20:01:14 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2011-12-14
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20:01:44 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors 2011-12-14
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20:01:45 <cwickert> #topic Role call
20:01:51 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:01:52 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:02:18 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:02:19 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:03:34 <cwickert> rsc, Affix, biertie, delhage, dmaphy, fab, fcami, giallu, gnokii, heffer, ixs, kital and all other ambassadors: Please join us for the meeting
20:03:44 * cwickert suggests to wait a little until people show up
20:04:50 <jsmith> cwickert: Sorry, I'm in another meeting, so I won't be around for today's meeting
20:05:12 <cwickert> jsmith: np
20:05:46 <t2hot> ????
20:06:04 <t2hot> started?
20:06:17 <cwickert> t2hot: yes, but nobody is here
20:06:22 <cwickert> except thunderbirdtr and you
20:06:37 <cwickert> that is my fault because I set the reminder out too late :(
20:06:38 <t2hot> hmm
20:06:58 <thunderbirdtr> can you delay ? If possible ?
20:07:07 <thunderbirdtr> If none comes
20:07:12 <t2hot> I think its time we do something about that IRC group ping
20:07:12 <cwickert> I don't think this makes much sense
20:07:21 <cwickert> t2hot: +1
20:07:29 <thunderbirdtr> t2hot, +1
20:07:31 <cwickert> we could delay by an hour
20:07:56 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, +1
20:08:04 <thunderbirdtr> If no one comes
20:08:13 <cwickert> but not more because in 2 hours there is FAmSCo meeting
20:08:36 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: did the package arrive today?
20:08:39 <t2hot> I'm sure attendees are mostly online in one channel or the other
20:08:52 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, No I'm waiting
20:09:01 <cwickert> t2hot: I pinged all EMEA ambassadors I know
20:09:02 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, I think tomorrow it will come ?
20:09:14 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: give it till the end of the week
20:09:29 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, ok
20:11:44 <t2hot> can I ask a question cwickert (while we wait)?
20:12:08 <cwickert> sure t2hot
20:13:08 <t2hot> what exactly is expected of an ambassador when he is representing fedora in a conference?
20:13:37 <t2hot> Or just show up?
20:13:47 <cwickert> t2hot: it depends on the event
20:13:57 <t2hot> idlelo5 for example
20:14:07 <cwickert> I don't know that event
20:14:11 <t2hot> its a fossfa event
20:14:29 <cwickert> so?
20:14:42 <t2hot> http://www.idlelo.net/node/18
20:15:48 <cwickert> I don't really understand your question
20:15:59 <cwickert> I mean, it's on you to decide what you do
20:16:24 <cwickert> it would be cool if you can organize a booth there, but if not, then just attend
20:16:44 <cwickert> only you can decide what is possible
20:16:58 <cwickert> and it seems to be pretty expansive
20:18:15 <cwickert> t2hot: when you go there, we'll sponsor you
20:18:58 <Prometheas> .fas misaakidis
20:18:59 <zodbot> Prometheas: misaakidis 'Marios Isaakidis' <misaakidis@yahoo.gr>
20:19:24 <Prometheas> sorry for being late guys, i saw the reminders a few minutes ago
20:20:17 <cwickert> t2hot: still there?
20:20:21 <t2hot> sure
20:21:03 <t2hot> cwickert: do we have a quorum now?
20:21:43 <cwickert> t2hot: the quorum doesn't really matter as long as we don't make any decisions
20:21:50 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:21:50 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:21:54 <cwickert> we can always have a meeting
20:22:02 <cwickert> ok, 4 people, lets get this started
20:22:14 * jsmith will try to be a half-person
20:22:17 <cwickert> Prometheas: no problem, that was my fault
20:22:36 <cwickert> jsmith: you are no EMEA ambassador, you are not allowed to attend ;)
20:22:37 <Prometheas> it's ok cwickert, so will we have a meeting?
