15:02:49 #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-02-14 15:02:49 Meeting started Tue Feb 14 15:02:49 2012 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:49 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:21 #meetingname kde-sig 15:03:21 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:03:28 #topic roll call 15:03:38 Hi guys, who's present today? 15:03:48 * rnovacek is here 15:04:03 Present. 15:04:32 present 15:04:55 present 15:05:10 here (with coffee) 15:06:36 #chair rnovacek Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl rdieter 15:06:36 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek than 15:06:49 #info jreznik rnovacek Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl rdieter present 15:06:57 #topic Agenda 15:07:07 I've already added FAD planning topic 15:07:12 F17 Alpha artwork 15:08:25 how about package this nepomuk stuff: http://trueg.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/more-fun-with-tv-shows/ http://trueg.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/just-for-the-fun-of-it-browsing-music-with-nepomuk/ 15:09:01 to show our users that nepomuk is not only cpu eating monster but it's actually doing something too :) 15:09:51 sounds fun, just need to find some sucker^M^M^M^M volunteer to work on it. 15:10:00 rnovacek: How about YOU package it? ;-) 15:10:38 Kevin_Kofler: I'll gladly package it, but reviewer is still required :) 15:10:48 there are quite a lot of nice Nepomuk apps... so yeah, it makes sense 15:11:05 could add to our package wishlist (reminds me, it needs some wiki love, cleanup, and advertising that it exists) 15:11:30 I just want to hear if it makes sense to package it now 15:11:52 rnovacek: sure, go ahead 15:12:04 ok, let's start 15:12:11 rnovacek: may be premature, as there's likely no formal release yet, but if we/you aren't uncomfortable taking a git snapshot... 15:12:18 #topic KDE SIG FAD Brno planning 15:12:35 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_KDE_SIG_2012 15:14:00 FAD is in three days! yay, so we should plan for it a little bit 15:14:19 please, could you update your data? arrival/departure 15:14:33 i can take the lead wrt telepathy (esp since I'm rooming with Martin) 15:14:52 good idea on logistics (arrival, departure) 15:16:06 so please fill it :) 15:16:41 also any other ideas? 15:17:19 with my Qt 5 talk it could be initial Qt 5 packaging (as it's already after Feature Freeze, alpha is coming) 15:17:22 not sure if I should use/waste FAD time on it, but I've been meaning to give comps some love. esp with respect to all the new package splitting going on 15:18:22 jreznik: Qt5 indeed, you think it's close to packagable already? 15:18:50 rdieter: GIT snapshots but as a first try... at least to talk about how to do it properly 15:19:31 so, if I understand correctly, qt5 is modularized now? or not? 15:19:53 ie, each lib is done separately? 15:20:41 I guess we don't need details now, just come with a rough outline of a proposal, and we can probably fine-tune it from there. 15:20:55 rdieter: yep 15:21:22 I can build it from modules, it works somehow... 15:21:23 depends on how much time we have, but I also don't want to overcommit ourselves 15:21:55 otoh, we will have a good-sized group of people. :) 15:22:16 rdieter: and a lot of tasks, so you're right... 15:22:20 Kevin_Kofler, ltinkl, than : what would each of you like to work on? 15:22:30 but at least we should talk about it as it's going to happen soon 15:22:36 jreznik, cwickert, I have commited to some tasks already. 15:23:04 rdieter? 15:23:07 rnovacek too (nepomuk toys) 15:23:11 my tasks: udisk2 backend for Solid, apper and plasma-nm 15:23:32 cwickert: you're on the fad agenda already for working on lightdm 15:23:34 perhaps some PowerDevil tweaking 15:23:50 rdieter: no need to assign that to me 15:23:53 I'm not sure… I'll certainly find something to do, but I need to think of it. 15:24:14 ltinkl: if you'll make it in two days :) but yeah, some discussion and planning is welcome 15:24:17 update wiki page 15:24:44 jreznik: that udisks2 backend is almost done ;) just need some testing 15:24:56 ltinkl: nice 15:25:00 ok, so that's all? 15:25:07 I think it's enough to do... 15:25:19 Oh, BTW, are there any concrete plans on how long the Sunday session will take? Or is it open end? 15:25:44 Kevin_Kofler: probably open, some folks will be leaving throughout the day I suspect 15:26:05 jreznik: do you maintain the list of activities somewhere? 