15:03:59 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-01-03
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15:04:10 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:04:18 <jreznik> #topic roll call
15:04:29 * rnovacek is here
15:04:29 <jreznik> who's available today? :)
15:05:03 <rdieter_work> here
15:05:38 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:05:49 * zoglesby is here
15:05:55 <zoglesby> wrong meeting...
15:05:56 * ltinkl present
15:06:03 * nucleo is here
15:06:09 * than present
15:06:10 <ltinkl> zoglesby: no, the right one :)
15:06:27 <zoglesby> ltinkl: for you, not for me...
15:07:10 * zoglesby notes that it is Tuesday, not Monday
15:07:20 <jreznik> #chair jreznik rdieter_work rnovacek Kevin_Kofler ltinkl nucleo than
15:07:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl nucleo rdieter_work rnovacek than
15:07:45 <jreznik> #info jreznik rdieter_work rnovacek Kevin_Kofler ltinkl nucleo than present, it's Tuesday today :)
15:07:53 <jreznik> zodbot: np :)
15:08:02 <jreznik> #topic agenda
15:08:27 <jreznik> gcc 4.7 build failures for sure...
15:09:08 <rdieter_work> I can give status update for latest kde core pkg spilts, reviews
15:10:00 <jreznik> ok
15:10:18 <jreznik> and we have to finish feature pages... to send it for review (deadline is 24th)
15:10:25 <jreznik> anything else?
15:11:29 <rdieter_work> maybe discuss whether to push qt-4.8.0-5.fc16 stable now or not
15:11:54 <jreznik> ok
15:12:47 <jreznik> let's start with it
15:13:03 <jreznik> #topic to push qt-4.8.0-5.fc16 stable now or not?
15:13:28 <Kevin_Kofler> push now +1
15:13:45 <ltinkl> yup
15:14:08 <rnovacek> +1 push it
15:14:10 <rdieter_work> I'd tend to agree, it's been all positive feedback so far
15:14:26 <jreznik> +1
15:14:30 <than> +1 push it
15:14:32 <jreznik> don't see a reason why not
15:14:57 <rdieter_work> ok, looks like we're in agreement, queue'd for stable now
15:15:00 <jreznik> (but I'm little bit not-very-well informed as christmas vacation were offline for me :)
15:15:07 <than> i don't see any critical problem with qt-4.8
15:15:16 <jreznik> #agreed to push qt-4.8.0-5.fc16 to stable
15:15:32 <rdieter_work> see https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-17326/qt-4.8.0-5.fc16
15:16:06 <rdieter_work> in particular, re-introduces -qvfb subpkg, and includes upstream patch for the 'ghost items in kde taskmanager'
15:16:14 <rdieter_work> http://bugs.kde.org/275469
15:16:34 <than> rdieter_work: in think, we should queue qtwebkit for update-testing
15:17:25 <rdieter_work> than: ok
15:17:30 <than> as i know 2.2.1 is already included in 4.8
15:17:49 <rdieter_work> though I checked the changes, all very minor (mostly buildfixes for platforms we don't ship)
15:18:12 <rdieter_work> though I think there was 1 geniune bugfix
15:19:47 * rdieter_work queue'd qtwebkit-2.2.1-2.fc16 for updates-testing
15:20:13 <jreznik> #info rdieter_work queued qtwebkit-2.2.1-2.fc16 for updates-testing
15:20:43 <jreznik> anything else here? next major version update - 5 :)))
15:21:08 <rdieter_work> that's all
15:21:12 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: That's going to be the next big can of worms. :-(
15:21:25 <jreznik> yep, it's going to be big...
15:21:45 <jreznik> #topic status update for latest kde core pkg spilts, reviews
15:22:48 <jreznik> rdieter_work: your turn
15:22:53 <rdieter_work> ok.  got ruby-korundum imported today.  So, that leaves, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=kde-4.8&hide_resolved=1
15:23:40 <rdieter_work> namely, kde-printer-applet, mobipocket, qyoto, kimono, kde-baseapps, kde-runtime, kde-workspace, pykde4
15:23:49 <jreznik> it was great we had a review from ruby guy for ruby stuff
15:23:50 <rdieter_work> the latter 4 are relatively simple renames
15:24:10 <jreznik> I'll try to do as many reviews tmrw
15:24:26 <jreznik> #action jreznik to help with reviews (as many as possible)
15:26:21 <jreznik> ok, so now the yummy one...
15:26:25 <jreznik> #topic gcc 4.7 build failures
15:27:09 <jreznik> you can find the list in nils'es email
15:27:22 <than> i have not seem any gcc build failture log files yet
15:27:43 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, no build logs, so not very helpful. :-/
15:28:09 <Kevin_Kofler> And once again g++ breaks the world, I'm really fed up of g++ upstream's total disregard for backwards compatibility.
15:28:16 <Kevin_Kofler> They only care about standards, standards, standards.
