuliva: sorry, yes 20:14:32 we'll talk about F16 media in a moment 20:14:36 ok. eof 20:14:43 ! 20:15:01 sesivany: yes please 20:15:36 I was asked by local non-profit organization if we could give them media for their event. 20:16:07 it's educational, for secondary schools, advantages of FLOSS etc. 20:16:22 I think this depends on a lot of factors: what kind of NPO, what kind of event etc 20:16:33 they wanna give distribution media away to students. 20:16:35 and last but not least if you have enough media to share them 20:16:52 I'm able to give them about 20, that's it. 20:17:03 but how mich did they ask for? 20:17:44 they were given 150 by Canonical, but I think that's too much for us. 20:18:10 I'm just mentioning it as an option if we have any left. 20:18:10 we cannot and we don't want to compete with Canonical when it comes to giving free media away 20:18:22 understood 20:18:24 you need to ask kital, please file a ticket 20:18:30 ok 20:18:35 eof 20:18:40 IHMO we should spend our media wisely, this means, the most important question you have to ask yourself is: 20:18:55 how likely is it, that these people become Fedora users and contributors? 20:19:18 where contributors not only means packagers or ambassadadors 20:19:32 but also the wider community, say helping out in forums and on mailing lists 20:20:16 sesivany: I know we have talked about this already, when you said you give media to RH employees and they give it to their family 20:20:29 it is nice for them to show their familiy what they are working on 20:20:41 but will their wives and children become contributors? 20:21:04 so, all I want to say is spend the media wisely 20:21:16 and this leads us already to the next thing to discuss 20:21:20 I understand, I didn't use may of them for this. 20:21:23 the ambassadors schedule 20:21:29 sesivany: no problem 20:22:01 #topic Ambassadors Schedule 20:22:13 the schedule can be found at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-ambassadors-tasks.html 20:22:19 and we need to start doing something 20:22:31 there is two things we need to do this week 20:22:50 Regional Team Meetings and Select POC for Swag/Media production 20:22:51 and 20:22:55 Regional Teams Submit Funding Request For Swag/Media Production 20:23:19 so, lets talk about the F16 media now 20:23:33 I think we should do *less* media than in the F15 cycle 20:23:56 we had 5000 and spend a lot of money on them 20:24:15 we need to cut costs, it was really much in our budget 20:24:19 s/need/should 20:24:38 I will prepare quotes and file a ticket for the budget 20:24:52 but first I want to hear your opinions on the number of media 20:24:56 ! 20:25:02 yes please sesivany 20:25:23 ! 20:25:32 how much is apprx. 1 media? we might want to make some on our cost here in Brno, for our use. 20:26:04 * cwickert diggs 20:26:51 the F15 quote is at http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/media/quote-f15.pdf 20:27:09 we got 440 this cycle and it's not definitely enough regarding how many events we attend and organize, so I may ask my manager to fund some more. 20:27:24 we went for option 3, that was 500 medua 20:27:26 media 20:27:43 and the price was 2970 plus some extra for the artwork 20:28:22 I think it was like 250 on top of that for artwork and shipping 20:28:24 plus taxes 20:28:43 for 6000? 20:28:53 items 20:28:53 for 5000 20:29:01 ok, thanks. eof 20:29:08 this comes out at roughy 3830 EUR 20:29:27 I haven't seen the final invoice, I think kital has one and Red Hat Munich 20:30:12 arthurbuliva: your turn 20:30:42 I won't talk about the numbers but my experience in the ratio of the disks 20:31:17 from the media i received, there were approx 150 multi-desktop live to 50 install dvds 20:32:09 the dvds were more in demand since, due to high internet rates, many people want an all-in-one disk that they dont have to later rely on yum to bring to speed 20:32:32 so i was just wondering how this can be factored in in the future 20:32:37 eof 20:33:19 we had 3000 Multi Desktop DVDs and 2000 Install, 1000 32 and 64 bit each 20:33:40 Kital told me that most people wanted the Multi Desktop DVD 20:33:52 and we only have install DVDs left 20:34:10 so we might need to so more Multi Desktop or less installers if we want to change the ratio 20:34:28 the problem is that everything below 1000 per DVD is expensive 20:34:37 because the artwork is produced for 1000 each 20:34:44 ? 20:34:45 makes sense? 20:34:51 arthurbuliva: yes please 20:35:07 we want more multidesktop, so you can send us less install ones and give more to arthurbuliva :) 20:36:05 When you say that the live are more in demand, is this a general overview? Because I am specifically speaking for the East Africa region and what I have observed 20:36:11 eof 20:36:31 arthurbuliva: yes, this is why kital only has install media left 20:36:43 sesivany: the problem is that we need the traditional install media as fallback for people who cannot to Dual Layer 20:36:43 ok 20:37:00 btw: did you receive reports about the DL not booting? 