20:22:42 <cwickert> yes,
20:22:45 * t2hot greets gnokii :)
20:22:57 <jsmith> cwickert: Aye aye, captain :-)
20:23:01 <cwickert> thanks everybody for coming
20:23:03 <thunderbirdtr> Hello everyone again
20:23:13 <cwickert> the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-12-14
20:23:37 <cwickert> please follow the meeting protocol, but as we are only a few people, we don't need to follow it too strictly
20:23:47 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:24:15 <cwickert> As you all know we had elections last week
20:25:08 <cwickert> #info Election results: Jaroslav Reznik was re-elected for the board, Christoph Wickert was elected for the first time
20:25:56 <cwickert> #info: FAmSCo now consists of Christoph Wickert, Neville A. Cross, Igor Soares, Clint Savage, Zoltan Hoppar, Gerard Braad and Caius Chance
20:26:54 <cwickert> #info Marcela Mašláňová, Miloslav Trmač, Matthew Garrett and Jon Ciesla were elected for FESCo
20:27:17 <cwickert> the new FAmSCo will hold it's first meeting here in 1,5 hours
20:27:24 <cwickert> you can join us if you like
20:27:29 <cwickert> ok, any more announcements?
20:27:43 <thunderbirdtr> after our meeting ?
20:27:51 <cwickert> #info FAmSCo now meets weekly on Wednesday 22:00 UTC
20:27:57 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: yes
20:28:06 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, thank you
20:28:29 <cwickert> #info FAmSCo meeting time is subject to change because it is hard to find a good time slot that works for everybody
20:28:43 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:29:10 <cwickert> #info F17 ambassadors schedule is now available at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:29:36 <cwickert> and it looks like there is not much to do at the moment
20:29:53 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:30:04 <cwickert> the list of events is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q3
20:30:24 <cwickert> not much happening because of Christmas and holidays
20:30:43 <cwickert> but thunderbirdtr is going to host a release event
20:31:05 <cwickert> more details on that at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F16_Tokat
20:31:30 <cwickert> gnokii: speaking of events: I have spoken to the CLT folks and they came back with a shitload of questions
20:31:42 <gnokii> clt means ronsc?
20:31:51 <gnokii> or with whom did u speak?
20:31:52 <cwickert> we should get together with kital and figure out the details
20:32:09 <cwickert> gnokii: with Maik
20:32:19 <gnokii> hentsche worng person
20:32:36 <cwickert> kital told me to contact him
20:32:51 <cwickert> I'll forwar you Maik's mail
20:32:52 <gnokii> hentsche is responsible for the sponsoring
20:32:58 <cwickert> yes, I know
20:33:17 <cwickert> and sponsoring is important if we want to host a release there
20:33:40 <cwickert> so, how do we want to continue?
20:34:13 <gnokii> talk better directly with sontag vortraege@linux-tage.de
20:34:29 <cwickert> ah, Ralf doesn't really do this AFAIK
20:34:37 <rsc> kital: ping?
20:34:41 <cwickert> I have already been talking to him because of my talk
20:34:44 <gnokii> hentsche is inflexible like a railway
20:34:46 <cwickert> rsc: welcome
20:34:53 <rsc> cwickert: evening
20:34:58 <rsc> !
20:35:05 <cwickert> rsc: I already pinged kital, I think he is afk
20:35:12 <cwickert> rsc: go ahead
20:35:36 <cwickert> gnokii: you have mail
20:35:55 <rsc> CLT is a "hot" topic, because I'm not sure if they really like us...
20:36:01 <gnokii> yeah I read it right now
20:36:17 <rsc> ...AFAIK we need to solve some financial tasks before.
20:36:33 <gnokii> "solche Träume kann ich nicht allein...." like I said speak with one who make decissions
20:37:00 <rsc> EOF - just wanted to keep that in all of your minds ;)
20:37:15 <cwickert> rsc: the financial problems are solved
20:37:34 <rsc> cwickert: oh! Wow. But then it must have been happened within the last 3 weeks or so :)
20:37:42 <cwickert> last week in fact
20:38:09 <cwickert> and kital already filed a ticket for this year's sponsoring and we'll deal with it in our FAmSCo meeting after this one
20:38:22 <cwickert> this means there is hope that we even pay in advance :)
20:38:28 <rsc> haha
20:38:37 <thunderbirdtr> :)
20:38:39 <cwickert> and not 9 months too late :(
20:38:46 <gnokii> rsc: I spoke with kitall about that I dont believe that it is not possible to pay a bill with credit card, its just a failure in communication
20:39:04 <cwickert> gnokii: no, that was not the problem
20:39:24 <cwickert> it had to go through Red Hat's accounting system, we required a PO and Harish had to do it
20:39:32 <cwickert> anyway, consider it fixed
20:39:50 <cwickert> gnokii: so, how do we continue with CLT?
