05:06:55 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
05:06:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 22 05:06:55 2011 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:07:52 <juhp> okay this week I am running the meeting for tagoh since he might be unavailable at this time
05:08:23 <juhp> who is here today?
05:08:40 <dueno> hi
05:08:43 <juhp> we have an agenda page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-12-22
05:09:13 <jni> hi
05:09:16 <fujiwarat> hi
05:10:25 <juhp> I guess we will talk first first about F17 features
05:10:47 <pravins> hi
05:10:54 <anish_> hi
05:10:57 <pravins> juhp: yes
05:11:00 <paragan> hi
05:11:02 <epico_laptop> hi
05:11:23 <pravins> me filed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IndicUnicode6 this week
05:11:29 <juhp> #topic F17
05:11:36 <juhp> pravins, aha
05:12:40 <pravins> still 3 remains indic-typing-booster, english-typing-booster and indian language support
05:12:55 <pravins> i think anish_: will take care for english-typing-booster feature page :)
05:13:09 <anish_> pravins, sure :)
05:13:29 <juhp> great thanks
05:14:16 <juhp> tagoh: should we add you to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FontConfigurationTool ?
05:14:51 <tagoh> juhp: sure. I don't mind either.
05:15:36 <juhp> tagoh: I guess libeasyfc is also part of it now?
05:16:02 <tagoh> juhp: ah, yes. I think so
05:16:09 <juhp> ok
05:16:41 <juhp> fujiwarat, we don't need another feature for ibus/gnome this time?
05:17:32 <fujiwarat> hmm..., maybe none.
05:18:15 * juhp adds https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/libpinyin
05:18:27 <juhp> are we missing any other features?
05:18:48 <juhp> either from the agenda or the wiki? :)
05:18:57 <pravins> juhp: now only one locale missing out of 22 language, hoping to get is by tomorrow :)
05:19:04 <juhp> wow
05:19:12 <pravins> yet, not filed in upstream
05:19:12 <juhp> that's great
05:19:16 <pravins> thanks
05:19:18 <juhp> ok
05:21:40 <juhp> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-17170/ibus-pinyin-1.3.99.20110706-13.fc16
05:22:35 <juhp> hmm hard to bump version I guess
05:22:50 <epico_laptop> pardon?
05:23:17 <juhp> well just seems to deserve a version bump but guess we can't do that :)
05:23:58 <epico_laptop> sorry, the ibus-pinyin integration patch is not ready for libpinyin 0.4.91.
05:24:02 <epico_laptop> write in progress.
05:24:46 <juhp> ah ok sure
05:25:24 <juhp> I think upstream finally release 1.4 soon anyway...
05:25:27 <juhp> may
05:26:06 <epico_laptop> yes, ibus-pinyin 1.4.0 is released.
05:26:40 <pravins> juhp: we need fontconfig updates for Fedora 17
05:27:01 <juhp> .whoowns fontconfig
05:27:01 <zodbot> juhp: behdad
05:27:46 <tagoh> pravins: I guess there may be some actions shortly
05:27:52 <pravins> .orth file is not that much critical thing in fontconfig, even patching it should be fine if upstream taking time
05:28:08 <pravins> tagoh: thats nice to hear :)
05:29:09 <juhp> I was hoping someone else would take over maintainership of fedora fontconfig
05:31:28 <juhp> anyway
05:31:50 <juhp> pravins, anyway we should look at ways to get fedora fontconfig moving if possible
05:31:55 <juhp> yes
05:33:04 <juhp> #topic Input Methods
05:33:17 <juhp> fujiwarat, any news on ibus?
05:33:57 <juhp> or other input related news?
05:35:16 <anish_> english-typing-booster is in review
05:35:23 <fujiwarat> I'm still in the ibus xkb development phase. It seems libgnomekbd provides language names only but not layout names so probably ibus needs to access libxklavier directly.
05:35:23 <dueno> though kind of minor, libskk and integrated ibus-skk are now in rawhide
05:36:13 <juhp> great
05:36:30 <juhp> dueno, any affect on ibus-skk? :)
05:38:42 <dueno> it is now written in vala instead of python, so package deps are reduced
05:39:37 <juhp> okay
05:39:46 <juhp> dueno, I mean for users :)
05:40:25 <dueno> aha, there are some improvements in the setup UI
05:40:27 <juhp> vala is a good language
05:40:30 <juhp> aha
05:42:19 <juhp> #topic Fonts/Rendering
05:42:46 <juhp> oops missed some comments above
05:42:57 <juhp> anish_, nice
05:43:06 <juhp> fujiwarat, aha
05:43:07 <anish_> juhp, thanks
05:43:45 <juhp> fujiwarat, using libklavier sounds positive
05:44:06 <pravins> juhp: lots of request for Liberation and Lohit :)
05:44:22 <juhp> aha
05:45:30 <pravins> i think we should separate upstream and downstream little bit, i.e. only bugs related to Fedora should be in RH bugzilla
05:45:43 <pravins> and upstream should in respective project
05:46:12 <juhp> (ah ibus-pinyin-1.4 was already released!)
05:46:34 <juhp> pravins, agreed
05:46:43 <epico_laptop> :)
05:46:45 <juhp> pravins, how about using trac for upstream then?
05:47:35 <pravins> yes, good idea
05:48:14 <pravins> now from onward i will close bugs other than fedora as a upstream
05:49:16 <pravins> i found few bugs of liberation's hinting are regression
05:49:21 <pravins> .bug 768067
05:49:23 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 768067 [hinting] Lowercase U, V, W, X and Y too thin at 18px bold - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=768067
05:49:40 <juhp> pravins, can you reproduce that?
05:50:25 <pravins> yes
05:50:31 <juhp> ok
05:50:50 <pravins> $ftstring -m abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw ppem  /usr/share/fonts/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf
05:50:50 <pravins> $ftstring -m abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw ppem 200
05:50:50 <pravins> /usr/share/fonts/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf
05:51:26 <pravins> is has option to enable/disable glyph level hinting and autohiting
05:51:45 <juhp> aha
05:51:46 <pravins> .bug 463036
05:51:48 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 463036 LiberationSans-Bold 'u' and 'W' blurred in smaller sizes. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=463036
05:52:00 <juhp> hm
05:53:38 <pravins> need some research on this area
05:53:51 * pravins would like to learn how to write hinting instructions sometime
05:54:25 <juhp> okay
05:54:40 <juhp> #topic open
05:54:47 <juhp> anything else today?
05:57:37 <juhp> I guess this will be the last fedora i18n meeting this year
05:58:54 <juhp> okay thanks for the meeting today
05:59:00 <juhp> #endmeeting