20:37:34 No one has complained. The hardware in use is pretty up-to-date I guess 20:37:41 no one complained to me so far. 20:37:45 I heard a lot of complainants that it is just very sloooooow for a live media. DVDs and especially DL DVD might not be the best idea for live systems 20:38:09 we might think of doing more USB keys instead. SUSE really had nice ones 20:38:21 but it depends on the price, we need to find a good vendor 20:38:24 ~ 20:38:32 jsmith: yes please 20:38:33 ! (oops, hit the wrong key) 20:38:39 The initial boot is slow. right before the menus are displayed. but after that its ok 20:38:47 eof 20:38:56 Just wanted to add that I have heard absolutely no complaints about the multi-image media. 20:39:09 cwickert: the usb sticks was only a stopgap 20:39:17 eof 20:39:34 ok, thanks for the feedback 20:39:38 ! 20:39:40 gnokii: what do you mean? 20:39:46 first gnokii, then sesivany 20:40:09 cwickert: that usb sticks u meant on DesktopSummit was only for the summit because openSUSE has no media since LinuxTag 20:40:19 gnokii: ok, I see 20:40:24 sesivany: your turn 20:40:36 we've had Red Hat/Fedora USB sticks, so there must be someone in Red Hat who already has a vendor. 20:40:49 ! 20:40:52 sesivany: can you find out who produced them? 20:41:06 I'll try, eof 20:41:25 #action sesivany to find out who did the RH USB keys 20:41:37 #action cwickert to prepare quotes for F16 media until next week 20:41:42 jsmith: your time 20:41:44 I produced the last batch of USB keys we used for the Red Hat summit earlier this year... the vendor was a bit flakey, but the price was right :-) 20:42:12 jsmith: any numbers, at least roughly? 20:42:19 Approximately $8 for a 2-gig USB key in bulk, with the fedora logo screen-printed 20:42:57 hi 20:43:17 jsmith: ok, lets keep that in mind 20:44:02 so, I don't think we can vote about the actual number of media and the ratio, I will just get the company to give us quotes until next week 20:44:29 and I will place a PO for 5k USD in the meantime, this should be enough even if we do more media 20:44:43 #action cwickert to file a ticket for media budget 20:45:22 #info we will discuss the F16 media order in two weeks from now. please join us in the 2011-09-21 meeting 20:45:30 anything more on media? 20:45:46 or any other swag? 20:46:29 ah, one more thing on media 20:46:41 it seems that the Greek ambassadors have ordered 990 media 20:46:47 but not yet used any of them 20:46:55 ? 20:47:01 cwickert: is ther F15 media available? 20:47:15 the wiki lists no events in Greece until F16 is released, either 20:47:30 so again, please spend media wisely and only order what you can distribute 20:48:15 Affix: yes, for months, and if you haven't yet ordered any yet, please do it, we only have a few install DVDs left 20:48:26 Affix: does that answer your question? 20:48:28 cool I will be needing 18 of them 20:48:35 Just away to submit my ticket 20:48:54 for small numbers please contact one of the ambassadors listed at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/wiki/Inventory 20:49:07 ok cwickert thanks 20:49:09 pick the one that is closest to you and has media and assign the ticket to him 20:49:15 arthurbuliva: your turn 20:49:22 Question to all, how do you deal with customs? They seem to disregard the letter in the media package and put exhorbitant price costs. 20:49:40 god question, gentt had problems, too 20:50:07 arthurbuliva: how much did you have to pay? 20:50:30 They wanted me to pay ksh 24,000 (approx $257) 20:50:57 and how much did you have to pay in the end? 20:51:32 Four hours later and all the FOSS ambassador diplomacy I parted with kes 4000 ($40) 20:51:36 we should really prepare for future shipments 20:51:52 lower value 20:52:04 in my case, put a name in the top of the address 20:52:07 etc 20:52:34 arthurbuliva: I think this is something we cannot change, we have this problems in all African countries 20:52:45 otherwise you have to produce media locally 20:53:02 as for gentt it was kital's fault I think 20:53:11 he declared the value of the media to high 20:53:18 For t-shirts and polos I remember talking to you about locally producing them 20:53:27 which is cheaper and faster 20:53:28 but on the other hand it is hard to know all the customs rules for all countries 20:53:47 I dont know about media (yet) but I guess I just have to find out 20:53:48 * gentt just sent the report with the scanned invoices for the f15 customs issue 20:53:49 eof 20:53:50 so please try to help the person who ships media 20:53:58 arthurbuliva: yes, please do 20:54:00 we paid 131.00 