19:00:17 #startmeeting Cloud SIG 19:00:17 Meeting started Fri Sep 23 19:00:17 2011 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:20 #meetingname Cloud SIG 19:00:20 The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig' 19:00:33 #chair gholms jforbes jsmith 19:00:33 Current chairs: gholms jforbes jsmith rbergeron 19:00:48 * gholms teleports into the room 19:00:53 #topic Who's here 19:00:57 Speak now 19:00:59 * jsmith is here 19:01:00 or forever hold your cloud 19:01:07 !fas bertux 19:01:08 * kkeithley is here 19:01:09 * tflink is lurking but busy testing for beta 19:01:14 :P 19:01:16 tflink: thank you sir 19:01:23 * bertux is here 19:01:33 hey, bertux! thanks for joining :) 19:01:39 * mull is here 19:01:57 rbergeron: thank you to welcome me ;) 19:02:06 of course. and hello to mull, as well 19:02:09 * rbergeron cheers for new people 19:02:14 hi, rbergeron 19:02:21 and hi, bertux -- it's been a while. :-) 19:02:29 okay, so, we may have a light crowd today - we shall see. 19:02:49 * rbergeron will hold another moment whlie she grabs caffeine 19:03:03 * jdarcy only wishes "light crowd" could apply to him. 19:03:05 yes mull it's been a while, it's nice to see you 19:03:38 mull: we have came here at the same time :p 19:03:55 alrighty 19:04:13 #topic EC2 19:04:37 So - I suppose to update - dgilmore sent a note to the cloud list the other day reporting in on F16 beta. 19:05:05 He was having some problems being able to ssh in, etc. 19:05:12 * gholms has info on that :) 19:05:17 oh, go ahead 19:05:21 use the power of the chair, yo 19:05:47 So yesterday I ported cloud-init to systemd and not-Ubuntu. 19:05:57 rbergeron: i just now got a image i could log into 19:06:02 dgilmore: ORLY 19:06:13 dgilmore loaded cloud-init onto a test image and he can now log in. :) 19:06:14 rbergeron: thanks to cloud-init from gholms yes 19:06:29 #info good news, everyone! dgilmore now has an image he can log into 19:06:35 rbergeron: so we are going to get cloud-init into fedora and use it :) 19:06:49 #info thanks to gholms porting of cloud-init to systemd 19:06:53 is that a package we don't have? 19:07:02 rbergeron: yes 19:07:06 Full disclosure: it needs a lot of patches to work on Fedora that I hope to get upstream. 19:07:11 * dgilmore will let gholms describe it 19:07:20 gholms: can you info it plz :) 19:07:31 #info cloud-init is a package not (yet) in fedora 19:07:42 #info cloud-init currently needs a bunch of patches to work on Fedora 19:07:58 #action gholms will work on upstreaming the cloud-init patches 19:08:23 gholms: while thats happening we should still get it into fedora 19:08:35 once its up for review and you point me at it ill review it 19:08:38 what the hell is cloud-init, for those of us who aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? 19:08:51 For those who are curious, cloud-init does basic VM setup when you start EC2 instances. It also let you do all kinds of fancy things by passing it a "user-data" file when you launch them. 19:09:06 Like setting up ssh keys so you can log in. 19:09:26 jdarcy: yeah, that bit in rc.local wasnt working for me 19:09:31 We previously added custom stuff to rc.local to do that. 19:10:37 [Awkard silence] 19:10:42 okay. 19:11:03 Sooooo 19:11:13 Are we going to block uploading images based on the fact that it's not in fedora? 19:11:19 or ... what? 19:11:25 block *on* uploading images 19:11:27 i mean 19:12:13 [awkward lack of responses] 19:12:17 dgilmore: does that block us? or not really 19:12:17 rbergeron: we cant call it fedora with it in. 19:12:29 dgilmore has offered to review it as soon as I manage to get the request in. 19:12:37 But do we have to have hte patches upstream as well? 19:12:39 rbergeron: but, as soon as its past review and built i can pull it in 19:12:56 rbergeron: we dont have to have the patches upstream 19:13:00 but they should go there 19:13:00 coolio 19:13:28 okay, well, we (for better or worse) have a week+, so do you think we'll be able to make it all come together for beta release-day availability? :D 19:13:36 #action dgilmore to review gholms's package review for cloud-init once it is submitted 19:13:48 rbergeron: so i dont belive this will stop us from releasing a beta at the same time as the rest of fedora 19:14:14 #info Assuming all goes well with packaging, we should be able to release a beta at the same time as the rest of Fedora 19:14:17 Whee! 19:14:38 rbergeron: im happy to make the ami public if we want people to test 19:14:38 Nice job, everyone! 