13:18:24 <yn1v> #startmeeting FAMSCO
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13:18:26 <gbraad> I start to follow
13:18:35 <gbraad> I try to follow
13:19:02 * tatica would apreciate if we can go with fudcon first in case I need to run out :\
13:19:05 <yn1v> #topic roll call
13:19:09 <tatica> morning yn1v gbraad
13:19:17 <igorps> .fas igorps
13:19:17 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
13:19:18 <gbraad> .fad gbraad
13:19:25 <gbraad> .fas gbraad
13:19:25 <zodbot> gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
13:19:41 * gbraad experiences a terrible lag
13:19:58 <yn1v> #chair gbraad igorps yn1v
13:19:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps yn1v
13:20:05 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
13:20:05 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
13:20:54 <yn1v> do anybody has problem with tatica request?
13:21:17 <igorps> Not at all
13:21:22 <gbraad> ok
13:21:37 <tatica> thank you :)
13:22:10 <igorps> This probably will take a good part of our time
13:22:18 <igorps> so let's do it first
13:22:20 <yn1v> #topic fudcon latam 2012 comments
13:22:39 <yn1v> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Venezuela_2012
13:22:54 <yn1v> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Peru_2012
13:23:41 <yn1v> where do we start?
13:24:44 <igorps> We can comment each bid and compare them after that
13:24:52 <igorps> just a suggestion
13:25:00 <yn1v> I like that
13:25:35 <yn1v> do we start with Isla Margarita?
13:26:04 <igorps> +1
13:26:24 <igorps> That would be the first FUDCond held in a island?
13:26:44 <tatica> afaik, yes
13:26:54 <tatica> (sorry, should I use protocol?)
13:27:19 <igorps> tatica, no we are just a few
13:27:28 <yn1v> I think we can talk/write freely, as we are a few
13:27:47 <tatica> oka
13:28:09 <tatica> I read the last meeting and I should be updating next week the international flights
13:28:27 <yn1v> I think that Isla Margarita bid has a very broad description
13:28:39 <igorps> tatica, how long is the flight from Caracas to the island?
13:28:51 <tatica> less than 30min, is a quick flight
13:29:07 <tatica> there are other ways to get to the island, like plan B
13:29:14 <yn1v> has cover almost everything, but I feel has left out cons
13:29:29 <tatica> there is a Ferry that leaves from a nearby city
13:29:41 <tatica> yn1v, true
13:29:44 <yn1v> we can swim ;-)
13:29:57 <tatica> jejeje
13:30:44 <igorps> tatica, no visa is necessary for every nationality?
13:31:19 <tatica> no that I know, but like Richzendy work some years on that governamental section I can ask him in about 1 hour and add it to the wiki
13:31:26 <yn1v> I once participate in a international convention that was held in a resort, attendance from local people was low due the fact that was a view as expensive for been in the country
13:31:54 <tatica> yn1v, yes, Margarita is an expensive place in holiday dates
13:32:11 <tatica> however, some big efforts hve been made through the last year in that local area
13:32:26 <yn1v> that will impact on local people attending ?
13:32:36 <tatica> yes
13:32:56 <tatica> for them, is expensive to come to Caracas, since here is even more expensive than go there
13:33:30 <tatica> also, we are not planing to use big resorts
13:33:39 <yn1v> I don't see as bad, but something to be aware and work to provide solutions and information
13:34:07 <tatica> as you can see in the bid, our locations are small hotels so we can have technically a "fedora house" for everyone
13:34:56 <igorps> I believe that the island has a low population, so we would not have much people from there attending. In that case we would need good marketing and information to get people there
13:35:00 <tatica> transportation would be provided by the island, 24/7; so locations at the end won't be a problem if a change is needed
13:35:11 <tatica> igorps, sure
13:35:16 <tatica> using Santiago as example
13:35:16 <yn1v> that will mean that everybody on the event will be in a hotel, a some body has to pay... not that I am against that but to be taken into account
13:35:26 <tatica> sometimes have an even on a big city doesn't determine a big attendance
13:35:53 <tatica> there are 3 main universities in the island, and 1 hour away (at coast) at least 8 interested universities
13:36:08 <tatica> so, our estimated goes from 300-600 on a low attendance
13:36:19 <yn1v> hotel will come from people budget or from fudcon budget.
13:36:40 <tatica> we are working to use local sponsorship for that
13:36:44 <yn1v> that's about the universities is a good thing.