eur in total for our package 20:54:19 #action arthurbuliva to figure out if media can be produced in Africa cheaper 20:54:36 cwickert, i was amazed when i saw you guys read our regulation, is so pity for what a country we have 20:55:24 * shaiton is late, sorry guys 20:55:25 #info if you file a ticket for media shipping, please help us by looking for the customs regulations of your country and provide the info in the ticket 20:55:31 Theres a place in the UK that do polo shirts for £3.72 for high volume orders 20:55:36 ok, I think this is all we can do 20:55:58 Affix: different, topic, lets do one after the other and follow the meeting protocol 20:56:05 ahh sorry 20:56:44 #info if you want other swag produced, please make suggestions ASAP so we can file budget requests 20:56:55 anything more on Ambassadors schedule? 20:57:08 rbergeron: what about the adjustments to the schedule we spoke about 20:57:28 cwickert: I suck :) 20:57:52 * rbergeron will pull the logs and do it - I am doing other surgery this week as well on the schedule 20:57:56 my apologies 20:57:56 rbergeron: well, there is not much you can do, it also depends on FAmSCo 20:58:20 igorps: do you have an idea about the status of the schedule from the FAmSCo side? 20:59:06 cwickert: just an update that stabbymc has the stickers for emea, and jsmith will be bringing them over when he comes to fudcon. 5k of them. 20:59:42 #action rbergeron to adjust the Ambassadors schedule: "Regional Team Meetings and Select POC for Swag/Media production" and "Regional Teams Submit Funding Request For Swag/Media Production" are too scheduled tight. Extent to at least two weeks please 20:59:54 thanks for the info rbergeron 21:00:02 I think this is all on schedule 21:00:05 #topic events 21:00:12 #undo 21:00:12 Removing item from minutes: 21:00:15 #topic Events 21:00:21 ! 21:00:33 jsmith wants to give us an update on FUDCon planning 21:00:39 but first dbouida please 21:01:04 The First Software Freedom Day 2011 in algeria will be held on November, 26 at Medea University Algria 21:01:22 dbouida: were you the one who filed the ticket for polos and media? 21:02:21 shaiton will send me the media 21:02:55 because my mentoring process is in progress , i can't acees the ticket system 21:03:13 ok, I see 21:03:18 cwickert, Pierros was willing to meet with rbergeron about the schedule but that got stalled due to his duties 21:03:34 The First Fedora day in algeria also will be held on October 21:04:26 dbouida: can you add it to the wiki please? please make a wiki page and then link it from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SoftwareFreedomDay and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events 21:04:26 eof 21:04:46 ok 21:04:54 thanks 21:04:55 #action dbouida to add the Algerian SFT to the wiki 21:05:30 igorps: and did FAmSCo do their part of the schedule? the schedule is not perfect but until we have an improved version, we need to stick to it 21:06:22 igorps: there is two items: "FAmSCo and Regional teams call for Preparation of Media/SWAG" and "FAmSCo heads Ambassador Wide Meetings Preparing For Fedora 16" - AFAICS none of them happened 21:06:31 but the latter one still has one day left ;) 21:06:49 so when FAmSCo meets again, please take care of this 21:07:05 igorps: and please take care of the tickets I filed 21:07:20 jsmith: are you still there? update on FUDCon? 21:07:29 * jsmith is still here! 21:07:35 OK, quick FUDCon status update 21:07:44 First of all, the hotel in Milan is filling up quickly 21:07:54 I was able to get another ten rooms, but after that, I doubt I'll be able to get any more 21:08:00 ? 21:08:03 If you need a room reservation, LET ME KNOW NOW! 21:08:10 cwickert: Go ahead :-) 21:08:13 :) 21:08:25 is there a way for me to find out if I have a room? 21:08:35 s/me/me and biertie 21:08:43 cwickert, that depends on the region. Can't really say if someone from EMEA made that call, but at LATAM we are already preparing next the stuff for our next release. 21:09:10 cwickert: Yes, you and Bertie have a room reserved 21:09:32 jsmith: is there a way to track things? 21:09:49 cwickert: Sure... they're tracked on the same spreadsheet as the Milan travel subsidies 21:09:49 cwickert, I can put your tickets on the agenda, so FAmSCo can discuss them on Saturday meeting 21:09:52 Let me grab the link 21:10:11 hold on 21:10:26 not sure if these numbers should be given in public?! 