21:00:57 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight
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21:01:03 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
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21:01:07 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:01:14 <asrob> hi
21:01:41 <zoltanh721> hi guys
21:01:47 <stickster> hi asrob, hi zoltanh721!
21:01:49 <stickster> #chair asrob zoltanh721
21:01:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob stickster zoltanh721
21:02:18 * stickster is really unprepared for today's meeting. Sorry about that -- time crunch at $DAYJOB.
21:02:34 <asrob> stickster, no problem
21:02:52 <zoltanh721> np stickster, don't worry
21:03:03 <stickster> I basically had three things I was thinking about for today's meeting: (1) Office hours; (2) FUDCon; (3) Development leadership.
21:03:12 <stickster> Does anyone want to add to that agenda?
21:03:30 <zoltanh721> !
21:04:22 <zoltanh721> Testing site has been launched, we need recommendations to further test cases
21:04:35 <zoltanh721> eof
21:04:47 <stickster> Let's tackle that first then
21:04:55 <stickster> #topic Test site + test cases
21:05:22 <zoltanh721> ok
21:05:25 <stickster> zoltanh721: Why don't you and asrob talk a bit about why we're using asrob
21:05:27 <stickster> oops
21:05:55 <stickster> zoltanh721: Why don't you and asrob talk a bit about why we're using asrob's site -- We have an insight02.dev site available, but it doesn't matter to me where the development takes place as long as it's community accessible.
21:06:59 <asrob> stickster, that's my instance, I'd like to push it to insight02.dev as soon as possible
21:07:29 <stickster> asrob: What do you need to happen before you can do that?
21:08:14 <asrob> I wanted to test that a couple of days in order to it is running very well
21:09:01 <asrob> I didn't want to mess our insight02.dev instance
21:09:44 <stickster> asrob: The insight02.dev instance is on puppet, and I believe it has backup_migrate available
21:10:05 <stickster> So you should be able to back things up, and if something goes terribly, horribly wrong, it shouldn't be hard to restore.
21:10:22 <asrob> ohh... okay, that's good
21:10:45 <zoltanh721> stickster: we are brainstorming and talking about new ideas, possible expasion ways for insight
21:10:51 <zoltanh721> too
21:10:59 <stickster> zoltanh721: Let's talk about that when we get to my topic (3)
21:11:02 <stickster> and (2)
21:11:13 <stickster> I'm very interested in that topic
21:11:38 <stickster> Is there anything else we want to discuss about the test site? Should we set an action for this now, or is it just info only?
21:12:07 <asrob> yes, we should set an action
21:12:24 <asrob> I would like to test it on insight02.dev ;)
21:12:39 <zoltanh721> Me either
21:12:42 <zoltanh721> :)
21:13:04 <asrob> but I need help in puppet managing/configuring/etc-etc
21:13:47 <stickster> asrob: It's time for you to learn that stuff, yeah
21:13:58 <asrob> stickster, yeah
21:14:17 <stickster> asrob: I can help you, just need to set a time to do it. And you need to find out from nirik what memberships you need to help with it.
21:14:34 <asrob> okay, I'll ask him
21:15:00 <stickster> #action asrob Get with nirik to find out what privileges are needed to help with puppetization of insight* hosts
21:15:30 <stickster> #action asrob Schedule time with stickster so we can go over how to make and test changes in puppet
21:15:43 <stickster> Anything else on this subject?
21:16:04 <asrob> nothing
21:16:15 <zoltanh721> please continue
21:16:17 <stickster> #topic Office hours
21:16:41 <stickster> OK, I sent some thoughts back to the list on this, and some suggestions. asrob, can you #info the hours you were proposing here into the log?
21:17:08 <asrob> sure
21:18:24 <asrob> #info asrob will work on drupal 7 theme for Insight at the next office hours, Thursday 21:00 UTC
21:19:12 <asrob> then, next week, I would like to work with John Dulaney on our FAS module
21:19:26 <stickster> Cool!
21:19:34 <asrob> can I put this into the log?
21:19:41 <stickster> Absolutely!!!
21:19:45 <asrob> ok
21:20:37 <asrob> #info asrob would like to work with John Dulaney(j_dulaney) on Insight FAS module
21:20:44 <asrob> oops
21:20:45 <asrob> #undo
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21:20:53 * stickster <3 #undo
21:21:25 <asrob> #info asrob would like to work with John Dulaney(j_dulaney) on Insight FAS module at the next week in the same time
21:22:02 <stickster> Excellent
21:22:17 <stickster> asrob: It sounds like you really have some plans for how to spend some hours over the next couple of weeks.
