15:02:56 <Kevin_Kofler> #startmeeting KDE SIG meeting 2011-10-25
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15:03:06 <Kevin_Kofler> #meetingname kde-sig
15:03:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
15:03:15 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic roll call
15:03:20 <Kevin_Kofler> So, who's present?
15:03:23 * Kevin_Kofler is, obviously.
15:03:51 * jreznik is present
15:04:01 <jreznik> (just leaving soon...)
15:04:03 * siddvicious is present
15:04:20 * than is present
15:05:08 <Kevin_Kofler> #chair jreznik than rdieter_laptop
15:05:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik rdieter_laptop than
15:05:57 <Kevin_Kofler> #info Kevin_Kofler, jreznik, siddvicious, than present
15:06:08 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Agenda
15:06:17 <Kevin_Kofler> So, the wiki page is totally blank…
15:06:47 * rnovacek is late here
15:06:47 <Kevin_Kofler> #chair rnovacek
15:06:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik rdieter_laptop rnovacek than
15:06:56 <Kevin_Kofler> #info rnovacek present (late)
15:07:07 <Kevin_Kofler> I have a topic: F16 Blockers.
15:07:13 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=F16Blocker-kde
15:07:20 * jreznik is not doing a good job in maintanace of wiki/meetings but should be better again soon
15:07:25 <Kevin_Kofler> Anything else?
15:09:21 <Kevin_Kofler> #info Agenda: F16 Blockers (and that's all)
15:09:35 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic F16 Blockers – https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=F16Blocker-kde
15:10:18 <Kevin_Kofler> So Fedora 16 is now in RC phase, meaning only blocker or accepted "nice to have" bugs will get fixed for the release, everything else can only go out as 0-day updates or not at all.
15:10:27 <Kevin_Kofler> Our blocker tracker is almost clear.
15:10:36 <Kevin_Kofler> What's left is this one:
15:10:43 <Kevin_Kofler> .bug 731245
15:10:45 <zodbot> Kevin_Kofler: Bug 731245 KDE fails to start inside a VM , large amount of memory [@ miCopyRegion] - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=731245
15:11:14 <Kevin_Kofler> The problem there is that it's crashing deep inside X11, so we probably can't do much about this.
15:11:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Otherwise we seem to be good to go.
15:12:06 <Kevin_Kofler> So, does anybody have anything else to add re F16?
15:12:43 <than> Kevin_Kofler: does it only crash with qxl driver?
15:12:52 <siddvicious> and which version of calligra will be there in f16 ?
15:12:53 <than> oder with cirrus too
15:13:09 <than> s/oder/or
15:13:12 <Kevin_Kofler> AFAIK, both cirrus and qxl are crashing. :-(
15:13:25 <Kevin_Kofler> vesa works.
15:13:43 <Kevin_Kofler> At least qxl works if you use QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native, but that is not really supported with Qt 4.8 and has other issues.
15:13:54 * rdieter_laptop here
15:14:19 <rdieter_laptop> siddvicious: no calligra yet, it's still pending pkg review (and needs a lot more packaging work, honestly)
15:14:20 <than> ah ok
15:14:35 <siddvicious> ah okay
15:14:36 <Kevin_Kofler> (No idea whether cirrus also works with QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native or not.)
15:14:47 <siddvicious> i work with krita upstream
15:15:00 <Kevin_Kofler> siddvicious: And it's not stable upstream yet, it's still in beta or RC phase.
15:15:04 <rdieter_laptop> siddvicious: as things progress, will continue to provide builds in kde-unstable repo
15:15:15 <Kevin_Kofler> (Now Qt 4.8 is still RC too, but we didn't know that when we imported it. :-( )
15:15:34 <siddvicious> hm, if any help would be needed i would be there for it
15:15:37 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: RC should be ok
15:16:07 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: It's mostly OK, our Qt regression tracker is clear, the only problem is that VM issue.
15:16:55 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: the VM issue is bad one :( we should target on it - I should have again much more time to spend on kde, so I'll put it as #1 issue to solve :)
15:18:27 <Kevin_Kofler> #info Our only blocker is #731245 (KDE fails to start inside a VM).
15:18:38 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Open Discussion
15:18:51 <Kevin_Kofler> So, anything else to discuss?
15:19:29 <Kevin_Kofler> (siddvicious: FYI, please next time wait for the Open Discussion section to discuss things which are not in the agenda, or ask them added to the agenda at the beginning of the meeting. It's a bit chaotic if we discuss everything at the same time.)
15:19:29 <nphilipp> Kevin_Kofler: the kpackagekit/utf-8 thing -- I wanted to try things out before committing but apparently ran into the crash you just mentioned
15:20:04 <siddvicious> ahm okay sorry was my first meeting
15:20:37 <Kevin_Kofler> nphilipp: Try the vesa (Basic Graphics) mode.
15:21:03 <Kevin_Kofler> (And yes, this sucks, the crash is marked as a release blocker for a reason.)
15:21:05 <nphilipp> Kevin_Kofler: via xorg.conf?
15:21:11 <Kevin_Kofler> Yes.
15:21:22 <nphilipp> ok thanks
15:21:36 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't know if the VM drivers are using KMS, if they are, you may also need nomodeset as a kernel boot parameter.
15:22:02 <Kevin_Kofler> (In that case, nomodeset will normally also force vesa, but it's best to force it explicitly in xorg.conf.)
15:22:09 <rnovacek> nphilipp: you can also switch graphics driver in virt-manager
15:24:03 <Kevin_Kofler> That said, I'd expect gnome-packagekit to also show question marks in update notes when they include non-ASCII characters. gnome-packagekit just doesn't support dynamic/comps categories, only PackageKit's hardcoded groups.
15:24:16 <Kevin_Kofler> So the group name issue isn't visible there.
15:24:59 <Kevin_Kofler> nphilipp: Oh, BTW, KPackageKit is now called Apper, the rename has entered F16 Final, so look for Apper in the menu if you're using the very latest F16.
15:26:39 <Kevin_Kofler> So, last chance to bring up another topic for discussion.
15:26:46 <Kevin_Kofler> (If not, I'll close the meeting early.)
15:28:56 <Kevin_Kofler> #info Calligra will not be in F16, it's not released by upstream nor reviewed in Fedora yet.
15:29:28 <Kevin_Kofler> #info To test the KDE spin in a VM, you have to use the vesa graphics driver for now.
15:29:32 <nphilipp> Kevin_Kofler: sure, thanks.
15:29:46 <Kevin_Kofler> #info No other topics, closing meeting early.
15:29:48 <Kevin_Kofler> #endmeeting