15:26:36 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_KDE_SIG_2012 15:26:51 Kevin_Kofler: yep, that's another question 15:27:17 I'm flexible, but the constraints are that 1. the last train goes at 20:22 and 2. if I want to get the cheap Czech ticket I need to know which train I will take. (There seem to be cheap tickets left, I checked online.) 15:27:55 I also need to catch Volker online of course if we want to take the same train. I don't know if he bought any tickets already. 15:28:40 * jreznik is looking at schedule 15:28:58 Of course, iIf I take a full price ticket, I can take any train. 15:29:30 (It's 24 € for a full price ticket to the Vienna city limit (Wien Süßenbrunn), I have a ticket for within vienna.) 15:30:03 I think we can use a half day on Fri, same on Saturday... on Sunday we can work in the morning, then we can have a lunch (my corporate credit card should make it, at least my old manager promised it :) and then side seeing during the way to the main station 15:30:25 I'm going to check the meeting rooms 15:32:33 For Vienna-Brno, the cheapest offer seems to be the Austrian SparSchiene at 19 €, it's not possible to get a Czech ticket for Vienna-Brno or Vienna-Brno-Vienna, only for Brno-Vienna or Brno-Vienna-Brno (and they check that you started from Brno first). 15:35:34 room schedule - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DeveloperConference2012 15:35:55 so we can take half day on Friday, LAB 3 15:36:33 and on Sat L1 - afternoon there's desktop track, so let's check what Gnome guys are working on + my talk 15:36:44 on Sun we can stay at RH office 15:38:14 jreznik: tower? would be nice 15:38:15 ok, sounds like a plan 15:38:32 jreznik: we have everything up there that we need 15:39:54 ok, I'll book it and update schedule on FAD page 15:40:35 OK 15:45:44 * jreznik_ is back... 15:47:16 ok, I think it's all for FAD 15:47:24 #topic Fedora KDE 17 Theming 15:48:15 #info beefy-miracle-kde-theme is packaged for Fedora F17+, verne-kde-theme fixed to be default only on F16 15:48:41 Kevin_Kofler worked on kde-settings (sorry I sucked there...) 15:48:55 But I screwed up the Plasma theming. :-( 15:50:09 jreznik: You said you were going to fix that, can you please do that? (Time is short…) 15:51:16 Kevin_Kofler: ok, I'll do it 15:51:40 #action jreznik to fix kde-settings 15:52:02 #info Kevin_Kofler prepared kde-settings, Plasma needs fixing 15:55:48 otherwise there are no changes in theme, mostly s/verne/beefy miracle 15:55:57 but I'd like to try do something nice again 15:56:04 anything else? 15:56:23 * rdieter offers to help with the theming, you need it (testing, whatever) 15:56:28 if you need it... 15:57:09 I'll update kde-settings, then some testing is needed but as I said - it should be ok then 15:57:18 #topic open floor 15:58:16 last nightly i686 cd size 706M, x86_64 - 701M 15:58:37 nucleo: I know. 15:58:43 We're oversized. :-( 15:59:04 why difference between i686 and x86_64? 15:59:10 I have no idea. 16:00:07 interesting that i686 was bigger, usually it's the other way around 16:00:35 for F16 i686 was 697M, x86_64 - 696M - only 1M difference 16:00:35 PAE + normal kernel? 16:00:53 #info last nightly live CDs oversized 16:01:02 nirik: oh, maybe 16:01:15 regardless, we've got some trimming to do 16:01:28 The live image supports multiple kernels now?! 16:01:59 makes sense to do so 16:02:48 Not if we're out of space… :-/ 16:03:13 only i686 kernel on cd 16:03:39 I thought so, I don't think we ever supported multiple kernels on a live image. 16:03:54 So that's not it. 16:04:52 I think we'll be forced to drop Amarok after all, even without the docs. 16:04:57 when I checked packages there was only onesmall package on i686 - if i remember correctly it was xorg driver which built only for i686 but it very small 16:05:37 I'm not sure what other fat we can trim. :-( 16:05:52 The problem must be the sizes of the common packages, not i686-only packages. 16:05:58 clementine instead of amarok? or bangarang? 16:06:31 Kevin_Kofler: +1 drop amarok for now. 16:06:52 but +1 for Amarok 16:07:01 #action Kevin_Kofler to remove Amarok for now 16:07:03 at dev conf and my working on comps and pkg spilts, we can work on space saving 16:07:11 or we can use alternative... 16:07:20 Well, gnome-disk-utility and stix-fonts could be removed, but I think each will only save ~1 MiB. 16:07:22 ok, we're over time today, anything else? 16:08:22 and what about oxygen cursors on cd? 16:08:36 No room. 16:08:40 it was discussed but is it added? 16:09:01 No. 16:10:02 ok, I'll end the meeting in one minute... 17:14:02 #endmeeting