15:01:36 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2011-10-11
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15:01:40 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:01:45 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:01:54 <rdieter> hi, who's all here today?
15:02:06 * jreznik is here :)
15:02:46 * than is here
15:03:20 * rnovacek is here
15:04:26 <rdieter> guess that's about it for today
15:04:34 <rdieter> #info rdieter jreznik  than rnovacek present
15:04:40 <rdieter> #chair jreznik  than rnovacek
15:04:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik rdieter rnovacek than
15:04:41 <jreznik> hi than, how was your PTO?
15:04:54 <than> jreznik: it's great :)
15:04:58 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:05:32 <rdieter> #info Kevin_Kofler present
15:05:34 <rdieter> #chair Kevin_Kofler
15:05:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik rdieter rnovacek than
15:05:42 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:06:03 <rdieter> wiki has "4.7.2 status, and apper pkg review" for topics today, anything else?
15:06:51 <jreznik> nothing new here
15:07:16 <rdieter> ok, moving on...
15:07:20 <rdieter> #topic kde 4.7.2 status
15:07:49 <rdieter> kde 4.7.2 builds have been in f16 updates-testing for a few days now, all good so far.
15:08:29 <Kevin_Kofler> Good… → stable? :-)
15:08:35 <rdieter> I did a second round of builds adding kate-part dependencies here and there, as was highlighted by a recent bug filed against kile
15:09:06 <rdieter> it's stable-worthy as far as I'm concerned
15:09:18 <rdieter> any objection?
15:09:27 <Kevin_Kofler> BTW, we still need to fix Kile itself for the missing dep.
15:09:54 <rdieter> yeah, I didn't touch anything outside the core set of kde packages much yet.
15:10:23 <rdieter> (I did modify kdevplatform as an exception to that so far)
15:10:58 <rdieter> ok, lemme see if it'll let me submit this for stable yet.
15:11:18 <rdieter> (else, it requires only one more +1 karma)
15:11:44 <Kevin_Kofler> You can edit it, set the threshold to 1 and the requested target to stable in one go.
15:12:05 <rdieter> meh, I'll karma it myself (or get one of you to do it), if needed. :)
15:12:56 <rnovacek> I installed it yesterday on my f16 workstation at work, so I'll +1
15:12:58 <rdieter> ok, yeah, bodhi rejected the stable queue.  we can karma it
15:13:45 <Kevin_Kofler> As I said, if you edit the threshold to 1, it will let you queue it to stable. (That's very silly, but it's how Bodhi works.)
15:13:47 <rdieter> one other thing I'd like to mention, I touched up kdebase-workspace yesterday, and made another couple of subpkgs, mostly so that a few more other apps/pkgs could be installed, without pulling in all of kdebase-workspace.
15:14:23 <rdieter> ksysguard, ksysguard-libs : kdevelop depends on libprocess* pieces from ksysguard-libs
15:14:41 <rnovacek> karma done
15:14:41 <rdieter> libkworkspace : used by kdm, kget, ktorrent
15:15:07 <rdieter> for < f17, kdebase-workspace Requires: ksysguard (for upgrade path)
15:16:16 <rdieter> i'll queue that new build for -testing after meeting
15:16:34 <Kevin_Kofler> OK
15:16:52 <rdieter> anything else wrt 4.7.2 ?
15:18:07 <rdieter> #info 4.7.2 looking good, queue'd now for stable updates
15:18:28 <rdieter> #info still need to add kate-part dependencies to a few other packages (including kile)
15:19:07 <rdieter> #info rdieter to submit updated kdebase-workspace for testing, that includes a couple more pkg splits
15:19:25 <rdieter> #topic apper package review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=745160
15:19:37 <rdieter> .bug 745160
15:19:39 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 745160 Review Request: apper - KDE interface for PackageKit - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=745160
15:19:54 <rdieter> apper initial release was yesterday, here's my first draft at packaging it
15:20:18 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: will need your review for plasma-dep support (is that upstream yet or not?)
15:20:26 <rnovacek> I can do the review tomorrow
15:20:32 <Kevin_Kofler> It's upstream in Apper.
15:20:35 <rdieter> yay
15:20:39 <Kevin_Kofler> So the patch shouldn't be needed anymore.
15:21:07 <Kevin_Kofler> I only had to patch the old KPackageKit because the 0.6 branch was basically dead, so I had to backport the patch.
15:21:13 <rdieter> the only quirk I found in packaging it was an rpath oddity, but not sure if that was just my own franken-box being wierd
15:21:51 <rdieter> tried it out locally on my f15/kde47 box a bit, looks nice.
15:22:07 <than> Kevin_Kofler: is KPackageKit renamed to apper?
15:22:34 <rdieter> than: yes
15:23:09 <Kevin_Kofler> I wonder if we shouldn't just move libapper back to libdir directly, it would avoid having to muck with rpaths.
