20:05:53 #startmeeting releng 20:05:53 Meeting started Fri Sep 16 20:05:53 2011 UTC. The chair is dgilmore. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:05:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:06:13 #meetingname releng 20:06:13 The meeting name has been set to 'releng' 20:06:37 #topic Fedora release engineering meeting, whos here 20:06:45 * nirik is around 20:07:54 nucleo: maybe just us 20:07:57 abadger1999: ping 20:08:15 pong 20:08:42 abadger1999: interested in the releng meeting? 20:08:47 sure 20:09:04 ok not alot to go over 20:09:12 #topic F-16 beta status 20:09:26 RC1 is done, we will need a rc2 20:09:44 so far everything but ec2 images are working ok 20:10:05 we cant compose ec2 images 20:10:13 and we are on the hook to deliver them 20:10:28 abadger1999: something that came up today 20:10:49 abadger1999: do we have a release status page in pkgdb? 20:11:22 dgilmore: Not a page that I would consider that. What would it contain? 20:11:27 abadger1999: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2953 20:11:59 * nirik isn't sure where best to have that kind of thing... 20:12:00 dgilmore: re: ec2 images... I thought cloud sig was free to create those if we couldn't compose them for this release? 20:12:00 abadger1999: im thinking we could add some compose status info somewhere 20:12:04 it's another place to update. 20:12:50 abadger1999: jsmith has requested that releng do them, and its been agreed that releng will 20:13:19 nirik: well i have some plans to script fully the composing of releases 20:13:36 nirik: so the compose script could update it 20:13:41 yeah, that would be nice. 20:13:46 dgilmore: I'd like rel-eng to do them, but the Board agreed to let the Cloud SIG do them for F16 if rel-eng can't. 20:13:52 also doing nightly spins in with the compose would be awesome. ;) 20:13:56 jsmith: news to me 20:14:16 jsmith: im under the impression that im to do it 20:14:22 and im working to make sure i can 20:15:01 dgilmore: okay... so the pkgdb is mainly about the pkg collection... looks like this request is about the release.... (I'm going to define that as -- the list of package builds that are frozen when a release goes gold). 20:15:25 dgilmore: We could add it but it would be a different thing than what we already have. 20:15:34 may or may not be the best place to put it. 20:15:36 nirik: yeah, the idea would be to do nightly spins with branched and rawhide, 20:15:45 abadger1999: maybe it needs its own tool 20:15:58 abadger1999: im thinking something that has a web page and a cli tool 20:16:02 dgilmore: that would be great too with me. 20:16:09 dgilmore: Yeah -- we'd want to spec out what we want it to do a little more and then decide I think. 20:16:34 abadger1999: that could be used to see things like what releases are stable, what releases are eol, and whats under development 20:16:37 I could see it fitting in with the pkgdb but I could also see it being separate. 20:16:45 hmm... 20:16:48 well that we can do 20:16:55 abadger1999: for things that are under development you could see the most recent composes for it 20:17:02 but I think that ticket goes beyond that. 20:17:06 both nightly and things like tc1 rc 1 etc 20:17:08 right 20:17:41 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/collections/?tg_format=json 20:17:54 abadger1999: so you could maybe run current-statsus f16 20:17:55 That URL has the release and release status already 20:18:08 but nothin about composes 20:18:16 20:18:31 abadger1999: right. thats kinda what im thinking we could maybe add 20:18:36 20:18:44 or maybe it should be a compose/release tool and seperate 20:18:52 yeah, spec it out and we can think about where it should live. 20:19:16 (pkgdb, own tool, etc) 20:20:00 abadger1999: :) right 20:20:04 it would be nice if it was easy to poll. 20:20:11 or had some kind of push ability. 20:20:41 nirik: yeah, 20:20:54 like a message bus 20:21:03 ha. yeah. 20:21:42 mostly f16 seems to be going ok 20:21:56 nirik: has signing access to the f16 key 20:22:07 anyone got anything on f16 ? 20:22:22 dgilmore: you want me to push updates over the weekend... can easily do so 20:23:13 nirik: if youw ant to sure 20:23:27 my typing has been really bad the last few days 20:23:28 no problem... no stable f16's right due to freeze? 