15:24:57 #startmeeting 15:24:57 Meeting started Thu Feb 16 15:24:57 2012 UTC. The chair is tatica. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:24:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:25:09 #topic Videos : Roll Call 15:25:22 tatica pong 15:25:23 hello all!, roll call time! 15:25:25 .fas 15:25:25 tatica: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 15:25:33 .fas FranciscoD 15:25:34 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 15:25:38 .fas zoltanh721 15:25:39 zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' 15:25:52 .fas graphitefriction 15:25:53 graphite6: graphitefriction 'Sarah White' 15:26:04 .fas thunderbirdtr 15:26:05 thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' 15:26:32 * FranciscoD notes that MarkDude is probably asleep, and nitesh has exams iirc 15:27:04 nice! 15:27:46 rock'n'roll 15:27:52 so, lets take a look to last week actions 15:27:56 go go go! 15:27:59 #topic Videos: Agenda 15:28:02 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2012-02-09/fedora-design.2012-02-09-15.29.html 15:28:21 first one was ACTION: FranciscoD will add several licences to guidelines for videos (tatica, 15:45:22) 15:28:28 however, that;s done! 15:28:48 * FranciscoD hides in a corner 15:29:13 FranciscoD, lol, can you shoot us with your link and make our eyes see the light? 15:29:40 oh, the comparison page link? 15:29:51 the licences link 15:30:03 the cc+by+sa 3 or the one was choosen 15:30:52 a second 15:31:06 oka 15:31:18 http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=y&field_derivatives=sa&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=en_GB&n_questions=3 15:31:24 that one? 15:31:33 Hi everyone 15:31:35 noup, you wrote one on the wiki, send it to me later 15:31:41 I think that even mizmo check it 15:31:45 let me search on logs 15:31:53 * FranciscoD does that too 15:32:25 this link? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Thunderbirdtr/Fedora_Videos_License_Choice 15:32:45 tatica, I make it 15:32:47 tatica, sorry for late now I'm pC 15:33:01 tatica, also license was my job 15:33:14 oh was that! 15:33:17 sorry FranciscoD ! 15:33:19 ah, :P 15:33:24 nice :D 15:33:29 FranciscoD, you're free :) 15:33:30 * tatica mixed up everything 15:33:34 :) 15:33:37 * FranciscoD almost had a stroke 15:33:41 * potty is interested in participate on this project. 15:33:46 ok, so please take a look and let me know if you have any comments on this with the regular ! 15:33:54 tatica, Well graphite6 was showed to link every one please check to license 15:34:13 * FranciscoD goes through the page 15:34:14 If anything want to say about license or idea please shout 15:34:18 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Thunderbirdtr/Fedora_Videos_License_Choice 15:34:37 looks okay 15:35:00 we can add "If you're unsure of the licensing of your content, please contact us and we'll help you out" 15:35:08 since, not everyone is license savy? 15:35:31 sure 15:35:38 can you please add it? 15:35:42 okey I will add it 15:35:48 or FranciscoD please 15:35:55 * FranciscoD gets right on it 15:35:58 #agreed Licence Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike License 3.0 Unported and guideliness page DONE! 15:36:08 tatica, can you add main page then 15:36:13 sure 15:36:50 done 15:36:55 ok, so lets move to next topic 15:36:55 tatica, Thank you 15:37:08 tatica, I have one more thing 15:37:10 about this 15:37:17 oh, sure, shoot 15:37:21 About main page 15:37:28 Can we move to page a main wiki 15:37:43 sure, let me keep on the agenda and then jump there 15:37:46 For now We used as nitesh page 15:37:46 can we seperate ? 15:37:52 tatica, ok 15:37:55 #topic Videos: Categories 15:38:01 Topic: graphite6 thunderbirdtr niteshnarayanlal will edit the category section for simplification 15:38:09 tatica, ! 15:38:17 I think we agreed that we will not focus on this, but then will requiere go back to a simplification 15:38:20 thunderbirdtr, go 15:38:33 tatica, Actually I did that too for category page 15:38:43 thunderbirdtr, :O link! 15:38:50 tatica, just a sec 15:38:52 ! 