15:09:48 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2011-09-27
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15:09:59 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:10:08 <jreznik> #topic roll call, 2nd try
15:10:17 * rnovacek is here
15:10:17 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:10:37 * ltinkl is present
15:11:01 <rdieter> here
15:11:14 <jreznik> #chair jreznik Kevin_Kofler rnovacek ltinkl rdieter
15:11:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek
15:11:24 <jreznik> #info jreznik Kevin_Kofler rnovacek ltinkl rdieter present
15:11:32 <jreznik> #topic agenda
15:12:14 <jreznik> ah wiki too slow to save new meeting page
15:13:02 <jreznik> anything we should talk about today?
15:14:58 <rnovacek> jreznik: any new info about that qxl bug?
15:15:58 <jreznik> rnovacek: not yet, sandman is completely unresponsible... wrote an email...
15:16:18 <jreznik> maybe I have to add GIMPnet and try to find someone there....
15:17:52 <Kevin_Kofler> I can bring some news from the Plasma RPM autoprov front.
15:18:33 <Kevin_Kofler> So, telepathy-kde now includes a plasmoid written in QML, which brought up a couple issues.
15:19:30 <jreznik> what about the libs needed for plasma active? I saw discussion but I was busy... do we have agreement or should it go to agenda?
15:19:42 <Kevin_Kofler> The worst was that my autoprov script didn't work on the declarativeappletscript script engine because it was trusting the X-KDE-PluginInfo-Name.
15:19:59 <Kevin_Kofler> It turns out X-KDE-PluginInfo-Name can be nonsense for script engines.
15:20:16 <Kevin_Kofler> So now I ignore it for script engines, where only X-Plasma-API matters.
15:20:30 <jreznik> #topic Plasma RPM autoprov
15:21:25 <Kevin_Kofler> The next thing is that my (optional) plasma-dataengine-depextractor, which scans source code for data engine dependencies and adds them to the metadata.desktop, doesn't support declarativeappletscript yet.
15:21:46 <Kevin_Kofler> That should also be a change of 3-4 lines or so, I'll have a look ASAP.
15:22:51 <Kevin_Kofler> And finally, we aren't running the plasma-dataengine-depextractor at build time anywhere, we should be doing that for most (ideally all) plasmoids. The main issue there is that the scriptlet to use is not documented anywhere, I'll write up a packaging draft and see if I can get it blessed by FPC.
15:23:40 <jreznik> ok
15:23:54 <Kevin_Kofler> For scripted plasmoids like this one, I could in principle be running the plasma-dataengine-depextractor on the installed stuff in the autoprov script, but for C++ plasmoids, running it at build time is the only option because it needs the source code.
15:24:03 <Kevin_Kofler> So I guess it's simplest to just always do it at build time.
15:28:33 <Kevin_Kofler> That's all from autoprov front.
15:28:53 <jreznik> ok, thanks for info from first line front
15:29:01 <jreznik> #topic documentation
15:29:31 <Kevin_Kofler> So plasmoid packaging snippets are not the only place where we lack documentation? ;-)
15:30:00 <jreznik> just a heads up - I talked to fnadge - he's doc team guy working on Fedora docs and he's willing to help us to finally finish some basic guide/tour around Fedora
15:30:28 <jreznik> so if you have an idea what should be covered in such guide...
15:30:44 <rdieter> yay
15:32:54 <Kevin_Kofler> How to switch to the classic menu, disable SELinux and remove anything remotely related to GNOME? ;-)
15:34:23 <jreznik> something more serious? :)
15:34:52 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, switching between Kickoff and Classic is something useful, though maybe not for the beginner's walkthrough…
15:35:13 <Kevin_Kofler> Disabling SELinux likewise, but I guess Fedora intentionally won't document that one. :-/
15:35:38 <Kevin_Kofler> What to show in a walkthrough? I guess the obvious: browsing the web with Konqueror etc.
15:36:03 <rnovacek> maybe set of basic applications?
15:36:34 <ltinkl> basic stuff, connecting to web, browsing, writing an email, launching apps, etc.
15:36:35 <rnovacek> konversation/kopete/dolphin etc
15:36:37 <Kevin_Kofler> You can tell them about the gg: shortcut in Konqueror so they can remove that useless search widget from their toolbar.
15:36:51 <Kevin_Kofler> And bz: and bug: etc.
15:37:06 <Kevin_Kofler> Those shortcuts are cool.
15:37:22 <Kevin_Kofler> Any such feature in KDE apps which isn't commonplace elsewhere deserves highlighting.
15:37:36 <Kevin_Kofler> Of course, it means we need to have somebody on board who knows all those "secrets".
15:37:40 <rdieter> rnovacek: +1 , (and konq as mentioned), plasma activities (maybe?), add/remove plasma widgets
15:38:21 <Kevin_Kofler> rnovacek, ltinkl: Right, that's what I meant with "the obvious". :-)
15:38:28 <Kevin_Kofler> Word processing too though.
15:38:29 <rdieter> initially, I'd envision just a basic tour of features.  later on (if there's interest/energy), can git into poweruser tips/tricks
15:38:36 <jreznik> rdieter: +1
15:38:54 <Kevin_Kofler> The only question being, should we show KWord / Calligra Words, or libreoffice with libreoffice-kde?
15:39:11 <Kevin_Kofler> The former is installed by default, the latter is likely to be more useful to people with complex word processing needs.
15:39:23 <Kevin_Kofler> For the basics, anything should be good enough…
15:39:36 <Kevin_Kofler> Or should we just show them Kile? ;-)
15:39:55 <Kevin_Kofler> (IMHO the best option, but I guess it's not a good idea in a beginners' walkthrough…)
15:42:59 <jreznik> Kile1
15:43:00 <jreznik> !
15:43:02 <jreznik> :)
15:43:14 <jreznik> ok, do we have anything else for this meeting?
15:44:30 <rdieter> just an fyi, that kde-4.7.1 is now queue'd for f16 updates-testing
15:45:16 <Kevin_Kofler> Maybe we should make 2 walkthroughs?
15:45:18 <rnovacek> 4.7.2 will be tagged on thursday irc
15:45:42 <Kevin_Kofler> Once with basic apps (Dolphin, KWord etc.) and one with advanced apps (Krusader, Kile etc.)?
15:46:27 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: sure, baby steps, let's get the initial basic one first, then consider others as time allows
15:46:39 <jreznik> First step should be desktop/workspace
15:47:33 <rnovacek> jreznik: +1
15:47:47 <Kevin_Kofler> I think it's important to show the power user apps, but of course we have to show the simple ones first.
15:54:39 <jreznik> all?
15:54:48 <jreznik> otherwise I'll end meeting
15:55:17 * Kevin_Kofler can't think of anything to add.
15:56:32 <jreznik> ok, thanks guys!
15:56:35 <jreznik> #endmeeting