21:22:29 <asrob> stickster, yeah
21:23:06 <stickster> I sent some ideas about blogging the office hours to the list... basically, mizmo has done some really good blogs for the Design team in the past to give community updates, and they are a good template to follow
21:23:08 <asrob> I would like to push it as far as I can
21:23:16 <stickster> (You don't have to do all the drawings, obviously!) :-)
21:23:22 <asrob> ;)
21:23:54 <stickster> She always covers: (a) A problem statement, what are we trying to accomplish? (b) What have we done already? (c) What do we still need to finish? (d) What you, the reader, can do to help
21:24:35 <asrob> wow, these are good points
21:24:43 <asrob> thank you for the link
21:25:04 <stickster> Anyway, that's just a suggestion. The design team seems to do pretty well having people respond to those blogs
21:25:49 <asrob> it seems it works, I'll follow them ;)
21:26:05 <stickster> #link http://mairin.wordpress.com/category/fedora/fedora-design-team/ <-- helpful examples of community info blogs
21:26:32 <stickster> asrob: Are office hours in #fedora-mktg?
21:26:39 <asrob> stickster, yeah
21:26:44 <stickster> #info Insight office hours are in #fedora-mktg!
21:26:59 <stickster> I will definitely be camped, although I can't promise I'll be there, unfortunately
21:27:25 <asrob> no problem
21:27:27 <stickster> But, that does bring me to the next subject...
21:27:33 <stickster> anything else on this one?
21:27:39 <asrob> -
21:27:49 <stickster> #topic FUDCon Blacksburg
21:28:05 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012 <-- event wiki page
21:28:10 <stickster> #info stickster will be there!
21:28:28 <asrob> #info asrob will be here as well
21:29:37 <stickster> Excellent! I look forward to it. You can heckle me and tell people the REAL truth at the Drupal internals session
21:30:05 <asrob> :)
21:30:46 <stickster> asrob: I should be able to be around for at least part of the day on Sunday
21:30:54 <stickster> I will probably need to leave by early afternoon to drive home
21:31:04 <asrob> I see
21:31:14 <stickster> I have to work on Monday, then I leave Tuesday early in the morning to fly up to Boston
21:31:51 <stickster> asrob: Is it your intention to have a list of use cases for us to hack on when we get together Sunday?
21:32:23 <asrob> yeah
21:32:51 <asrob> I would like to finish our short term goals
21:33:42 <asrob> here is the list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_use_cases_for_calendar
21:34:16 <stickster> asrob: So the intention is for that "Near term" list to be ready for FUDCon, and we'll try to actually make all those things work by the end of the event?
21:34:54 <asrob> stickster, yeah
21:35:30 <stickster> #info We intend to make everything on the near term list on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_use_cases_for_calendar work by the end of FUDCon -- or try valiantly
21:35:48 <stickster> I think that's a great use of time there. Drupal hackfest!
21:35:56 <stickster> Er, Insight hackfest :-)
21:36:00 <asrob> :D
21:36:42 <stickster> asrob: Are office hours connected to that list at all? In other words, are you encouraging people to drop in on office hours to discuss that list?
21:37:20 <asrob> yeah, I wrote a few email to the list
21:37:54 <stickster> asrob: Realize that the list only reaches a small cross section of the Fedora community
21:38:22 <stickster> Maybe zoltanh721 can help spread word and make sure you have people to provide input you need
21:38:38 <asrob> do I send it to another lists?
21:39:21 <asrob> maybe I'll ask people on #fedora-social
21:39:48 <asrob> or #fedora
21:39:50 <stickster> asrob: I wouldn't recommend that :-)
21:39:55 <zoltanh721> stickster - I would like to do posts, calls for testing and do writings about changes - if it's fit to you guys
21:40:06 <asrob> stickster, ok :)
21:40:15 <stickster> asrob: I would recommend that we look at the near term list, figure out who can offer valuable input, and target those groups
21:40:30 <zoltanh721> maybe we should do regularly annoucements
21:40:46 <stickster> asrob: For Fedora team meetings, that's pretty much anyone who's an active contributor. Those people generally read the Planet, so a reminder announcement on a blog post there would probably help
21:41:00 <stickster> zoltanh721: Absolutely, that's always helpful.
21:41:08 <asrob> ah yes, you are right
21:41:19 <stickster> Not everyone sees every announcement, so repeating them (as long as it's not too often or on too wide a list) is not a bad idea.
21:41:46 <stickster> For the Fedora release schedule, the logistics list is probably the right place, because most people who are working actively in the release team see that list. If they don't they should see the Planet
21:42:10 <stickster> And for the Fedora Events near term use... Ambassadors are probably going to be able to offer some valuable input there as well
21:42:31 <stickster> So that would argue again for Planet + perhaps ambassadors list + marketing list
21:42:39 <zoltanh721> and also FWN?