13:36:45 <igorps> tatica, indeed, but I don't believe that this was Santiago example
13:36:58 <igorps> local sponsorship is good
13:37:18 <tatica> yn1v, igorps in venezuela, events are mostly done with local sponsorship
13:37:24 * gbraad still follows the talk
13:37:30 <tatica> so we are a bit used to not have international help
13:37:36 <yn1v> I see this as something to deal with, not something that is bad
13:37:46 <igorps> +1
13:37:48 <tatica> if is needed, some expenses will be used with fudcon funds, but isn't our priority
13:38:00 <tatica> what will leave us more fudcon budget for travels
13:38:29 <igorps> good to know about the universities, certainly the best place to make marketing about the FUDCon
13:38:38 <tatica> there is another option to travel that I receive last week
13:38:44 <tatica> but I was in bed, so I couldn't add it
13:38:54 <igorps> tatica, this is a good idea, worked well for FUDCon Panama
13:39:06 <tatica> is that, like Aruba is so near to Margarita, we might use it as international airport, instead Caracas
13:39:27 <tatica> we need to check prices and compare, and then add it to the wiki if is a good option
13:39:50 <tatica> Aruba is 1 hour in boat to Margarita (or something like that)
13:40:16 <igorps> tatica, do you believe that there will be any problems or restrictions on making the budget money get to Venezuela?
13:40:51 <igorps> For instance restrictions to PayPal or international credit cards
13:40:57 <tatica> not really, Margarita is a well know touristic place, so people is used to work with us$
13:41:04 <yn1v> But probably fliying to aruba will be more expensive and will requiere visa, and may get really expensive if you have to sleep to catch a flight next day.
13:41:19 <tatica> yn1v, yeap, that's what we need to research
13:41:33 <tatica> we would like to consider first week of June or July
13:41:44 <tatica> just a couple of weeks before holidays
13:42:14 <yn1v> before high season,, good
13:42:25 <tatica> yeap
13:42:35 <igorps> so we could avoid higher prices
13:42:55 <tatica> exactly
13:44:14 <yn1v> just to be sure, all conference room are universities?
13:44:30 <tatica> yes
13:44:36 <yn1v> great.
13:44:38 <tatica> but
13:44:57 <tatica> we already ask to the hotels we talk with a conference room, hospitality room
13:45:07 <tatica> the idea is to not have any interruption
13:45:23 <tatica> that's why we would like to have a "fedora hotel"
13:45:24 <igorps> tatica, for general attendees do you think it's possible for them to go to the event and get home on the same day? Or hotels are necessary for everyone?
13:45:33 <tatica> oh, before I forget
13:45:52 <tatica> igorps, a lot of people can go and be back on same day
13:45:54 <tatica> however
13:46:06 <tatica> some has ask me to reserve for them, as their expenses
13:46:24 <tatica> we would like to extend people visit for another day
13:46:44 <yn1v> flight at about $90 ... rather rent a room
13:46:48 <tatica> state will provide an outdors adventure, beach day and things like that
13:46:54 <tatica> yn1v, not everyone has to take a flight
13:46:57 <tatica> not locals
13:47:00 <igorps> nice!
13:47:04 <tatica> only international visitors
13:47:17 <tatica> we cant take the boat, mostly to take our cars
13:47:37 <tatica> ok, medication time
13:47:42 <tatica> any other question? I must leave
13:47:43 <tatica> :S
13:47:51 <yn1v> Not from me
13:47:51 <igorps> What about the rooms capacity?
13:49:01 <tatica> well, we can have, single, double and can go up to apparment for 8
13:49:08 <tatica> so, that's up to what we need
13:49:45 <igorps> And the rooms at the university?
13:49:56 <tatica> no, our universities doesn't have room
13:50:03 <tatica> ahh sorry, conference room
13:50:07 <tatica> from 50 to 500
13:50:12 <tatica> again, we can choose any
13:50:20 <tatica> all university rooms are for free
13:50:32 <tatica> at all universities, and if we need more, we can use the governamental building
13:51:01 <tatica> ok, be back in 30min guys
13:51:05 <igorps> Important information! :)
13:51:17 <igorps> I don't have further questions
13:51:39 <yn1v> so do we look now at perú bid ?
13:51:51 <igorps> +1
13:52:37 <igorps> I'm not sure about this flight costs
13:52:46 <igorps> some of them look the same
13:52:55 <yn1v> I feel bad because lima has been talking about a big event for so long, and see the bid quite incomplete
13:53:24 <igorps> Me too. I think they need a more mature bid.