19:14:50 treat it like a nightly compose 19:14:59 * rbergeron nods 19:15:11 * rbergeron wonders about the costs of nightly composes and uploads.... 19:15:31 * dgilmore does not know 19:15:57 gholms: do you think that would be insane cost-wise 19:16:05 or anyone else with extensive experience 19:16:05 the upload itself should be cheap, as long as you aren't storing all of the nightlies forever 19:16:16 Uploading is cheap. 19:16:21 upload == pennies 19:16:32 Storage is the biggest cost center. 19:16:52 okay, so i guess the second question is - is it worthwhile / useful to do so, or would it be better to just have TCs/RCs posted? 19:18:04 We don't have to keep many nightlies up at a time. 19:18:08 S3 storage is 0.140/GB/mo at the high end (gets cheaper the more you have) 19:18:53 okay. so... Dennis: I think that sounds dandy, so let's just do that, and we'll see how useful it is. Sound good? 19:18:55 so now we're talking dimes instead of pennies. :-) 19:19:44 #action dgilmore to post nightlies/TCs/RCs/whatever as he sees fit 19:19:51 dgilmore: when you post, can you put that info on the wiki page? 19:19:53 * rbergeron digs for link 19:20:06 rbergeron: i can try to remeber to 19:20:33 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG/EC2_Images 19:20:48 dgilmore: maybe it's something we could script somehow with the mediawiki-python thing 19:21:01 * rbergeron is just thinking aloud 19:21:18 rbergeron: yeah, i have some plans on redoing how releng does stuff. 19:21:30 Ubuntu has a system for rolling images automatically. Perhaps we could eventually steal some of their code. 19:21:37 coolio. thanks dgilmore :) 19:21:45 rbergeron: part of my thoughts is a status page 19:22:10 where you can see whats stable/eol, and latest compose info for in development releases 19:22:34 dgilmore: that would be muy cool 19:23:29 okay. i'll move on 19:23:31 http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ami/ 19:23:37 ^ A status page for images 19:23:57 #info take a look at Ubuntu's AMI status info, maybe some decent ideas there 19:24:03 #topic HekaFS 19:25:08 Lots of staring at GlusterFS code, lots of writing up ideas for the next release. 19:25:36 some tinkering, some reinstalling my dev system after I borked it 19:25:39 Gluster has asked if 3.2.4 could get into F16, I told them it seemed unlikely. 19:26:05 why unlikely? no cycles to do the work? 19:26:13 wondering why the hekafs rpm is still (stuck) in updates-testing instead of the F16 fedora repo 19:26:24 kkeithley: because we're in beta freeze 19:26:54 it should go to stable after that 19:26:56 we can do the work, the question is will they get it out in time 19:27:01 (LOOK, SHE'S LEARNING THINGS) 19:27:02 3.2.4 doesn't even exist yet. Even if they squeeze it out early next week, we'd have to rush to beat freeze deadlines. 19:27:03 oh 19:27:46 And when I say "we" I mean Kaleb, since I'm about as useful as a beached manatee when it comes to packaging. 19:28:34 so final change deadline is 10/24 19:28:35 otherwise it'll go out after GA. I suppose there's an element of "nice" associated with it being in the GA, but I'm not sure it really matters. 19:29:11 #info gluster looking to see if 3.2.4 could get into F16, but it's not out yet, so possibly unlikely 19:29:16 That's all I had. Not one of my better weeks. 19:29:53 same here, borking my system was not a high point 19:30:15 okay. 19:30:19 19:30:35 #topic Aeolus 19:30:36 mwah 19:30:48 i don't see clalance about, or anyone else. 19:31:05 #info lutter is presenting on aeolus later this afternoon on list-mentioned puppetconf live feed, for those interested 19:31:38 Kaleb and I both checked. No clalance. 