21:42:49 <stickster> Sure, I don't see why not zoltanh721 :-)
21:43:05 <zoltanh721> How can I make there an article?
21:43:14 <asrob> :)
21:43:34 <stickster> zoltanh721: You can talk to pcalarco and/or other news team members through their list: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/news
21:43:41 <zoltanh721> thx
21:43:45 <zoltanh721> I'll do it
21:44:09 <stickster> #action zoltanh721 will reach out to FWN staff
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21:44:27 <stickster> #action zoltanh721 will reach out to FWN staff to remind them about Insight office hours and use cases we are trying to tackle for FUDCon
21:45:02 <zoltanh721> ok
21:45:07 <asrob> cool
21:46:19 <zoltanh721> Is there any possibility to release magazine that everyone reads? Can I make an such PDF sample?
21:46:32 <stickster> zoltanh721: I think that's probably outside the topic of this meeting
21:46:39 <zoltanh721> sorry
21:46:39 <stickster> But you could bring it up on the marketing list.
21:46:56 <stickster> Should we move on?
21:47:00 <zoltanh721> eof
21:47:02 <asrob> yes, we should
21:47:08 <zoltanh721> yes
21:47:13 <stickster> asrob: Are you taking care of announcement on planet and those other lists?
21:47:28 <asrob> stickster, yes, I am
21:48:12 <stickster> #action asrob send reminder announcements for office hours in a blog on Planet, + logistics, ambassadors, marketing list as appropriate
21:48:16 <stickster> #undo
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21:48:30 <stickster> #action asrob send reminder announcements for office hours in a blog on Planet, + logistics, ambassadors, marketing list as appropriate -- explain desire for input on use cases that match the audience
21:48:45 <stickster> OK, that brings us to the last bit
21:48:49 <stickster> #topic Development leadership
21:49:43 <stickster> I want to put a bug in your ears :-) early about this. I think FUDCon gives us a natural "inflection point" for the development of Insight. I'll be in one place with asrob, who is clearly has been the other most involved person in our development work
21:49:55 <stickster> s/is clearly/clearly/
21:50:05 <asrob> :)
21:51:33 <stickster> So that would be not only a good time for our hackfest, but also to make sure that we have good leadership for Insight in 2012. As you guys have noticed, my $DAYJOB is leaving me a lot less time for Insight these days. And I don't want the project to slow down waiting for me to have time.
21:53:09 <stickster> Hoepfully we can do three things at FUDCon then, besides the hackfest: (1) encourage some additional people to learn about and contribute to Insight development; (2) Encourage others to also think of other ways we could apply Drupal in the Fedora Project, and develop more PHP experience in the infra team; (3) make sure asrob (or someone else, if he doesn't want to) has the ability to lead Insight in 2012
21:53:44 * stickster eof -- thoughts?
21:54:38 <stickster> That was pretty long :-)
21:54:50 <asrob> well, these points are good but I hope you will lead our team
21:55:32 <asrob> but I completely understand that you are so busy sometimes(?)
21:56:10 <stickster> asrob: I can definitely help arrange things at FUDCon and keep things moving along. But what I'm saying is, I feel like we're very slow at getting things done because someone has to wait for me to finish something, or thinks they have to
21:57:07 <stickster> And it looks like my time will get even shorter after January
21:57:33 <asrob> yeah, we're slow a little bit, but I hope we'll speed up soon
21:57:45 <stickster> So I think it's vital to make sure that at least you, and hopefully some other people, have the ability to do things without me when needed
21:58:07 <stickster> But right along with that, we need to have other people involved. I think the two things go together.
21:58:18 <asrob> +1
21:58:47 <stickster> First, need to make sure nothing blocks on me. Second, need to get other people interested and involved in helping.
21:59:05 <stickster> I think very little is blocked on me now, and most of it we can fix in the next few weeks like puppet
21:59:12 <stickster> So that's it from me
21:59:18 <stickster> Anything else before we close?
21:59:49 <asrob> I got it, I will help you in puppet thing and we'll talk about this at FUDCon
22:00:09 <stickster> I think that's good enough for today then!
22:00:14 <asrob> right
22:00:16 <stickster> Shall we adjourn?
22:00:32 <asrob> yep
22:00:34 <stickster> zoltanh721: asrob: Thanks for being here and for helping!
22:00:42 <zoltanh721> yor welcome
22:00:45 * stickster will send notes directly afterward
22:00:49 <stickster> #endmeeting