22:00:29 #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2011-12-21 22:00:29 Meeting started Wed Dec 21 22:00:29 2011 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:00:41 #meetingname FAmSCo Meeting 2011-12-21 22:00:41 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_meeting_2011-12-21' 22:00:59 #chairs herlo, yn1v, gbraad, igorps 22:01:20 guess that was not the right command 22:01:21 anyway 22:01:26 #chair 22:01:33 #chair herlo, yn1v, gbraad, igorps 22:01:33 Current chairs: cwickert gbraad herlo igorps yn1v 22:01:40 thanks herlo 22:01:42 np 22:01:47 #topic Role call 22:01:51 .fas cwickert 22:01:52 I'm a bird! 22:01:52 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 22:01:57 oh, roll call 22:02:02 * herlo kids 22:02:03 oops 22:02:10 'tis okay 22:02:11 * cwickert always get this wrong 22:02:22 this is like the 1000th time 22:02:27 no worries 22:02:27 #undo 22:02:27 Removing item from minutes: 22:02:36 #topic Roll call 22:02:38 :) 22:02:49 hi igorps 22:02:55 * herlo is here 22:02:55 just the 3 of us? 22:03:00 cwickert, hello! 22:03:23 * herlo knows the email went out 22:03:33 herlo: which mail? 22:03:39 cwickert: google calendar 22:03:43 ah 22:03:47 should have landed in your fp.o email 22:03:58 yeah, I deleted it from my calendar :) 22:04:05 sorry! here I am !! 22:04:07 that's fine. just as long as you get the email 22:04:09 because I track everything in my work calendar 22:04:24 now we are four 22:04:25 cwickert: we can change your email if you like, just send me an email 22:04:36 alright 22:04:44 Zoltan will not make it 22:04:50 the others might arrive later 22:04:54 and I guerr gbraad neither 22:05:01 s/guerr/guess 22:05:20 ya 22:05:29 alright, anybody from the old folks wants to take over? 22:05:40 I mean, one who has served in FAmSCo before? 22:05:41 I was trying to see the trac and I got a server error :-/ 22:05:58 cwickert, feel free to keep chairing 22:06:36 +1 igorps 22:06:42 +1 22:06:53 that is not cool, fedorahosted seems busted 22:07:03 alright, then lets start with the wiki 22:07:34 ouch, now even the wiki is down 22:07:35 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 22:07:37 cwickert: they just announced a reboot outage 22:07:49 * nirik sighs. Why do I always schedule outages when a meeting is happening. 22:07:51 Sorry about this. 22:08:02 nirik: you don't like FAmSCo, do you? ;) 22:08:05 I bet it will be back up 22:08:08 shortly 22:08:23 * nirik makes a note to reschedule them for later or something. ;( 22:08:24 ok, in the meantime we can do something that every new FAmSCo needs to to 22:08:29 elect a new chair 22:08:37 cwickert, +1 22:08:46 good call 22:09:12 I think we can get a consensus and a majority here 22:09:39 probably 22:09:57 we need a consensus since some members are not here 22:10:21 do we also elect a vice chair and a secretary? 22:10:41 secretary for what? we have meetbot :) 22:10:56 alright 22:11:01 From what I recall from last term the chair appointed a vice-chair 22:11:06 I like the idea to have clear task division 22:11:14 such as? 22:11:29 one gets all the fame, the other is to do all the work? ;) 22:11:35 somebody to post to wiki and mailing list the output of meetboot 22:11:43 I can get that covered 22:11:58 yn1v: I don't understand the need 22:11:59 So I volunteer as secretary 22:12:08 meetbot breaks it out just fine 22:12:25 I an not 100% sure about the FAmSCo election guidelines 22:12:36 I will take care of send an email with links and post it on the wiki 22:12:42 herlo, it needs to go to the wiki and to the mailing list 22:12:42 you have #agreed, #idea, and a bunch more that meetbot can take care of 22:12:44 we need a quorum, right? 22:12:49 igorps: why? 22:13:02 I understand the mailing list, but the meetbot does the work already to a webpage 22:13:26 it is easy to find it on the wiki 22:13:26 I don't mean to slow things down, but it seems like extra work 22:13:42 yn1v: k, If you want to do the work 22:13:51 yeah, and somebody needs to put links to the protocols on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_meetings 22:14:02 herlo, I think you got it wrong, what yn1v is trying to say is that we will still use zodbot but we need someone to post the minutes and logs in other places 22:14:27 igorps: I get that 22:14:28 exactly 22:14:31 we need to: 1) send out a reminder, 2) post the minutes to the mailing list and 3) to the wiki 22:14:58 was just thinking that it doesn't really need to be on the wiki, but if you all think it does, that's fine 22:15:05 reminders I have taken care of 22:15:27 herlo: what else would you do to find the meeting minutes? 