20:23:29 sorry 20:23:35 nirik: right 20:24:12 only stable updates are the specific builds we are including in the beta 20:24:19 yeah. 20:27:26 ok i think thats it for F-16 20:27:50 #topic future things 20:28:00 as i mentioned earlier 20:28:13 i want to be able to script the whole release process 20:28:20 doing all the composing in koji 20:28:53 * nirik nods. 20:29:13 it will allow to keep track of everything better 20:29:25 and allows us to have comose status etc 20:30:19 we could also somehow tie in updates push status 20:30:33 might be nice. 20:33:31 it will be quite a bit of development work to get all done 20:33:39 but i feel it will be worth it 20:33:42 yeah, sounds like a long term goal... 20:33:52 so if anyone out there wants something to do :) 20:34:06 #topic secondary arches 20:34:21 so we have quite a bit going on in secondary arch land 20:34:57 I need to write an email to the secondary arch list. need to make sure everyone is using the same processes and toold to do composes etc 20:35:12 there is quite a bit of tool worl still needed 20:35:14 yeah, nice to see it all moving forward. 20:36:28 the only one really stagnant right now is sparc 20:36:41 but arm ppc and s390 are all doing well 20:37:15 i really want to make sure we meet regullary for releng and need to get the secondary arch teams involved in the releng meetings also 20:37:29 so we are likely going to need to get a time earlier in the day 20:37:51 since ppc and s390x are mostly european based people working on them 20:38:32 yeah... friday afternoons are a bit ... meh for meetings. ;) 20:38:38 indeed 20:39:06 im kinda thinking monday mornings, but i guess ill put out a call and see what works for folks 20:39:10 oh, at some point I (or you) need to whip up secondary arch sign bridge/vault instances. 20:39:25 we can move it to the qa/community network. 20:39:28 nirik: yeah, we can do one of 2 things 20:39:45 setup a couple of new vms and migrate settings keys etc 20:40:05 or just copy the disk images from my place to community network 20:40:13 probably quicker to do new images 20:40:19 sure, either way. They can go on virthost-comm01 easily. 20:40:36 and we need to redo the fedora ones sometime. 20:40:47 yes id like to do that soon 20:40:55 thanks for reminding me 20:41:05 i think thats it for secondary arches 20:41:12 #topic releng boxes 20:41:54 we have moved the branch composes from releng01 shared with rawhide to releng03 by itself 20:42:11 and switch the rawhide and branched composes to start at the same time 20:42:12 seems like it's working fine from what I can tell. 20:42:20 its working really well 20:42:31 branched is running faster than rawhide 20:42:53 i want to get updates moved to releng04 20:43:13 lmacken: you got bodhi built for el6 right? 20:43:39 dgilmore: Yup, it's on releng04 but needs a puppet fix that hasn't gotten submitted for +1's yet. 20:43:55 lmacken: ok please lets get that done 20:44:04 dgilmore: will do 20:44:08 we may want to at some point move rawhide to releng03 as well and move/setup another one to replace releng01. releng01 is rhel6, but it's running on a xen host, and oppsing a lot. 20:44:16 * dgilmore is thinking we will move to fedora 15s createrepo 20:44:22 its faster and uses less memory 20:44:31 need to get skvidals take on it 20:44:39 i've seen a lot of createrepo bugfixes going through lately 20:44:49 they've been doing a great job 20:45:03 lmacken: yeah they have and id like to use their work 20:45:33 we should be able to get updates pushes done much faster 20:45:38 between newer sigul 20:45:42 faster createrepo etc 20:45:57 so there is alot of cool things to look forward to 20:47:28 * nirik nods. 20:47:29 I'll be focusing on bodhi optimizations soon as well. I ended up writing a memory profiler while trying to debug bodhi's test suite https://fedorahosted.org/pyrasite/ 20:47:58 thanks to dmalcolm's help too 20:48:25 lmacken: cool. im looking forward to bodhi bug fixes landing 20:49:43 #topic open floor 20:49:52 anyone got anything they want to bring up? 20:51:16 im going to take that as a no 20:51:23 Thanks for coming all 20:51:26 #endmeeting