15:39:05 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials/Guidelines#Video_Categories 15:39:08 thunderbirdtr, eof? 15:39:14 eof 15:39:18 FranciscoD, go 15:39:24 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials/Guidelines#Video_Categories 15:39:29 oh, just please refresh the license page 15:39:34 added an admon 15:39:35 eof 15:39:38 ! 15:39:44 * thunderbirdtr I'm on it 15:40:13 oki 15:40:20 so I think we are done with categories too! 15:40:23 next topic 15:40:28 ! 15:40:38 thunderbirdtr, go 15:40:47 For categories 15:41:02 Can we add main categories to main page 15:41:08 and I will add to link for it 15:41:13 please! do that! yes! 15:41:23 ok 15:41:30 ! 15:41:34 zoltanh7211, go 15:41:53 I also missing here direct infrastructure category 15:42:17 where we can tell to the people what does an ambassador 15:42:35 * tatica thinks that zoltanh7211 just read her mind 15:42:35 ! 15:42:42 tasks, and howto's in event relations 15:42:44 EOF 15:42:55 tatica, me! 15:43:00 gogo 15:43:04 yeap, I have a couple of new tasks that will add after last topic for today 15:43:07 lol 15:43:08 eof 15:43:22 ok, next topic was request by Nitesh, but he cannot join us today 15:43:28 #topic Videos: Start page 15:43:33 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials/MeetingAgendas 15:43:36 ups 15:43:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials/MeetingAgendas 15:43:51 "Nitesh Narayan Lal I was thinking that may be for now we should make a small start from a place and we should start putting on videos there for the time being . For now we can take the videos made by fedora members itself as they will be knowing the terms to be followed for putting a video here. Side by side We can keep discussing the other details for the launch of the fedora videos on a more sustainable platform and once every piece gets into its 15:43:51 place , we can kick off my merging both the things." 15:43:58 eof 15:44:08 tatica, you don't need the #link if your message start with http :) 15:44:19 ! 15:44:37 shaiton, really? you made me happy :$ 15:44:40 FranciscoD, go 15:45:16 Agree with what Nitesh has said. We should start getting videos already, even while we set up. That way, when we finally do set up, we already have a bunch of videos to showcase. 15:45:26 ! 15:45:31 ! 15:45:45 If we make the call for videos after everythings done, it will kinda be empty for the first few days.. : 15:45:47 ! 15:45:49 EOF 15:45:51 graphite6, go 15:46:07 I was trying to find some videos for nitesh's example page 15:46:10 ! 15:46:12 ! 15:46:33 I realized I have a ton of people who develop open source but use macs 15:46:41 this got me thinking 15:46:48 we need some videos 15:46:54 ! 15:47:03 of how-tos showing how to make screencasts etc 15:47:05 * thunderbirdtr think before videos we need handle intro 15:47:28 on fedora to help all these non-open source environment people 15:47:32 eof 15:47:39 thunderbirdtr, go 15:48:27 thunderbirdtr, What will do about video intro ? Everyone say "We need add videos" 15:48:31 I accept that 15:48:36 but first things first 15:48:49 Before videos we need at least intro for videos 15:48:57 eof 15:48:57 ? 15:48:59 tatica, go 15:49:08 no 15:49:14 So I feel that what we need to do ahead is this: 1.- get an introduction mail and text to invite people to join us. 2.- do a video with the same because.... we are pushing videos. 3.- do that intro/outro or whatever so if people want to use it have it already. 4.- build a nice wikipage (official) with everything we acomplish on the past 2 weeks. EOF 15:49:25 (forget that no, was a mixed no from other chat) 15:49:31 zoltanh7211, go 15:49:38 What we need first I think is that we must provide small cutscenes, intros that has been approved with fedora logo, then we are ready to involve others 15:50:02 ? 15:50:02 ! 