22:15:30 so email the ml was all I saw 22:15:31 have automatic reminder is great. thanks for that! 22:15:49 I think it really does need to be on the wiki to make the reports easier for me :) 22:15:52 ok, wiki is back up 22:16:09 cwickert: what do you mean? I guess it can be on the wiki, just seems like duplication of effort 22:16:28 I can keep writing the reports by the way 22:16:30 herlo: how do you find the minutes of a meeting? 22:16:55 search http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org when you don't know date or channel? 22:16:58 cwickert: google? 22:17:09 * herlo notes that meetbot might need to be adjusted 22:17:10 * gomix lurks 22:17:14 I have searched the meetbot web page for logs, and sometimes meetings do not have proper title and you have to open msot of the meeting of that day. 22:17:17 again, that requires that you now the date 22:17:21 give the topic rather than just a date 22:17:30 cwickert: yes, bad meetbot 22:17:46 herlo, having them only on the mailing list is really hard to find as well 22:17:47 wiki for now I guess. I'll get it fixed since we do this all the time with another project 22:17:47 I don't think it is too much work to link the meetings from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_meetings 22:17:57 igorps: took me under 30 seconds just now 22:18:07 but I digress 22:18:21 let's move to something more useful 22:18:25 +1 22:18:38 seems that everyone else wants it on the wiki, I don't mean to slow down progress :) 22:18:54 herlo: when I google for "famsco meeting", the first hit is the wiki page ;) 22:19:00 the wiki can give a better perspective of the meetings over the months too 22:19:27 try to find a famsco meeting in november with google but do not use the wiki. good luck 22:19:34 cwickert: it's fine 22:19:36 let's move on 22:19:37 anyway, lets not discuss this for too long 22:19:39 +1 22:19:42 +1 22:20:00 * cwickert looks at the famsco guidelines 22:21:15 ok, here we go: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules 22:21:27 Election of the Chairperson 22:21:30 Once an election is completed, the committee must elect a Chairperson. This will be done by the end of the first FAmSCo meeting that is held after the election. Until a new Chairperson is elected, the current chair will continue in that role. The FAmSCo Chairperson can be removed by the Fedora Project Board or by an absolute majority vote of the FAmSCo. If this happens, a new Chairperson must be elected within one week. 22:21:30 The chair should be elected, and the vice-chair appointed by him 22:21:57 Appointment of Vice-Chairperson 22:22:00 No later than one week after election, the FAmSCo chairperson will appoint the Vice-Chairperson. The FAmSCo Vice-Chairperson can be removed by the Fedora Project Board or by an absolute majority vote of the FAmSCo. If this happens, a new Vice-Chairperson must be appointed within one week. 22:22:10 ok, we are already late 22:22:19 anybody who wants to run for chair? 22:22:30 * cwickert is willing to do it 22:22:52 * herlo +1's cwickert 22:22:55 anybody else? 22:23:13 cwickert, since you been pretty active, including during the last term I think you deserve it 22:23:16 * yn1v +1 cwickert 22:23:27 +1 cwickert 22:23:45 ok, thanks 22:23:52 do we need a quorum here? 22:24:03 and if so, 4 out of 7 seats? 22:24:10 or only out of people present? 