20:39:50 <Affix> hey
20:39:57 <cwickert> hey Affix
20:40:16 <Affix> sorry I'm late
20:40:19 <gnokii> we should answer the mail but personally I would prefer to talk with sontag
20:40:36 <cwickert> gnokii: ok
20:40:39 <cwickert> Affix: no problem
20:41:01 <cwickert> #action gnokii, cwickert and kital to have a meeting on CLT
20:41:06 <Affix> the media wen't down a treat thanks guys :)
20:41:26 <cwickert> Affix: ok, we are just talking about events
20:41:33 <cwickert> did your event take place already?
20:41:42 <gnokii> about friday there should be no problem to organize a room outside orangerie
20:41:43 <Affix> cwickert: Half of it did
20:41:57 <Affix> Second half of my lecture takes place on Jan 12
20:42:08 <cwickert> Affix: please don't forget to send an event report to the ambassadors list
20:42:20 <cwickert> and to blog about it if you have a blog
20:42:22 <Affix> I will when its over :)
20:42:25 <cwickert> ok
20:42:46 <rsc> cwickert, gnokii: Sorry, didn't read full backlog. Will there be any talks on CLT by Fedora people outside of a Fedora room?
20:43:10 <cwickert> rsc: that is subject to the meeting we are about to hold
20:43:14 <rsc> ok
20:43:17 <cwickert> rsc: you want to help us organizing?
20:43:19 <gnokii> rsc thats a good question
20:43:42 <cwickert> ...
20:44:15 <rsc> cwickert: I would try to spend a hand. It's a bit a question when organizing takes place...you know it's 1.5 weeks to christmas and it feels like hell, not like heaven at work ;)
20:44:45 <cwickert> rsc: yes or no?
20:45:27 <rsc> cwickert: yes, but not before christmas. If that excludes each else, no.
20:45:36 <cwickert> #undo
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20:45:45 <cwickert> #action gnokii, cwickert, rsc and kital to have a meeting on CLT
20:45:48 <cwickert> :)
20:45:54 <cwickert> now you MUST help us _P
20:45:56 <cwickert> :P
20:46:29 <cwickert> rsc: can you elaborate your question about talks?
20:46:59 <rsc> cwickert: during FrOSCon, gnokii gave some talks/sessions - they happened not in the Fedora room (for other reasons as well)
20:47:22 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, You and your meeting ... :)))
20:47:24 <gnokii> cwickert the answert can given right now, if we propose talks and they are taken, then we will have talks outside this track
20:48:01 <gnokii> rsc the talk I proposed u will be in the normal program if he is selected
20:48:27 <rsc> cwickert: or will we encourage our contributors to submit their talks regulary till the deadline directly to CLT?
20:48:27 <cwickert> hold on guys
20:48:34 <cwickert> gnokii: you did read the email, did you?
20:48:45 <cwickert> rsc: the deadline is tomorrow
20:48:50 <gnokii> what?
20:49:06 <rsc> cwickert: no, I think the deadline is end of December
20:49:48 <cwickert> rsc: you are right, that was only for talks that end up in the conference book
20:50:10 <cwickert> #info deadline for submission of talks for CLT is January 6th
20:50:35 <gnokii> cfp ends normally firs week of january but they was late so I think its one week later and when u know how then u can submit talsk also later ;)
20:50:36 <cwickert> ok, lets not talk about CLT too long because the others are getting bored
20:50:52 <cwickert> that's what I just said gnokii
20:51:17 <cwickert> lets get back to the meeting protocol, otherwise it gets confusing
20:51:26 <cwickert> to answer rsc's question
20:51:34 <cwickert> it is not even clear if there will be a Fedora room
20:51:35 <gnokii> ok
20:51:53 <cwickert> so the question of there are talks outside that room cannot be answered at this poing
20:51:55 <cwickert> point
20:52:04 <rsc> ok
20:52:42 <cwickert> rsc, gnokii: do you think it makes sense to have talks outside the room? what talks to you want as part of a Fedora track?
20:52:51 <cwickert> I mean, do they have to be stictly Fedora?
