19:03:45 #startmeeting Cloud SIG 19:03:45 Meeting started Fri Oct 21 19:03:45 2011 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:52 #meetingname Cloud SIG 19:03:52 The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig' 19:03:57 #topic Who's here :) 19:03:58 here 19:04:13 * jforbes is here 19:04:53 Well, well, well. 19:04:58 A light crowd today :) 19:05:36 * gholms yawns 19:05:38 * douglax peeking here 19:05:49 hey douglax 19:06:02 Hello everyone 19:06:10 * johnmark waves 19:06:18 hidey ho, folks. 19:06:47 * jsmith lurks 19:07:10 alrighty. 19:07:28 * rbergeron is sweating to death from doing some car-things 19:07:34 #topic EC2 19:07:39 dgilmore: you around? 19:07:44 #chair gholms jforbes 19:07:44 Current chairs: gholms jforbes rbergeron 19:08:12 rbergeron: yesum 19:08:25 dgilmore: i saw you closed the EC2 ticket, thank you for all your work :D 19:08:33 all hail dgilmore :) the long process is over 19:08:56 dgilmore: just wanted to make sure the outstanding issues with ... man pages and language (??? i think) were fixed also? 19:09:45 There's also an issue that showed up during yesterday's testing. 19:09:47 Also: we have this email on the list... 19:09:51 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-October/000878.html 19:09:51 .bug 747692 19:09:53 gholms: Bug 747692 Networking startup failure on EC2, ami-7f5a063a (Cloud test day) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=747692 19:09:57 gholms: go ahead 19:10:03 because you're awesome 19:10:19 I haven't looked at it. I just know it's there. 19:10:30 * gholms isn't sure what the cause is 19:11:18 That was the US west x86_64 image 19:11:38 It happened on the EU ones too (I reported the bug) 19:11:50 verdurin: only on micro though? 19:11:57 http://fpaste.org/wX89/ <-- and this is a yum upgrade issue that our pal spevack noticed at some point back, not sure if that is still an issue or something that got tested for. 19:12:12 jforbes: no, I used the temporary account with "proper" tiers 19:12:18 jforbes: do you know offhand if that is still an issue or not or is there a way for us to quickly test it? 19:12:27 not sure if its' a F16-everything issue, or EC2-only 19:13:02 I tried a yum upgrade on the two I could connect to and it worked fine 19:13:08 rbergeron: yeah, not sure where that is from, EC2 shouldnt have grub installed 19:13:47 spevack: you around? 19:13:50 Would appliance-tools be adding it? 19:14:26 * ke4qqq shows up late 19:14:28 gholms: dont think so, did spevack report that from our images, or from elsewhere? 19:14:42 I was under the impression that it was from our images. 19:15:13 I can fire one up and check, but almost positive grub1 isnt even there 19:15:13 We could probably get him to write an email if someone responds looking for specific answers to specific questions. 19:15:21 hey ke4qqq :) 19:15:26 and mdomsch :) 19:15:44 * mdomsch knows no..ting 19:17:21 :) 19:17:56 okay. So... dgilmore, re: man pages, etc? Can you confirm that stuff is fixed for release day? :) 19:19:05 Sounds like an email would be good. 19:20:22 ke4qqq: howdy :) 19:20:32 okay, well. 19:20:36 I guess we'll come back to that 19:20:43 * rbergeron lol's at kkeithley_afk4as's temporary nick 19:21:03 #topic Test Day Wrapup 19:21:25 So, aside from me now being EXPERT at giving out ec2 accounts using euca2ools and stuff 19:21:39 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-20_Cloud_SIG_Test_Day 19:21:44 #info Did find some possible EC2 bugs. 19:21:54 Okay, it does seem to have grub1 installed, and it is now replacing it with grub2 on yum update 19:23:08 We didn't have really anyone test out hekafs, which is a bummer, though I wonder if it is just related to people not wanting to deal with doing things on multiple pieces of hw? 19:23:10 that was supposed to be kkeithley_awk4asec 19:23:29 rbergeron: ive not made a new compose yet 19:23:29 hard to say 19:23:57 I put a note in #gluster 19:23:59 rbergeron: but i have changed the kickstarts to install docs and languages 19:24:10 dgilmore: okay, cool, that's what I wanted to hear :) thank you :) 19:24:27 rbergeron: that's a pretty typical thing from virt test days too, no one tests migration. I guess people generally dedicate 1 machine to test day 19:24:27 #info EC2 kickstarts are updated to install docs and languages now, thanks dgilmore! 19:25:16 and not really a way around that, i guess, wrt multiple machines? 19:25:55 gholms: so the output in the console in that bug is actually normal 19:26:12 So, the good news is, spevack's bug seems to be fixed, yum update does replace grub1 with grub2, but works correctly and causes no issues 19:26:14 I see. 19:26:40 jforbes: it may be bandaided over 19:26:42 I do all my testing w/ qemu/kvm guests. That's going to be more and more common with clustering and cloudy things 19:26:51 jforbes: we really need to not install grub at all 19:27:03 and just write out a grub1 style config file 19:27:12 likely it should be owned by cloud-init 19:27:13 dgilmore: perhaps, but EC2 is not the only place this is an issue, so the bandaid is valid too 19:28:01 jforbes: we are likely to hit issues down the road if we have both grub1 and grub2 config files. grubby has been really buggy in that regard 19:28:27 kkeithley: maybe we'd get more help in the future if we have more detailed instructions available as to how to do that on vm's? I dunno. 