19:31:42 * rbergeron nods 19:31:46 * rbergeron thinks about who *is* here 19:31:54 i will try to watch this stream if it's not too late for France 19:32:10 cool. it's in about 3.5 hours, iirc 19:32:54 It's already 21:35 in France 19:32:59 :) 19:33:05 #topic Anything else? 19:33:07 Apparently the videos will be available after the conference 19:33:08 * rbergeron isn't sure who else is here. 19:33:27 Anyone heard anything from BoxGrinder-land this week? 19:33:37 verdurin: yup. or live, http://puppetlabs.com/puppetconf-live/ 19:33:41 gholms: not really 19:34:18 Not this week but there was the new release 0.9.6 19:34:32 #info Boxgrinder new release - 0.9.6 19:34:53 and i plan to create a version for Vmware ESX of the BoxGrinder MetaAppliance 19:34:59 0.9.7, I think 19:35:15 bertux: very cool 19:35:27 #info or 0.9.7, we have varying reports :) 19:35:41 Heh 19:36:21 and i will blog in french about it 19:36:34 bertux: cool, I'm sure everyone will appreciate that :) 19:36:43 to let BoxGrinder team link it in the official blog 19:37:16 excellent. 19:37:21 * rbergeron waves at russellb 19:37:39 do you know already about the new juju project of Ubuntu ? 19:37:49 yup, i read about it a bit earlierthis week 19:38:23 juju, f.k.a. ensemble 19:38:24 Yesterady i was at OpenWorld Forum in Paris to listen to Redhat presentations 19:38:48 bertux: nice, lucky you :) 19:39:00 but the juju is a south african word as ubuntu is 19:39:14 juju means magic in south african 19:39:14 * russellb waves back to rbergeron 19:39:43 bertux: you'll be in milan, correct? 19:39:58 yes i've confirmed it to marek 19:40:12 cool. i'll see you there :) 19:40:15 hi, obino :) 19:40:20 I will be in the same hotel than him 19:40:24 hi rgergeron! 19:40:40 yeah I'm still drunk from last night :/ 19:40:44 LOL 19:40:57 i heard you guys went to ground kontrol. 19:41:08 cool, it would be a pleasure for me to meet you rbergeron and speak french ;) 19:41:09 I have seen picuters :) 19:41:16 I"m not in portland ... sadly 19:41:23 obino: oh, lol 19:41:35 bertux: I can speak a little. :) 19:42:01 rbergeron: i can help you practice your french 19:42:14 awesome. :) 19:42:22 okay, guys, anything else? 19:42:24 * rbergeron looks arond 19:42:31 [You hear the sound of distant drums] 19:42:39 bertux, help her find the restroom and how to order an appletini 19:42:50 I'm waiting for OpenStack testday 19:42:58 bertux: yeah, so.. 19:43:14 #info rbergero still sucks at getting test day stuff going. Sorry :( 19:43:20 i've seen there is already a QuickStart guide so i plan to try it already 19:43:51 yup! 19:44:00 to have questions ready for the tesday ;) 19:44:02 They have a ton of documentation on their site as well. 19:44:08 Just not very fedora-related, sadly. 19:44:09 Yet. 19:44:16 exactly 19:45:44 on what channel can i discuss about openstack in fedora ? 19:45:56 bertux: we're normally hanging out in #fedora-cloud 19:46:04 and of course the mailing list :) 19:46:51 have you already announced that the RedHat Enterprise Virtualization Manager has been open sourced by Redhat at overt.org ? 19:47:21 i mean ovirt.org of course 19:47:58 it was announced at RedHat Enterprise Virtualisation conference in OpenWorld Forum 19:48:03 #info RHEV-M is now at http://www.ovirt.org/ 19:48:36 It will not be released for another month or so, right? 19:48:38 i'm coming back at OpenWorld Forum tomorrow to see a demo of OpenStack running on Ubuntu by Nicolas Barcet 19:48:40 oh, that's a good point. 19:48:42 Maybe we can let it languish for a couple of years and then re-use the site for yet a third barely-related project, just to confuse/annoy people even more. 19:49:02 jdarcy: i agree :p 19:49:05 yeah, the code isn't posted yet 19:49:09 jdarcy: Yeah... :( 19:49:10 jdarcy: how do you really feel :) lol 19:49:18 that is exactly was the RedHat speaker said me ;) 19:49:34 rbergeron: Snarky, as always. ;) 19:49:40 lol 19:49:47 that's a cloud sig membership requirement 19:50:05 but Suse and Canonical already hope the code to be posted because they announced they will contribute to it 19:50:11 Yup. 19:50:13 and IBM, cisco. 19:51:03 [Everyone stares at rbergeron] 19:51:10 okay, i'm ending this thang. 19:51:14 Have a good weekend, folks :) 19:51:22 Thanks, everyone! 19:51:22 #endmeeting