19:00:17 <rbergeron> #startmeeting cloud sig meeting
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19:00:31 <rbergeron> #meetingname cloud sig meeting
19:00:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig_meeting'
19:00:34 * gholms detects a phone keyboard
19:01:05 <rbergeron> yay
19:01:09 <rbergeron> #chair gholms
19:01:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms rbergeron
19:01:15 <rbergeron> totally
19:01:22 <rbergeron> and i was walking
19:01:25 <rbergeron> so.
19:01:31 <rbergeron> #topic who's here?
19:01:38 * gholms lurks
19:01:50 * mull is here
19:01:56 * ke4qqq is here
19:01:57 * jforbes is here
19:02:34 <rbergeron> mull :) hiya
19:02:39 <rbergeron> hi guys
19:02:44 <mull> hi, rbergeron
19:02:51 <rbergeron> may be short today, we shall see.
19:03:11 <rbergeron> #topic topics to discuss today
19:03:18 * rbergeron seeks input
19:03:46 <rbergeron> anyone? come on now :)
19:04:02 <jforbes> shortest meeting ever!
19:04:08 * gholms recommends bacon
19:04:08 <jdarcy> Jello everyone.
19:04:08 <rbergeron> .....may be super short
19:04:11 <rbergeron> ooh
19:04:12 <rbergeron> jello
19:04:14 <rbergeron> mmmm
19:04:19 * rbergeron loves peach jello
19:04:20 <gholms> Jello is also good.
19:05:10 * russellb does a little dance
19:05:25 <rbergeron> jdarcy: tell us how great your bof was the other night :)
19:05:44 <jdarcy> Uh, well, the (small) room was overflowing.
19:06:07 <jdarcy> There seemed to be a good reception, other that the MogileFS fan who had clearly come for no reason to bash Gluster.
19:06:26 <rbergeron> mmmm
19:06:26 <rbergeron> trolls
19:06:45 <jdarcy> Based on a version 2.5yo, and his own clearly-contraindicated stomping of the server filesystems while they're mounted.
19:06:57 * herlo is here, lurking as well
19:07:01 <rbergeron> #info great receptopn at glusterfs bof at LISA
19:07:05 <rbergeron> very cool
19:07:07 <rbergeron> hi herlo
19:07:11 <herlo> :)
19:07:21 <jdarcy> But I got some great pings from other people, and then spent three hours in the hall talking to people who *want* to loan us gear for testing.
19:07:25 <rbergeron> jdarcy: did johnmark wrestle him to the ground?
19:07:33 <jdarcy> Hundreds of nodes, SSDs, QDR IB, the works.
19:07:38 <rbergeron> jdarcy: awesome
19:08:04 <rbergeron> jdarcy: well, have fun with that. lol
19:08:25 <rbergeron> okay, i'll pick a random topic
19:08:30 <rbergeron> #topic openstack
19:08:33 <jdarcy> That kept me up until 1am, then I had a 7am meeting the next morning.
19:08:41 <rbergeron> russellb: would you like to report in? :)
19:08:51 <jdarcy> Oh, and looks like I'll be doing a talk at the next LISA, about wide-area filesystems.
19:09:20 <rbergeron> cool :)
19:09:27 * rbergeron looks at russellb
19:09:34 <russellb> not a whole lot to report on, i'm afraid
19:10:06 <rbergeron> fair enough :)
19:10:32 * rbergeron sspects it must be close to the holidays
19:10:36 <russellb> yes.
19:10:48 <russellb> markmc sent out an OpenStack status email to fedora-cloud a couple of days ago
19:10:57 * rbergeron nods
19:10:58 <russellb> i'd link to it but list server is down it appears
19:11:13 <rbergeron> yeah
19:11:46 <rbergeron> okay, well, thanks :)
19:12:01 <rbergeron> #info openstack status mail was onlist a few days ago
19:12:17 <rbergeron> #topic other things
19:12:30 <rbergeron> mull: anything to report/ask yet?