19:28:32 * rbergeron feels bad we couldn't get you more testing 19:28:40 dgilmore: I was wondering why grub was installed at all 19:28:40 rbergeron: sorry ill shut up now 19:28:52 dgilmore: no biggy, feel free to talk :) 19:29:06 mdomsch: have you had a moment to look at the openstack test day results at all? 19:29:11 johnmark: its installed because applicance-creator forces it to be 19:29:23 dgilmore: ah! well then.. 19:29:26 johnmark: i need to fix that before i make rc images 19:29:29 rbergeron: I was just now actually. Things look better than I would have thought. 19:29:34 kudos to markmc for all his efforts there 19:29:42 * rbergeron nods 19:30:09 I didn't get test cases for keystone written; I've only smoke-tested it so far (e.g. run 'keystone', does it start or crash immediately) 19:30:10 maybe VMs are too bleeding edge, but I first used VMware, gee, eight or nine years ago, so it doesn't feel so bleeding edge to me 19:30:15 and now it doesn't crash immediately... 19:30:59 VMs work a whole lot better now than they did nine years ago too. 19:31:08 yes they do. :) 19:31:17 mdomsch: progress++, eh? 19:32:02 * jmw-vm-guest is now a VM running on the johnmark hypervisor 19:32:23 * rbergeron raises an eyebrow 19:32:24 but will he pass a turing test? 19:32:29 heck no. 19:32:34 :) 19:32:41 kkeithley: that assumes I would have before ;) 19:32:50 :-) 19:33:43 okay. 19:33:45 So: 19:34:07 #info Most of teh openstack stuff seems to be working decently; keystone is the only outstanding piece, but is smoke-testing decently now. 19:35:37 Ummm. 19:35:42 Okay, I'll move on then 19:35:50 #topic Any Other Business? 19:36:10 * rbergeron would like to thank gholms a LOT for his help in getting all the IAM primers and ec2 primer written. 19:36:14 EPIC JOB. 19:37:46 jmw-vm-guest: I guess I should start hanging out in #gluster too 19:38:14 kkeithley: we won't mind :) 19:38:25 jmw-vm-guest: dude, your nick is going to kill me 19:38:25 * gholms returns from lunch 19:38:32 gholms: i should have bought you that lunch! 19:38:53 rbergeron: Maybe next time there's a fudcon or something ;) 19:38:53 lol 19:38:57 ok... fine 19:39:13 gholms: yes. 19:39:24 THAT FUDCON THING YOU SHOULD ALL SIGN UP FOR 19:39:32 gholms: are you going to come again this year? 19:39:37 i signed up! \o/ 19:39:37 * gholms needs to ask $dayjob 19:39:41 and bringing obino? 19:39:46 and that other guy 19:39:49 what's his name again 19:40:04 the guy who couldn't come last year because of some TOTALLY LAME EXCUSE 19:40:20 Oh, I thought you meant gregdek. 19:40:22 oh, i'm mocking someone who's not even here 19:40:35 I did mean gregdek 19:40:39 :P 19:40:45 poor guy 19:41:33 nhl all star weekend in raleigh is no excuse 19:41:43 anyway, i'd mock more, but he's not here. 19:41:49 rbergeron: R U SHUR? 19:42:00 gholms: find out, if they won't, we'll get it figured out. 19:42:18 :) 19:42:25 * rbergeron looks around for anyone who has anything to discuss 19:42:43 rbergeron: I'll make a plug for the Cloud Guide 19:42:59 Just wanted to thank everyone for putting the Test Day together - will do more testing when I have time 19:43:00 #chair jsmith 19:43:00 Current chairs: gholms jforbes jsmith rbergeron 19:43:01 go for it 19:43:09 #topic Cloud Guide 19:43:15 verdurin: Thanks for testing! 19:43:23 If folks here want to help flesh out sections of the Cloud Guide, please just write up what you can in a wiki 19:43:37 IS THERE A LINK TO THIS CLOUD GUIDE? just curious 19:43:38 The Docs team and I will help get it from wiki text into DocBook and into the guide 19:43:46 rbergeron: Yeah, let me grab it 19:44:03 #link http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Cloud_Guide/index.html 19:44:17 Right now, it's mostly an outline, but we're slowing working at filling in the blanks 19:45:08 * rbergeron nods 19:45:20 #info If you want to help flesh out sections of the CLoud guide, please write up what you can in a wiki. 19:45:30 Been there, done that. 19:45:32 What part of the wiki would be appropriate, how to pass the info along to you guys? 19:45:37 gholms: you're awesome 19:45:39 I hope to have gholms stuff done early next week 19:45:40 did i say that? 19:45:40 :-) 19:45:48 jsmith: Thanks for doing that. 19:45:54 * jsmith will say it as well -- gholms is da bomb 19:46:44 alrighty. 19:46:46 ANYTHING ELSE? 19:46:53 it's freaking friday. Oy. 19:47:27 [The Kool-Aid man bursts through the wall] 19:47:55 Okay, that's my cute. 19:47:57 err 19:47:58 cue. 19:48:01 And that was very cute. 19:48:02 ;) 19:48:11 Thanks for coming, everyone! 19:48:19 * rbergeron will just start counting backwards randomly until she feels like ending the meeting 19:48:28 Indeed. thank you guys :) 19:48:36 * gholms will just end the meeting if it takes too long 19:48:39 for test day, coming today, everything else :) 19:48:40 adios 19:48:40 OOH 19:48:44 one two three four 19:48:47 let's have an end war! 19:48:50 That's forwards! 19:48:52 #endmeeting