15:50:11 zoltanh7211, +1 15:50:14 after it it easier to just include others works 15:50:18 * tatica could make something easy with blender or a small jpg 15:50:22 * tatica find some reference links 15:50:43 and I also propose subtitling if the material contains speech 15:50:55 zoltanh7211, +1 15:51:01 that way doesn't matter who made the video 15:51:14 but we can make it internationally 15:51:23 zoltanh7211, +1 15:51:35 maybe its also a good reason to start an TX category 15:51:40 EOF 15:51:47 * tatica remind... guys, try to write ahead and on your turn just hit enter :) 15:51:47 FranciscoD, go 15:52:21 So what I guess everyone's getting at is that we need to *formalize* the entire process of submitting a video 15:52:42 when I say "formalize", I mean we need to write a step by step guide on how one should go about it. 15:52:57 A "how to make a fedora video" if you will 15:53:30 step 1. choose your topic, 2. make your video 3. write a transcript 4. add intro branding [link] 5. add exit branding [link] 15:53:33 for example.. 15:53:41 and yes, we should begin with it 15:53:42 FranciscoD, +1 We need prepare "how to make video" 15:53:54 #action Formalize a Step by Step guide on how summit a video 15:53:54 that way we will know what issues others may face first hand 15:54:03 #action Formalize a Step by Step guide on how to make a fedora video 15:54:08 +1 15:54:13 we'll also be in a position to help folks out if issues come up 15:54:17 +1 15:54:18 eof :) 15:54:27 thunderbirdtr, go 15:54:37 ? I didn't raise ? 15:54:37 * FranciscoD basically means "lead by example" in a way 15:54:47 ok 15:54:48 graphite6, go 15:54:56 Sorry if being stupid...what would the intro video be about? 15:55:02 And I totally agree with a how to make a fedora video video...is this what the intro video would be? 15:55:02 ! 15:55:10 graphite6, just a pre-logo or something like that 15:55:14 * tatica will search an example 15:55:31 gotcha :) 15:55:37 eof? 15:55:39 eof 15:55:40 potty, go 15:56:01 I agree with Francisco idea 15:56:22 I think we should have a similar but in video 15:56:33 #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP584ZbiqRE 15:56:42 #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dqNIsefKpg 15:56:51 #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_VXX-EjSDI 15:56:56 And have a IRC questions and answers sessions to clarify doubts 15:57:08 Eof 15:57:10 FranciscoD, go 15:57:29 #link http://blip.tv/tatica-tv/fedora-funny-faces-be-happy-4813684 15:57:34 answering graphite6 's question: 15:57:41 those are my examples, eof (sorry to jump you FranciscoD :P ) 15:57:52 the intro is like a short overlay that shows what the video is about, who made it, what the license is 15:58:08 and yeah, making a video on "how to make a fedora video" is a *great* idea 15:58:16 * thunderbirdtr thinks I should get cofee for tatica :)) 15:58:33 gotcha, thanks for the clarification! 15:58:36 thunderbirdtr, oh dear.... we will talk about that once meeting is over :P 15:58:47 eof 15:58:52 * FranciscoD forgot that, sorry 15:58:53 ok, so is everyone ok if I change topic to set our new tasks for next meeting? 15:59:00 yeap 15:59:02 yes 15:59:07 good! 15:59:09 #topic Videos: New tasks 15:59:11 ! 15:59:12 * thunderbirdtr nice video for first one 15:59:14 tatica, me! 15:59:38 ok... so I believe this should be our new tasks, please correct me or add or change... or destroy the universe with this 15:59:56 1.- Create a welcome text for wiki and mail lists inviting people to send their videos 16:00:23 2.- use the guideliness we already did and write a step by step how to for create videos (remember will not only be screencasts. so must be open) 16:00:46 2.- use the guideliness we already did and write a step by step how to for sending yout videos (first step... would be add to archive.org the original) 16:00:50 maybe 2 should come before 1 here, you can then give the link in the email too? 16:00:53 ups, that's 3 16:00:58 yeah, sure! 16:01:10 * FranciscoD wonders how tatica is going to rearrange it ;) 16:01:17 :) 16:01:30 * thunderbirdtr have bad feeling about FranciscoD 16:01:38 and 4.- provide them an intro/outro OR we should add that since they might don't know how to add it so they all look the same (I would rather to add the intros myself since there is some edition to add names, titles, etc) 16:01:40 eof 16:01:50 thunderbirdtr: O_o 16:02:04 ok, who wants to add something? 