19:12:46 <mull> rbergeron, I got a couple more java packages built
19:12:56 <mull> and finally made my work-in-progress gwt stuff public
19:13:26 <rbergeron> ah
19:13:32 <mull> I should have everything _except_ gwt in that dep chain up for review next week
19:14:06 <mull> no point in having gwt itself reviewed, though, since it's broken (it builds, but doesn't function properly)
19:15:07 <rbergeron> cool, yeah i saw you discussing it with seth the other day
19:15:58 <rbergeron> well, keep us approsed :)
19:16:06 <rbergeron> apprised
19:16:09 <rbergeron> rather
19:16:15 * rbergeron is typing on phone
19:16:23 <mull> yep, will do.  probably will do a bunch of packaging over the holidays
19:16:56 <rbergeron> yay holidays
19:16:59 <rbergeron> :)
19:17:11 <rbergeron> coolio, thx :)
19:17:38 <rbergeron> #info euca packaging making progress, hopefully moar over holidays
19:17:45 <rbergeron> #topic other, other things
19:18:01 * rbergeron looks around again for interesting topics or victims
19:18:16 <gholms> Do any of you use boxgrinder to build non-EBS EC2 images?
19:18:44 <gholms> Or would you be interested in doing so?  I need testers for a possible bugfix that prevents that from working.
19:19:16 <gholms> hhenry encountered it, but the time zone difference makes collaboration difficult.
19:19:43 <rbergeron> is there a specific use case that might be interesting to some people there?
19:19:47 <rbergeron> (why would i)
19:20:03 <rbergeron> (use non-ebs images)
19:20:30 <gholms> You aren't charged for I/O on the boot filesystem of non-EBS images.
19:20:32 <jforbes> rbergeron: easy fall back
19:21:05 <gholms> It's also the older method of making images, so older stuff may simply expect that.
19:21:06 <jforbes> rbergeron: for dumb images where you need to scale out it is easier to use S3 to launch
19:21:34 <rbergeron> ahhh
19:22:22 <rbergeron> gholms: perhaps mail would work better today
19:22:23 <jforbes> Say in the instance where I need web front ends, that need no state, but pull their content from a much larger DB server... I can launch as many as I need with S3, and dont have to worry about maintaining EBS volumes
19:22:24 <rbergeron> :/
19:22:40 <rbergeron> jforbes: ahhh, yes
19:23:52 <rbergeron> well then
19:24:33 <mull> IMHO, BFEBS is not actually a very "cloudy" way of doing things... it's just easier for beginners to grok.  for reason jforbes mentioned, non-EBS is typically better
19:24:49 <gholms> I'm just asking because we have a lot of users here. :)
19:24:58 <gholms> If no one here is up for testing it then that's fine.
19:25:04 <rbergeron> gholms: :)
19:25:10 <mull> gholms, I'll test, fo course. :)
19:25:22 * ke4qqq thinks it depends on the use case - there are cases where instances aren't/shouldn't be ephemeral - but yes it's not the current traditional 'cloudy use case'
19:26:43 <rbergeron> :)
19:27:03 <rbergeron> alllrighty then
19:27:04 <mull> ke4qqq, I'm sure there are legitimate use cases for BFEBS, but usually a line can be drawn can be drawn between the ephemeral and the persistent data.
19:27:16 <rbergeron> oh, more discussion
19:27:21 * rbergeron watches
19:27:25 <mull> lol
19:28:11 <rbergeron> #topic last call
19:28:12 <ke4qqq> mull: indeed - or if you really don't want truly ephemeral you can do backing stores so there's the same 'root disk, but only a single copy' and do cow for any local stuff - and then do data
19:28:16 * ke4qqq shuts up
19:28:20 <rbergeron> man, i cant win
19:28:23 <mull> :-)
19:28:27 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: go on if you want
19:28:29 <rbergeron> :)
19:28:34 <gholms> rbergeron: You are on a phone; you were doomed from the start. :P
19:28:43 <rbergeron> indeed
19:28:48 <ke4qqq> no - /me is about to have to bail to go to another meeting at 2:30
19:29:02 <rbergeron> but i am winning a bit in that i am eating long john silver's
19:29:05 <rbergeron> :)
19:29:05 <mull> nah, no need for a big debate here... suffice it to say that both BFEBS and BF-non-EBS are important
19:29:24 * ke4qqq agrees
19:30:11 <rbergeron> okay
19:30:14 <rbergeron> soooooooooo
19:30:23 * rbergeron is out of things to discuss for today
19:30:55 <rbergeron> so unless anyone else has stuff
19:30:55 <gholms> [The Kool-Aid man bursts through the wall]
19:30:57 * mdomsch came late as usual
19:31:03 <rbergeron> i am gonna end in a second
19:31:04 <mdomsch> are we on for a meeting / hackfest at FUDCon?