15:28:17 <jreznik> #link http://rezza.hofyland.cz/fedora/gcc-4.7-ftbfs-all-names-maintainers
15:28:24 <rdieter_work> I figure we can tackle this as-needed, as long as it's just a matter of missing includes
15:29:10 <jreznik> that's the list of failing packages, but yeah, let's wait for logs...
15:29:35 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't give a darn whether the code complies to paragraph 3.13.3 (t) (fake paragraph, don't look it up ;-) ) of the ISO C++ standard, if it used to compile, it should keep compiling, darn it!
15:30:38 <rdieter_work> hopefully core stuff like kdelibs, qtwebkit, qt-mobility will be easy to fix up
15:31:28 <jreznik> #info there are several build failures due to gcc 4.7.0 changes, we have to wait for build logs
15:31:39 <jreznik> it's more head up that we have to take care about it soon
15:34:51 <Kevin_Kofler> So sad that we have to waste our time because of g++ getting more and more pointlessly pedantic at every single release. :-(
15:37:16 <Kevin_Kofler> I'll try to fix what I can when we know the details.
15:37:33 <jreznik> ok
15:37:50 <Kevin_Kofler> I guess I'll let rdieter_work do the easy ones first and then fix what's left. :-)
15:37:51 <jreznik> #topic finishing feature pages
15:38:04 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: I'm in for easy ones too :)
15:38:27 <jreznik> feature submission deadline is 24th of january
15:38:53 <jreznik> so I'd like to finish our features asap
15:38:55 <Kevin_Kofler> My Plasma PackageKit feature is already filed and approved.
15:39:20 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: I know, you're the winner :)
15:39:29 <jreznik> so if you can take a look...
15:39:32 <jreznik> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE48
15:39:49 <jreznik> I already see - qt 4.8 is released...
15:40:09 <jreznik> and #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PlasmaActive
15:41:06 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd put completion to more than 20% for 4.8.
15:41:12 <Kevin_Kofler> And we have 4.7.95 (RC1) now.
15:41:30 <Kevin_Kofler> The split reviews are also almost all done (only the printer applet is missing).
15:41:44 <nucleo> telepathy not feature?
15:42:04 <Kevin_Kofler> (and the C# bindings, which were already missing in our 4.7 packaging)
15:42:23 <jreznik> nucleo: will you take care of it? :)
15:42:40 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yep, I have to update it now
15:42:59 <Kevin_Kofler> Otherwise, KDE48 is all filled in, should be ready for wrangler.
15:43:17 <Kevin_Kofler> PlasmaActive needs the How To Test, Documentation and Release Notes sections filled in.
15:43:20 <jreznik> yep... more work on PLasma stuff
15:43:33 <Kevin_Kofler> And the status should probably be more than 10%.
15:43:35 <jreznik> I'll try to finish it tmrw, just wanted some feedback
15:43:37 <nucleo> now a big mess there because they will rename kde-telepathy* to ktp http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-telepathy/2011-December/004681.html
15:43:57 <Kevin_Kofler> What really needs to be done is instructions how the heck to enable this thing, which will then go into How To Test.
15:44:11 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: not sure about status - we don't have it even working yet (still missing share like connect stuff I think)
15:44:21 <Kevin_Kofler> The link to the upstream web site should be moved from Detailed Description to Documentation, that way it won't be empty.
15:44:30 <jreznik> ok
15:44:31 <ltinkl> I will add/edit some KDE48 features (Solid, PM, NM stuff)
15:44:33 <jreznik> good idea
15:44:40 <jreznik> ltinkl: thanks
15:44:49 <Kevin_Kofler> Release Notes needs some blurb on how great it is that we support tablets and smartphones now.
15:45:06 <Kevin_Kofler> (and also how to enable it)
15:45:44 <Kevin_Kofler> The sooner we get this thing actually running, the better, it'll also help complete the missing sections.
15:45:51 <jreznik> ah marketing crap, we're not good in that stuff...
15:46:02 <Kevin_Kofler> For Telepathy, I think that's probably for F18…
15:46:11 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: one of the task for FAD - to finish Active
15:46:13 <nucleo> ok
15:46:25 <rdieter_work> nucleo: we'll have see if telepathy-0.3 gets released in time for us to grok it, and consider as an advertisable feature. (odds are, Kevin_Kofler's right, it's getting late)
15:46:46 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: Yeah, but the problem is, the FAD is after the feature submission deadline and feature freeze for F17.
15:47:02 <Kevin_Kofler> So if it doesn't work at all before the FAD, it probably needs to be postponed to F18.
15:47:21 <Kevin_Kofler> It'd be nice to have Plasma Active working in F17 though.
15:47:27 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: is feature freeze such a strong deadline for us? as nothing depends on active but yes, I'd like to have much more
15:48:12 <jreznik> #action ltinkl to extend 4.8 feature page
15:48:24 <Kevin_Kofler> For the feature page, we need a late feature exception if we can't get it done by the deadline.