15:23:09 <than> rdieter: is there any reason why it's renamed?
15:23:41 <Kevin_Kofler> There's no good reason to have it in a private libdir, it's not like "libapper" is any more likely to conflict with other packages than the "apper" executable etc.
15:23:43 <rdieter> upstream (dannti) apparently didn't like kpackagekit I guess.  I don't know much more than that.
15:24:52 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: true
15:25:12 <Kevin_Kofler> dantti said he moved the file to a private libdir because the Debian folks asked for it.
15:25:16 <Kevin_Kofler> But IMHO this makes no sense whatsoever.
15:25:41 * rdieter doesn't care either way, as long as it works.
15:26:27 <rdieter> now, personally, I'd like us to make an effort to get this in f16, but we need to do some serious testing to make that happen
15:26:42 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah.
15:26:46 <Kevin_Kofler> It's quite late for F16. :-(
15:26:57 <Kevin_Kofler> But shipping F16 with the old KPK 0.6 doesn't sound that great an idea to me either.
15:27:23 <rdieter> agreed, seems like a lesser of 2 evils to me
15:27:43 <rdieter> but let's get it reviewed and tested a bit, and make a better decision then
15:28:01 <than> rdieter: +1
15:28:23 <than> rdieter: we should upload it to kde-redhat for testing
15:29:20 <jreznik> +1
15:29:38 <Kevin_Kofler> +1 to both.
15:29:45 <rdieter> I'll throw what I have in f15 kde-unstable after meeting
15:30:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Now if only Lennart worked the same way… Shipping F16 with an outdated PulseAudio sucks… :-(
15:30:33 <rdieter> #info will get apper reviewed and tested asap, and make an effort to squeeze this into f16
15:31:26 <rdieter> anything else on apper?
15:32:28 <rdieter> ok, moving on...
15:32:33 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:32:43 <rdieter> open floor, for anything else of interested today.
15:32:55 <rdieter> all hail beefy miracle (nuf said)
15:33:02 <Kevin_Kofler> Has anybody looked at my kdelibs3 security patches yet?
15:33:22 <than> Kevin_Kofler: url?
15:33:31 <rdieter> I think from #fedora-kde earlier, jreznik/ltinkl were going to over the next day or 2.
15:34:26 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743074
15:34:31 <jreznik> rdieter: hope ltinkl took a look, I'm quite busy these days :(((
15:34:46 <rdieter> jreznik: anything we/I can help with?
15:35:36 <than> Kevin_Kofler: i will take a look at the patches
15:36:17 <than> Kevin_Kofler: is it affected in all kdelibs version?
15:36:40 <Kevin_Kofler> AFAICT, yes.
15:36:51 <rdieter> just an informal survey, which kde-sig'ers here have a f16 install for testing (vm or otherwise)?
15:37:06 <Kevin_Kofler> Except latest 4.7 branch which is patched, not sure if the fix is already in 4.7.2 or only 4.7.3.
15:37:18 <than> Kevin_Kofler: i will check
15:37:23 <Kevin_Kofler> Or actually, it is in 4.7.2 already.
15:37:25 <rnovacek> rdieter: I installed yesterday on bare hardware
15:37:32 * rdieter has f16 on vm
15:37:36 <Kevin_Kofler> We had it in F16/Rawhide and dropped it in 4.7.2 because it's already fixed.
15:37:42 <Kevin_Kofler> But it can't hurt to double-check.
15:38:00 <Kevin_Kofler> We still need to issue updates for F14 and F15 though, using the 4.6 versions upstream provided.
15:38:15 <Kevin_Kofler> Upstream didn't provide anything for 3.x, so I did the patches there.
15:38:29 * rdieter can do the f14/f15 kdelibs builds
15:39:11 * than even installed f16 beta on his testing machine
15:39:31 * than is unhappy with kmail2
15:40:09 <rdieter> hrm, no CVE bug against kdelibs?
15:40:40 <jreznik> than: /me is unhappy too - for big mailboxes... using zimbra and it's far from optimal user experience
15:40:54 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743056
15:40:57 <than> rdieter: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743074
15:41:11 <Kevin_Kofler> than: That's the general tracker.
15:41:25 <Kevin_Kofler> The kdelibs [fedora-all] bug is already closed, but shouldn't be, because not all releases are fixed. I'm reopening it.
15:41:59 <rdieter> ah, that's why I didn't find it
15:42:04 <rdieter> thanks
15:46:09 <rdieter> anything else?
15:46:20 <rdieter> otherwise, I'll close the meeting in 2 min
15:48:10 <jreznik> nothing from me, I'll try to push ltinkl to take a closer look
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15:48:45 <rdieter> ok, thanks everyone.
15:48:47 <rdieter> #endmeeting