16:02:14 just minute please for me 16:02:20 np 16:02:22 ! 16:02:23 oh I found 16:02:24 ! 16:02:29 ! 16:02:33 LOL fond an idea? out there? 16:02:36 FranciscoD, go 16:02:38 :$ 16:02:47 tatica: agree with 4. we could do the intro etc ourselves. Will help maintain uniformity. 16:02:50 eof 16:02:57 thunderbirdtr, go 16:03:04 For video making guide 16:03:21 also We should add our experience about recording 16:03:24 As you all know 16:03:34 some records can have problem like for quality 16:03:39 for others issures 16:03:47 Can we this too in our guide 16:03:48 oef 16:03:54 zoltanh7211, go 16:04:41 I think for intro outro we could make only one type - that identifies us 16:04:50 zoltanh7211, +1 16:04:58 ! 16:04:59 and our rules 16:05:14 thunderbirdtr, +1 16:05:17 and after in one cutscene we can add the title and the theme 16:05:32 but for Advertising 16:05:49 tatica your anim 4F 16:05:55 is just wonderful 16:06:02 zoltanh7211, :P was just a test 16:06:03 I WANT to use it 16:06:10 jejeje :$ 16:06:11 * tatica blush 16:06:19 EOF 16:06:21 tatica, I like that too but I prefer in ENG :) 16:06:25 tatica, go! 16:06:27 I would rather an outro in that case, since if someone did a "join fedora video that already has an awesome start would look awful. so we could have both options depending on the video (but always the same intro or outro depending). Does this make sense?. EOF 16:06:44 ! 16:06:48 FranciscoD, go 16:06:50 ! 16:07:02 we could always ask the submitter for any submission comments 16:07:19 where they could kinda tell us "it would be better to add an outro to this one" types? 16:07:26 eof 16:07:40 tatica, me :P 16:07:41 well, I think I can bring lets see 2-3 examples or try so we can choose or at least give it shape. But if I focus on intro/outro I won't be able to work on writing. So can anyone of you handle the welcome section, howto and guide? eof 16:08:16 I can write something, what do you want to get rid of? 16:08:19 well - the simpliest outro will need an closing, and thank you and the licence part either 16:08:29 yeap 16:08:55 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting#Istanbul 16:09:28 well... tasks would be 16:09:36 1.- write welcome page and mail 16:09:47 2.- write howto summit videos 16:09:53 3.- make intro outro 16:10:07 I won't focus on "how to record a video"since I suppor russell last week idea 16:10:19 what if I don't record a screncast and do a video with cams? 16:10:34 tatica, FranciscoD I think that must be free 16:10:35 so that can actually be a user video that people can send to us, a how to record screencast with different tools 16:10:40 as long as its good quality, and the licensing is okay, no issues at all 16:10:49 so I won't set it as a tasks for next week, only those 3 16:10:54 licensing is a must, and quality is obviously required :) 16:11:12 FranciscoD, in that case I prefer ffmpeg 16:11:21 ! 16:11:30 I can work on tasks 1 and 2, do we have a deadline? 16:11:44 next week meeting :D I think that has work ok so far 16:11:48 FranciscoD, go for it 16:11:51 next week works 16:11:58 #topic Videos: Open floor - Tasks 16:11:58 ! 16:12:03 I'll try to make some screen casts and document the process 16:12:12 go boys! feel free and liberated from the ! master! 16:12:14 lol 16:12:19 :D 16:12:19 12min open floor 16:12:21 about the sourcing, lets keep an open mind and take it case by case 16:12:28 :) 16:12:35 tatica, give me 2 16:12:51 there are soo many formats and sources, cams, screen casts etc that its really difficult to make a hard fast rule book 16:12:52 thunderbirdtr, 2 minutes? 2 tasks? 2 cookies? 2 coffees? 16:13:01 2 bacon strips for me 16:13:03 eof 16:13:05 yeap, that's why i didn't add it as task 16:13:06 LOL 16:13:18 thunderbirdtr, zoltanh7211 feel free to talk guys :) 16:13:22 I haven't had enough coffee yet 16:13:26 tatica, Second task and I will get to coffees :Ğ 16:13:29 :P 16:13:38 I can suggest tools that I have missed from the page: Pitivi, OpenShot, and Imagination 16:13:39 ok, so I will assign to you second tasks thunderbirdtr 16:13:43 Can I help/do task 1? 