15:48:26 <rdieter_work> I vaguely recall there being several active-related pkg reviews left?  is that still so?
15:48:27 <jreznik> #action jreznik to update it and send to wrangler
15:48:44 <Kevin_Kofler> So we should at least have an idea of how one will enable Active by the feature submission deadline.
15:48:47 <jreznik> rdieter_work: still the build failure...
15:48:51 <Kevin_Kofler> It's needed for both How to Test and Release Notes.
15:48:52 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: +1
15:49:14 <rdieter_work> ok, I see 2 that passed review, but review bug still open.
15:49:16 <jreznik> maybe Kevin_Kofler could help here with his gcc and linking expertise :)
15:49:32 * jreznik should take care more about closing review bugs...
15:49:44 <Kevin_Kofler> Any log links for the failures? I can have a look.
15:49:58 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: try to look for logs
15:51:45 * ltinkl has another meeting topic
15:51:55 <jreznik> ltinkl: go on
15:52:17 <ltinkl> have we decided yet what to do with kdelibs 4.7 "reloaded"?
15:52:27 <ltinkl> do a formal release, "respin" tarball?
15:52:46 <ltinkl> I'd say the number of commits and fixes in 4.7
15:53:00 <Kevin_Kofler> I think the sanest would be to take 4.7.95 and patch it to say 4.7.4 instead.
15:53:02 <ltinkl> branch would justify an update
15:53:15 <Kevin_Kofler> kdelibs 4.7.95 was actually spun from the 4.7 branch.
15:53:27 <Kevin_Kofler> There's now a 4.8 branch which was copied from 4.7 after 4.7.95.
15:53:38 <ltinkl> I know, 4.8 kdelibs branch was branched from 4.7
15:54:00 <Kevin_Kofler> If the kernel team can cheat with the versions, why can't we? :-)
15:54:05 <ltinkl> sure :)
15:54:37 <ltinkl> should I take care of it?
15:54:48 <ltinkl> what F versions will be affected?
15:55:06 <Kevin_Kofler> 16 only
15:55:09 <ltinkl> ok
15:55:25 <Kevin_Kofler> 15 kde47 repo too, I guess, but that's something for rdieter_work to look up.
15:55:38 <Kevin_Kofler> The official F15 has 4.6.5.
15:56:07 <ltinkl> #action ltinkl to take care of updating kdelibs in F16 (4.7.95 aka 4.7.4 respin)
15:56:36 * rdieter_work would prefer to wait, and consider doing a formal kde-4.8.x update for f16 later
15:57:04 <rdieter_work> and if that is not possible, for whatever reason, then revisit this
15:57:31 <ltinkl> are we allowed to do a major update in F16?
15:57:42 <ltinkl> all the policies are confusing
15:57:46 <Kevin_Kofler> I think having kdelibs updated in the meantime can't hurt.
15:57:52 <ltinkl> that, too
15:57:59 <ltinkl> little work
15:58:15 <rdieter_work> but, given all the pkg renames, and new splits, there is a wee-bit of disruption for existing f16 users, true
15:58:42 <Kevin_Kofler> The kdelibs update is a replacement for the 4.7.5 release upstream is too lazy to do.
15:59:08 <Kevin_Kofler> Interim between 4.7.4 and 4.8.0.
15:59:35 * jreznik is silently screaming...
15:59:36 <Kevin_Kofler> How we will offer 4.8 is another discussion, I'd vote for official update, this time there shouldn't be a big blocker like kdepim 4.7 was.
15:59:49 <rdieter_work> sorry I dropped the ball there, I generally agreed with that kde release-team decision at the time, should've brought it back here for discussion back then
16:00:19 <jreznik> we are nearly out of time guys...
16:00:41 <rdieter_work> it's worth trying I suppose
16:01:12 <jreznik> +1
16:01:19 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler: that blocker still remains, although it's less of a problem now :)
16:01:30 <Kevin_Kofler> F16 already shipped with kdepim 4.7.
16:01:39 <ltinkl> I know but it's still suboptimal
16:01:40 <Kevin_Kofler> 4.7 → 4.8 shouldn't be that big of a mess, I hope. :-)
16:01:55 <Kevin_Kofler> (crossing fingers)
16:02:01 <jreznik> don't think so due to another splits... but could be possible
16:03:15 <rdieter_work> fwiw, I filed a few items that I considered blockers against https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=kde-4.8&hide_resolved=1
16:03:43 <Kevin_Kofler> I've seen that. I hope we can get these fixed.
16:04:33 <jreznik> ok, let's finish it now - we can talk about it during the week, I have to leave :)
16:04:39 <rdieter_work> ok
16:04:42 <jreznik> thanks, good meeting :)
16:04:52 <jreznik> #endmeeting