22:24:19 cwickert: if we have 4 votes, that's still a majority 22:24:23 we need a majority at least 22:24:29 right 22:24:43 #agreed cwickert becomes new FAmSCo chair 22:25:14 as we have no secretary, I suggest to make yn1v vize chair 22:25:22 :) 22:25:27 okey 22:25:31 yn1v: do you agree with that? 22:25:44 yes, I agree 22:25:57 to be honest, I'd rather like to vote 22:26:12 but as I am expected to appoint somebody, I just need to pick somebody 22:26:20 so I pick yn1v 22:26:44 #info cwickert appoints yn1v as vize chair 22:26:55 cwickert: does he have to accept it? 22:27:01 I assume he will, but still 22:27:04 I think he just has 22:27:09 I do ! 22:27:13 yay! 22:27:20 * herlo missed that line above 22:27:21 herlo: that is a good question, the wiki doesn't say anything about this 22:27:29 cwickert: we should probably clarify on the wiki 22:27:35 exactly 22:27:37 good idea 22:27:48 I want to rework the whole election policy 22:28:06 yes, I recall that 22:28:15 I have already started working on something at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Cwickert/Proposed_FAmSCo_election_rules 22:28:16 I want to help on that. 22:28:27 but it is not finished, so lets not discuss this now 22:28:36 I'd first like to come up with a real draft 22:28:42 #idea adjust appointed vice chair to include confirmation from appointee 22:28:51 thanks herlo 22:29:02 If anyone wants to do meetbot functions - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions is helpful 22:29:14 #action cwickert and yn1v to work on new FAmSCo election guidelines 22:29:46 ok, should we now continue with trac or with the wiki? we have two agendas 22:30:04 * herlo votes for trac 22:30:20 alright, there is a couple of trac tickets in the report at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 22:30:26 they are all straight forward 22:30:27 I think we should reassign the tasks ASAP 22:30:28 * herlo looks 22:30:29 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks 22:30:33 * yn1v likes the trac idea 22:31:15 ok, looks like we need to distribute the tasks from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks again 22:31:40 who servered in FAmSCo before. yn1v, who else? 22:32:00 graad and igorps 22:32:21 #action share tasks form http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks among the new members 22:32:39 sorry gbraad 22:32:53 how about approving budget? 22:33:17 yn1v: I see you already approved and paid some tickets that I marked ready for payment 22:33:28 cwickert, we all do that by voting in the meetings 22:33:32 does this go through FAmSCo nevertheless? 22:33:44 igorps: right, that's what I thought 22:33:45 yes It should go by Famsco 22:34:00 ok, is there a limit what we can approve? 22:34:07 I was told we cannot do https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/218 22:34:08 my fault with medias for Argentina. 22:34:35 yn1v: it was only small amounts, actually I like credit card holders to do this 22:36:08 anyway, I think we can close it 22:36:21 my reason to push it was that it was already delayed. 22:36:21 it was approved by harish and the PO was issued 22:36:34 yn1v: ok, lets finish https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/218 first 22:37:05 suggestion: close #218 and tell rbergeron to reopen if she needs more info from Jiri 22:37:14 +1 to my own suggestion :) 22:37:29 +1 22:37:34 +1 22:37:52 +1 22:38:08 #agreed: close #218 and tell rbergeron to reopen if she needs more info from Jiri 22:38:15 next is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/229 22:38:29 this is set to NEEDINFO 22:38:33 so nothing we can to 22:38:38 propsal: delay 22:38:46 +1 22:39:17 #topic FAmSCo tickets 22:39:20 I'm confused why this is in FAMSCo's purview 22:40:10 who else should do it? 22:40:16 what we can do is wait basically 22:40:37 cwickert: the region it is in? 22:40:40 herlo: do you mean this is a regional item ? 22:40:46 yn1v: seems to me it is 22:40:51 herlo: ok 22:40:53 specific to sri lanka 22:41:03 that's APAC, correct? 22:41:16 suggestion: tell him to file a ticket in APAC trac and have it approved there 22:41:20 so that maybe should be addressed within that community 22:41:28 +1 22:41:35 +1 22:41:39 +1 22:41:42 but when it was approved, do we need to look over it again? 22:42:13 we need to clarify the process 22:42:14 cwickert: you mean if/when it *is* approved? 