19:31:22 <rbergeron> mdomsch: yes, how openstack focused, i dunno
19:31:27 <mdomsch> k
19:31:40 <rbergeron> but i think some folks will be there from that at a mimum
19:31:44 <rbergeron> minimum
19:31:57 <rbergeron> and euca/cloudstack/aeolus folks as well :)
19:32:05 <rbergeron> and general cloud siggers like me
19:32:11 * jforbes too
19:32:14 * rbergeron will order the pizza
19:32:15 <mull> is mgoldmann signed up ?
19:32:29 * mull looks
19:32:30 <rbergeron> mull: yes
19:32:53 <mull> cool, will be happy to meet him in person
19:33:10 <mull> to talk both Java SIG and BG
19:33:16 <rbergeron> yup :)
19:33:44 <rbergeron> mull: are you driving or flying?
19:33:57 <mull> rbergeron, I hear there's a bus?
19:34:08 <rbergeron> something like that.
19:34:21 <rbergeron> it will be more buslike the more people that sign up
19:34:27 <mull> if I can get a seat, that'd be ideal..  I might actually be flying straight to SB afterward
19:34:41 <ke4qqq> hmmm maybe we should have a cloud bus - we migth have enough folks in the RDU or can get to rDU to pull that off
19:34:49 <rbergeron> okay. i will ping u a bit later with details
19:34:56 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: ruth is organizing rdu travel
19:35:03 <rbergeron> she will call it whatever you want
19:35:15 <rbergeron> if you provide drinks on the bus
19:35:17 <rbergeron> lol
19:35:20 <rbergeron> :)
19:35:36 <rbergeron> or rent the bus as a donation :)
19:35:38 <mull> gholms, did you book travel?
19:36:13 <gholms> Erf, not yet...  :(
19:36:15 <jdarcy> BFEBS?
19:36:26 <jforbes> And no artichoke liquor!
19:36:29 * rbergeron notes the hotel block closes dec 28
19:36:46 * jforbes won't actually be on the bus, but I would rather not have everyone nauseated when they get there
19:37:20 <rbergeron> yes, nauseation only happens in the hotel with leftover liquor
19:37:27 <ianweller> a[B[B[B[B
19:37:32 <ianweller> stupid irssi
19:37:35 * rbergeron looks at ianweller
19:37:46 <ianweller> this is what i get for putting my ssh in the cloud
19:37:49 * ianweller waltzes out
19:37:50 * gholms pictures the cart of leftover liquor from FUDCon Tempe
19:37:56 <jforbes> Cynar is just generally bad
19:37:58 <ianweller> gholms: oh god
19:38:06 <gholms> ianweller: Yeeessss
19:38:12 <jforbes> gholms: with everyone snowed in, there wasn't much
19:38:28 <jforbes> I know we took care of a good deal of it
19:38:37 <gholms> Ah, right.  Y'all got stuck there.
19:39:07 <rbergeron> "stuck"
19:39:15 <rbergeron> so sad to stay where it's sunny
19:39:36 <rbergeron> we circumvented that problem this year
19:39:38 <rbergeron> :)
19:39:49 <rbergeron> anyway
19:39:57 * rbergeron is gonna end meeting and drive home
19:40:02 <jforbes> rbergeron: had I no family waiting at home for my return, I would have remained happily "stuck" there as long as necessary :)
19:40:11 <rbergeron> :)
19:40:33 <rbergeron> bye guys :)
19:40:38 <rbergeron> #endmeeting