21:11:00 We haven't hidden any of the travel subsidy info 21:11:07 #info if you need a room for FUDCon Milan, please contact jsmith ASAP because the hotels are filling up fast 21:11:42 Those who have travel subsidies already have a room reserved 21:11:55 Those who don't either need to contact me or find a room on their own 21:12:14 If the UNA Hotel Mediterraneo is full, the secondary hotel will be the Hotel Perugino 21:12:22 Information for both hotels should be on the wiki 21:12:37 #info FUDCon attendees who have travel subsidies already have a room reserved 21:12:50 #info Those who don't either need to contact me or find a room on their own 21:12:56 #info If the UNA Hotel Mediterraneo is full, the secondary hotel will be the Hotel Perugino 21:13:11 ok, I think that's it, thanks for the update jsmith 21:13:26 eof :-) 21:13:37 floor free? 21:13:44 anything more on FUDCon or any other events? 21:13:54 ! 21:14:01 I am planning a FAD at Forth Valley College in Falkirk 21:14:03 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmzMMPA67hiGdEhZWUxRa2lfbFd2M0x1QXFua3Y4aGc&pli=1#gid=1 21:14:21 Affix: is it in the wiki yet? ;) 21:14:25 Not yet 21:14:26 if not, please add it 21:14:28 Working on it 21:14:43 The aim of the FAD is to teach users about the importance of security 21:14:45 #action Affix to add his FAD at Forth Valley College in Falkirk to the wiki 21:14:59 sounds good 21:15:05 Will cover topics such as SELinux, Apache Security and PHP Security 21:15:16 anyone thats willing to do a talk I will give them a place to stay 21:15:54 SELinux definitely is an important topic, rsc's talk at the FAD at FrOSCon was very well attended 21:16:09 Affix: if you need anything, just let me know, I have some swag with me 21:16:11 well SELinux annoys alot of people 21:16:20 But only because they dont know how to use it properly 21:16:45 thanks cwickert I will let you know 21:16:52 Thats all on my FAD at the moment 21:16:55 ok, sesivany then 21:17:04 I got a place for a Fedora booth at LinuxCon Europe, also two free passes for booth staff, that's especially nice because passes are very expensive ($400). 21:17:50 I and Jarda will take care of the event. 21:18:18 If you still need help I think you should give the remaning passes to local ambassadors 21:18:36 or say from a country close to the Czech republic 21:18:53 * cwickert has no time 21:19:14 if I get a ticket from Red Hat, I'll pass it on Marek Mahut (ambassador for Slovakia). 21:19:39 sounds fine 21:19:49 and the developer conference... 21:19:49 sesivany: so is everything set for the event? 21:19:54 yes 21:20:41 I'd like to invite everyone to Developer Conference which will take place in Brno on Feb 17-18. It's devoted to RHEL, Fedora, and JBoss technologies. 21:21:01 I'll have a GNOME hackfest there, too. 21:21:49 ok, anything more on events? 21:21:58 otherwise we proceed with open floor 21:22:16 ah, hold on 21:22:22 I forgot something 21:22:25 #topic Action items from previous meetings 21:22:50 there was one action item 21:22:53 rbergeron to nag the fudcon-planning team about accommodation and put the info on the wiki 21:23:04 this happened, jsmith gave us an update 21:23:14 moving on then 21:23:22 #topic Open Floor 21:23:44 ! 21:23:54 sesivany: go ahead 21:24:19 are there any artworks to make a stand-up banner? we need to have one made before LinuxCon. 21:24:39 sesivany: speak with me 21:25:32 I couldn't find anything useful, especially because of low resolution. 21:25:57 sesivany: we have two ambassadors who take care of this 21:26:01 no, even 3 21:26:07 they are called event ninjas 21:26:28 vinzenz is one, twohot is one and gnokii also does awesome artwork 21:27:07 not sure if gnokii is officially called 'event ninja' though, if not I just declare him one, too 21:27:30 I am not such a ninja, but as I said he can get what he need from me ;) 21:27:41 #action gnokii to help sesivany with the artwork for LinuxCon 21:27:48 thanks 21:27:50 ok, problem solved 21:27:57 anything more for open floor? 21:29:09 if not I will close the meeting in 3 minutes from now 21:31:39 last chance... 21:32:14 linuxcon? 21:32:37 rbergeron: yes, Linux Con 21:32:51 there is one in every continent 21:32:55 cwickert: did we get a booth there? last i asked she said there was no room 21:33:02 cwickert: i know 21:33:11 are you speaking about the European one? 21:33:18 sesivany: can you help rbergeron 21:33:28 angela brown at linux foundation told me a few weeks ago there was no room for a fedora booth in europe or brazil 21:33:54 rbergeron: the booth is shared with RH 21:33:56 and suggested we could share with red hat - i passed that info on to jiri 21:34:00 ah 21:34:07 angela suggested we should share the space with Red Hat. 21:34:12 ok, question answered I guess :) 21:34:29 did the rht folks agree to that? 21:34:42 i guess so 21:34:49 since Im the event owner in Red Hat I convinced myself to share it with Fedora :-) 21:35:36 my manager agrees with that, so do marketing guys. 21:35:41 ah 21:35:41 * cwickert is glad we have people like sesivany working for RHT 21:35:42 cool 21:35:53 ok, I think that's all for today 21:35:59 thanks everybody for coming 21:36:02 #endmeeting