13:53:48 <igorps> Some information is missing
13:54:24 <gbraad> igorps: can you be more sepcific
13:54:27 <yn1v> For instance, it is not provided possible locations for conference or lodging
13:54:46 <igorps> and also who are the organizers
13:55:18 <gbraad> Henry
13:55:18 <igorps> Although I know who they are others don't
13:55:22 <gbraad> says in the top
13:56:07 <igorps> There are other folks from Lima involved in this as well
13:56:37 <gbraad> I would hope so
13:56:51 <yn1v> As far as I know, there are some helping a bit, but this is most of all henry's work
13:57:01 <igorps> ideally all the team should be listed
13:58:13 <igorps> the good thing about Lima is that it is a bid city
13:58:24 <igorps> with a lot of potential attendees
13:58:54 <yn1v> yes
14:00:47 <yn1v> I will write to Henry with the comments
14:01:00 <igorps> In addition we would have more direct flights
14:01:48 <igorps> I can't see info about the venue as well
14:02:08 <yn1v> yes, that was my first concern, conference room
14:02:29 <igorps> Henry told he already has a place
14:02:40 <yn1v> Flights are not complete, but at least there is an idea of what to expect
14:03:12 <yn1v> I am sure, as he has been thing of a mayor fedora event for long time
14:03:24 <yn1v> but it is not in the bid
14:04:03 <gbraad> please, have this corrected before a preference can be given
14:04:32 <igorps> It looks like they didn't have enough time to put the bid together
14:04:33 <gbraad> at the moment I will withhold myself frommy vote
14:04:56 <igorps> I'm afraid we can't keep postponing this
14:05:38 <igorps> Most of those suggestions were already made on last LATAM meeting too
14:05:40 <gbraad> that case it is simple.
14:05:57 <gbraad> we have only one complete bid option?
14:06:08 <yn1v> yes
14:06:28 <yn1v> there is only two bids, peru and venezuela
14:06:33 <igorps> Both have their problems and pros
14:06:45 <igorps> but the Venezuelan bid is in a better shape
14:07:04 <gbraad> I hate to do this...
14:07:13 <gbraad> igorps +1
14:07:30 <igorps> so I am going to give a +1 for Venezuela
14:07:56 <igorps> And I believe we should keep fostering the community in Peru
14:08:18 <igorps> inviting them to the FUDCon, the same way did for FUDCon Panama
14:08:36 <yn1v> +1
14:08:56 <gbraad> +1
14:09:14 <gbraad> saw this coming, ;-)
14:09:58 <igorps> So they can have a bid in better shape for the next years
14:10:12 <yn1v> I did not propose a Nicaraguan bid to give room for Peru :-/
14:11:28 <igorps> I did not propose a Brazilian bid because of the world cup constructions
14:12:03 <yn1v> so we can take over that infraestructure for fudcon after worldcup ?
14:12:08 <gbraad> I did not propose a China bid, since it is not LATAM
14:12:35 <yn1v> gbraad, :)
14:12:50 <igorps> yn1v, actually I'm thinking about proposing a bid for a year before the world cup
14:13:05 <yn1v> do we have any other topic?
14:14:04 <igorps> yn1v, we just need an agreement point before closing the meeting
14:14:55 <yn1v> #agreed to support Venezuela for fudcon as it show a more complete bid
14:15:33 <igorps> yn1v, thanks
14:15:56 * gomix smiling silently happy
14:17:00 <yn1v> gomix good that you are smiling, you got a lot of work to do for next year ;)
14:17:16 <gomix> as usual
14:17:22 <igorps> I remember that the final word will come from the FPL
14:17:49 <yn1v> anything else for this meeting ?
14:17:49 <igorps> But I believe that our recommendation is pretty consistent :)
14:18:12 <igorps> not from me
14:18:21 <yn1v> gbraad, ??
14:18:56 <gbraad> not from me
14:18:58 <gbraad> tired after the FAD
14:19:23 <igorps> looking forward to read a report of this!
14:19:24 <yn1v> well, lets end the meeting so gbraad can have some rest
14:19:51 <gbraad> box of t-shirts is now shwapped for a case full of CD and DVD's
14:20:10 <gbraad> for use at the next event
14:20:14 <gbraad> sounds good
14:21:03 <yn1v> meeting ending in 1 minute ...
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14:22:17 <yn1v> #endmeeting