20:52:52 <gnokii> cwickert: sure
20:53:04 <cwickert> gnokii: you first, then rsc
20:53:24 <gnokii> inside the room they should strictly with fedora/RH topics ;)
20:53:46 <cwickert> gnokii: name me 5 talks then that are strictly Fedora
20:54:35 <cwickert> think of the talks we had at FrOSCon. A talk about SELinux for example is not Fedora-specific
20:55:01 <cwickert> and as Fedora is trying to do things upstream, many other topics are not specific either
20:55:26 <rsc> Fedora specific would be...how to contribute or about Infrastructure or so. Maybe. But filling a whole day? Seems hard.
20:55:43 <cwickert> anyway, I think we should stop here and discuss this in #fedora-de after this meeting, otherwise we are only wasting time of Affix, t2hot and thunderbirdtr
20:55:47 * t2hot is feeling drowsy
20:55:55 <cwickert> t2hot: you want to talk about IDLELO?
20:56:04 <gnokii> cwickert: +1 and make an call @ambassdors list
20:56:20 <t2hot> gnokii: +1
20:56:30 <thunderbirdtr> gnokii, +1
20:56:54 <cwickert> guys, this is nothing we really need to vote about ;)
20:57:00 <t2hot> cwickert: there's still time.  Its holding next year in March
20:57:16 <cwickert> t2hot: are you willing to attend?
20:57:28 <gnokii> that would be cool
20:57:29 <t2hot> cwickert: very
20:58:08 <cwickert> t2hot: so what about the registration? it is very expensive, but the exhibution is supposed to be free?!
20:58:16 <cwickert> exhibition*
20:59:24 <t2hot> cwickert: see that's these are the issues that I'm pondering over.  I have until 18th (sunday) to pay $122 for registration or pay slightly more afterwards
21:00:04 <cwickert> t2hot: sorry, I don't understand
21:00:14 <t2hot> and I dont really know what is expected at the exhibitions
21:00:15 <rsc> don't they do exceptions for speakers/exhibitors?
21:00:38 <t2hot> I'm still studying the programmme
21:00:46 <Affix> waste all the time you need
21:01:08 <t2hot> Affix: ???
21:01:36 <rsc> cwickert: they charge different fees after 2011-12-31 vs. before
21:01:56 <cwickert> rsc: I am aware of this
21:02:17 <cwickert> rsc: the question is "what do we get for this money"
21:02:22 <t2hot> cwickert: rsc puts it better
21:02:37 <cwickert> because the website also says that attendance is free
21:02:51 <cwickert> t2hot: do you know what we are actually paying for?
21:03:09 <t2hot> like I said, I'm not clear with the programme
21:03:48 <t2hot> so, I'll enquire a little more and get back to the group
21:04:04 <cwickert> t2hot: please figure that out ASAP. if I understand correctly, with registration you are allowed to attend the dinner and the community summit
21:04:10 <cwickert> (whatever the summit is)
21:04:32 <cwickert> if you want to attend, Fedora will cover the costs
21:04:51 <cwickert> but I am not sure if we can transfer you the money until the 18th
21:04:56 <t2hot> cwickert: I will be presenting a paper though but its a generic talk on Linux and Architects
21:05:05 <cwickert> ok
21:05:30 <cwickert> please try to to figure out if you can attend for free as a speaker
21:05:34 <cwickert> and if not, we will pay
21:05:49 <t2hot> ok
21:05:50 <cwickert> could you pay yourself for now and we reimburse you?
21:06:01 <t2hot> sure
21:06:16 <cwickert> ok, please file a ticket if you need reimbursement then
21:06:20 <cwickert> what about a booth?
21:06:31 <cwickert> they say a mini booth is 500 USD
21:06:42 <cwickert> that is a lot of money, do you think it's worth it?
21:06:54 <cwickert> one table and to chairs that is
21:07:04 <t2hot> I need to run that through one of the organizers here
21:07:17 <cwickert> ok
21:07:36 <cwickert> please let us know if you need something
21:07:46 <t2hot> will do.
21:07:47 <cwickert> I am willing to pay for a booth, but I cannot decide myself
21:08:00 <cwickert> so we need to discuss this in FAmSCo
21:08:20 <cwickert> once you know more, file a ticket and add the "meeting" keyword
21:08:29 <rsc> !
21:08:37 <cwickert> yes please rsc
21:09:02 <rsc> you might have asked that already, but doesn't "Number of conference passes: 2" include the registration for 2 people/attendees as well?