22:42:38 #agreed: tell reporter to close #229 and file a ticket in APAC trac instead to have it approved there 22:43:06 herlo: the question become: how much can the local communities approve? 22:43:16 is there somebody to review the local communties? 22:43:32 this is an item we need to discuss 22:43:34 cwickert: ahh, yes. I think we should give general advice. Right now, I think those that have credit cards can do the approving 22:43:38 probably at FUDCon 22:43:43 if this is a budget request we should deal with it, but if it's only a material request it is up to regional communities 22:44:03 at least until we make some sort of official change, no reason to adjust what is currently happening 22:44:20 How much for each ticket and how many tickets, it can easily become a large sum 22:44:20 igorps: you mean first the region decides if the want to have the material and then we decide if we actually pay for it? 22:44:37 cwickert, exactly. 22:44:38 which is why I suggested pushing it to the local community and having the person with the credit card make the final decision for now. 22:44:59 anyway, lets not try to fix the general problems now, deal with the indivudual ticket because there are people waiting for money 22:45:12 +1 22:45:12 next is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/231 22:45:36 same argument as last one, push to local community 22:45:38 suggestion_ approve #231 and reimburse the old exchange rate because this is what the reporter actually had to pay 22:45:58 +1 for the record 22:46:03 although it looks like it's already approved basically 22:46:16 so I +1 for this case 22:46:18 right, it was approved be the credit card holder 22:46:19 +1 22:46:31 #agreed: approve #231 and reimburse the old exchange rate because this is what the reporter actually had to pay 22:46:41 #next is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/233 22:46:54 trac still loading.... 22:47:04 yn1v: that way you 22:47:10 s/way/was 22:47:14 this was approved 22:47:42 yn1v: did you pay yourself the money? can we close this? 22:47:47 yes, that was approved last term 22:47:48 I had to pay some of it cash... sadly I can not reimburse myself with community credit card 22:48:07 so is pending for reimburse. 22:48:09 is there anything left to do? 22:48:11 ah 22:48:19 I suggest to keep it open until yn1v gest the money at FUDCon 22:48:25 +1 22:48:33 igorps: but yn1v will not come... 22:48:45 I can wait until I go into one event, or ask harish to send me a reibursement. 22:49:22 well, we can always include others in remote at fudcon 22:49:25 leave it open for now, it is not urgent. We will figure out later 22:49:28 #info 233 was already approved in the last term, reporter is waiting for money 22:49:43 #action yn1v to figure out payment for #233 with harish 22:50:04 next up we have https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/238 22:50:12 +1 for approval as it is my ticket :) 22:50:41 herlo: I guess this is something you want to do locally, too 22:50:48 +1 it is clear 22:50:57 cwickert: no, +1 to reimburse you 22:51:04 +1, it looks like Joerg can handle the payment 22:51:14 #agreed #238 is approved 22:51:17 next is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/238 22:51:23 erm, https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/239 22:51:29 mine as well 22:51:41 receipts are attached, +1 for approval 22:51:44 cwickert: I want to work through what we have first, then implement a different process. It's possible we should revisit that one ticket 22:52:15 herlo: explain please 22:52:52 I really can't read the report :) 22:52:53 cwickert: just saying that we already have these tickets 22:53:14 let's just get through these tickets and move to a more complete policy in the next few meetings 22:53:26 but by the pictures it looks like a nice event 22:53:28 +1 to 239 22:53:36 +1 22:53:54 herlo: yeah, we need to work on a new policy ASAP, I want to have this sorted out at Blacksburg 22:54:05 #agreed #239 is approved 22:54:18 next is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/240 22:54:26 cwickert: yes, good place to work on it. We should have a famsco hackfest if nothing else :) 22:54:28 welcome kaio 22:54:33 cwickert: hi 22:54:35 +1 herlo 22:54:50 kaio: ok, we are just talking about an interesting ticket, it's https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/240 22:55:02 we are talking about 1000 EUR here 22:55:03 cwickert, please keep me on the loop, If it is possible I would like to collaborate remotely to that budget hackfest 22:55:11 just got back from work - busy OT.. 22:55:21 seems good +1 to 240 22:55:23 that is USD 1300 22:55:37 let me explain a little about this ticket 22:55:49 1) we have always sponsored them 22:56:12 2) there were problems with the sponsorship of last year, they just received the money a week ago 22:56:19 so we should be quicker this time 22:56:22 and 3) 22:56:28 we want to have a FAD there 22:56:43 if we want them to give us a room for talks, we better give them sponsoring 22:56:49 what will be topic/goal of FAD ? 22:57:31 well, not FAD as in Fedora *Activity* Day but more as a whole day of talks in a dedicated Fedora track 22:57:44 It's a major event and we must fund it, although no speakers are assigned yet 22:58:04 I will give a talk there anyway, with or without our FAD 22:58:09 sounds great to have a room dedicated to fedora talks 22:58:17 cwickert, great! 22:58:19 but if we have a room, we can decide on the topics 22:58:26 what does 1000 EUR cover? 22:58:26 this makes things easier for us 22:58:47 sponsoring, this means we have a booth and a lot of Fedora banners 22:59:04 we always paid the 100 EUR, even if we had no special fedora track 22:59:26 ah, and we are their "Silver Sponsor" and get advertised on the website and so on 22:59:39 sound a good deal 22:59:40 +1 to 240 22:59:45 we have done similar things in NA 22:59:52 * jsmith knows that he doesn't have a vote, but is +1 for it anyway 22:59:54 which is why I already +1'd it :) 23:00:00 http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2011/info/sponsoren/ 23:00:11 actually we were not silver that year 23:00:25 * kaio supports this: +1 23:00:32 +1 23:00:36 more votes? 23:00:39 +1 23:00:45 * herlo does have a hard stop pretty quickly 23:01:09 #agreed Fedora will sponsor CLT with 1000 EUR and have a special event there 23:01:28 ok, we did it 23:01:42 there still is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 23:01:58 should we go through this one, too or better clean it up first? 23:02:12 I mean, some of the tasks are really ancient 23:02:44 cwickert: can we discuss these on the ml if needed and then vote on them next week as appropriate? 23:02:50 +1 23:02:55 herlo, +1 23:03:03 +1 23:03:11 +1 23:03:17 #action evaluate items from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda and discuss them next week 23:03:25 ok, anything else? 23:03:32 great! just need to send out an email for them and we can go through them 23:03:36 are there any regular topics I missed? 23:03:54 if not, anything for open floor? 23:04:24 #action cwickert to go through the tickets and add today's decisions 23:04:29 I think I'm good this time, will have more time next week 23:04:35 +1 23:04:36 nothing else from me 23:04:47 ok then, thanks everybody for coming 23:04:51 nothing from my side 23:04:53 thanks cwickert 23:04:55 welcome 23:05:00 #endmeeting 23:05:13 no minutes? 23:05:22 zodbot seems buggy 23:05:36 hum. 23:05:39 * kaio was looking for current log but unable to find. 23:05:39 * nirik looks into it. 23:06:04 kaio: there is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#zodbot_blew_up_while_it_was_logging_my_meeting.2C_what_can_I_do.3F 23:06:13 hopefully we can get something logged 23:06:41 I do not have all the lines on xchat :( I need to set up for bigger backlog 23:06:51 Yeah, zodbot has been cranky today 23:06:57 * jsmith has the log, if anyone needs it 23:07:33 And with that -- I'm off to find some dinner 23:07:48 jsmith, send me the log please 23:07:56 yn1v: Will do. 23:08:03 thanks 23:08:18 * nirik is investigating. 23:08:31 * kaio dives into bed 23:10:30 yn1v: Sent to your gmail account. 23:10:37 nirik: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 23:10:45 .listmeetings 23:10:45 nirik: ('#fedora-meeting', 'freenode') 23:10:57 jsmith, got it. thanks 23:11:15 hmm interesting 23:11:17 #endmeeting