21:09:34 <cwickert> yes
21:09:38 <rsc> eof ;)
21:09:57 <cwickert> it was not asked, but it is clear I think
21:10:05 <cwickert> this is why I think that a booth makes sense
21:10:13 <cwickert> we could bring 2 people and have a booth
21:10:28 <cwickert> while we already pay 250 USD just for two people
21:11:08 <cwickert> t2hot: does this make sense? think you get a banner and all that
21:11:59 <cwickert> #action t2hot to explore our opportunities for IDLELO
21:12:08 <cwickert> anything more on events?
21:12:25 <cwickert> no, ok, so we move on
21:12:27 <cwickert> #topic  Action items from previous meetings
21:12:41 <cwickert> I am afraid this will make me look bad...
21:12:51 <cwickert> because I was busy and didn't do much
21:12:56 <t2hot> cwickert: I'm out of media too.  Sorry if I sound so inexperienced.  This will be my first time actually representing fedora in a Conference.  I'll appreciate advise and suggestions
21:13:07 <t2hot> ouch
21:13:29 <cwickert> t2hot: did you already get F16 media?
21:13:35 * t2hot have seen the action post ... no problem then
21:14:07 <cwickert> ok, we are good on the action items, because there only was one
21:14:13 <cwickert> DONE - thunderbirdtr and Affix to file tickets for media at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ and assign it to eischmann
21:14:19 <cwickert> and they have their media now
21:14:24 <t2hot> cwickert: yes, its been allocated to an event holding in January next year at Enugu State University of Science and Technology ... i.e. with the computer Scsience Department
21:14:28 <cwickert> well, thunderbirdtr is still waiting, but I sent them
21:14:37 <cwickert> t2hot: request more :)
21:15:13 <t2hot> ok
21:15:20 <cwickert> #action t2hot to request more media if he needs them for IDLELO. file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ and assign it to eischmann
21:15:31 <cwickert> that's all for action items
21:15:46 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
21:15:52 <cwickert> anything for open floor?
21:15:57 <Affix> cwickert: I am sending some media to MooDoo as I had some spare
21:16:08 <cwickert> I have some spare, too
21:16:24 <cwickert> so if somebody needs stickers AND media, I can send them in one package
21:16:35 <cwickert> I have something for open floor
21:16:47 <cwickert> What should FAmSCo do first?
21:16:58 <cwickert> what is the most urgent thing to change?
21:18:17 <cwickert> nobody? are you all happy?
21:18:31 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, Just a min I think I have please one min please
21:18:31 <cwickert> if you don't want us to change a thing, we will just do nothing :)
21:18:39 <cwickert> alright
21:18:45 <cwickert> take your time
21:19:56 <thunderbirdtr> Some people confusing about joining ambassador like Fedora will reimbuse like other events or some different events I think you should add more details for about. If exist I didn't see
21:20:35 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: you mean something like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees ?
21:20:52 <cwickert> and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements
21:21:26 <thunderbirdtr> Hmm I didn't see
21:21:27 <thunderbirdtr> Sorry
21:21:30 <thunderbirdtr> All good for me
21:21:39 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: no problem
21:21:40 <thunderbirdtr> You should yes do nothing :))
21:21:44 <cwickert> hahaha
21:22:01 <t2hot> for today
21:22:05 <cwickert> he are not listing this on the "join ambassadors" pages
21:22:20 <cwickert> because then people think they get everything for free when they join
21:22:30 <cwickert> ambassadors are to represent and help Fedora
21:22:38 <cwickert> and we try to help them getting their job done
21:22:58 <cwickert> but I don't want anybody to join the ambassadors just to go to events and make party
21:23:09 <cwickert> although the events and parties are nice
21:23:28 <cwickert> generally speaking we will try to sponsor or reimburse everybody who needs it
21:23:42 <cwickert> so if you need something, just contact me or FAmSCo
21:23:45 <cwickert> ok?
21:24:27 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, yes captain
21:24:29 <thunderbirdtr> :))
21:24:52 <cwickert> ok, then let's end this meeting
21:25:12 <cwickert> remember, the FAmSCo meeting will start in half an hour
21:25:22 <cwickert> everybody is welcome to attend
21:25:27 <cwickert> #endmeeting