16:13:51 graphite6: sure :) 16:13:55 tatica, As you wish madam :) 16:13:56 graphite6, sure, pick one 16:14:01 if someone else have it, then make a team 16:14:22 1.- write welcome page and mail 16:14:22 2.- write howto summit videos 16:14:22 3.- make intro outro 16:14:28 tatica, 16:14:38 #action tatica will bring a couple of ideas for intro/outro next week 16:14:41 Okay, I'll create a welcome message on the wiki and draft the email inviting people to submit 16:14:45 Can we move pages to main wiki ? 16:14:58 thunderbirdtr: yes, we forgot that task :X 16:15:12 thunderbirdtr: add it: 4. .... :) 16:15:16 we should start doing that thunderbirdtr yes 16:15:21 however, I would like to do it organized 16:15:28 lets set which url will we use 16:15:29 Thank you 16:16:00 how about thunderbirdtr do it his way, and we can always move wiki pages if we come across a better organization scheme? 16:16:00 EASY! 16:16:03 IS FREEEEEEE 16:16:03 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Videos 16:16:13 go and take it NOW!!! 16:16:16 NOW NOW NOW NOW 16:16:21 thunderbirdtr: move move move! 16:16:21 :P 16:16:25 :D 16:16:30 lol 16:16:30 OKEY 16:16:33 I will add it all 16:16:34 :D 16:16:42 ok, so lets just start adding all info there, I can work on style once is done 16:16:44 the category is "Fedora videos", think that works 16:16:54 you guys are way too energetic, lol 16:17:01 no no 16:17:07 easier url, easier SEO work, easier to find 16:17:10 videos :D 16:17:15 :$ :$ :$ :$ :$ plissssss 16:17:26 and please, when the announcement goes out, publicise people! 16:17:39 I think we can do an announcement next week 16:17:42 tweet, identi.ca, facebook, google+, blogs, mailing lists etc etc 16:17:44 once we review everything 16:17:47 aye 16:17:55 What a mess 16:17:58 for all of you :P 16:18:18 I need to ask sorry if you guys feel that I'm delaying things 16:18:28 however, I don't want to come back to fix old issues 16:18:31 * FranciscoD has all night 16:18:40 I rather to take time to do things right since begining 16:18:46 tatica++ 16:18:54 so when people want to add a video starting next week, he can find anything he needs first hand 16:18:55 tatica, +1 16:19:21 tatica +1 no worries 16:19:25 so, I think that if we have everything done for next week, we should go for it 16:19:40 endmeeting? :( ? 16:19:41 tatica, I will delete 16:19:44 tasks 16:19:46 * FranciscoD was having fun :P 16:19:47 for main page 16:19:48 ok, so who wants to help thunderbirdtr with summit video guidelines? 16:19:49 or not ? 16:19:56 * FranciscoD will help thunderbirdtr :) 16:19:57 and graphite6 with welcome messages? 16:20:05 yes 16:20:12 Thank you FranciscoD 16:20:14 will work on welcome messages 16:20:19 tatica, !!! Can we ? 16:20:46 thunderbirdtr, I haven't add tasks yet 16:21:00 I'm waiting for you guys to set who will work on each one 16:21:13 Me and FranciscoD select 2 16:21:19 graphite6, Was select 1 16:21:20 aye 16:21:22 oka 16:21:24 I would like to help in guidelines 16:21:28 who can give graphite6 a hand? 16:21:33 Yes, I'll do 1 16:21:40 zoltanh7211: sure, more the merrier :) 16:21:45 :D 16:21:52 potty wanted to, i think he got disconnected 16:22:04 hmm ok, then i will contact him 16:22:04 I've got some guys on my side who will help me, they couldn't make it to meeting 16:22:14 let me add tasks and finish meeting since there is other one on way I think 16:22:16 is that ok? 16:22:21 aye 16:22:23 do it 16:22:26 yes 16:22:28 then I will move all page 16:22:34 to main video section 16:22:36 and all links 16:22:36 #action thunderbirdtr FranciscoD and zoltanh7211 will work on how summit a video guideliness for next week 16:22:40 for ready one 16:23:01 #action graphite6 will work on start message and welcome wiki - also on mail invitations for next week 16:23:17 #action thunderbirdtr will move content to main wiki which will be http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Videos 16:23:23 #info main wiki will be http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Videos 16:23:24 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Videos 16:23:34 * FranciscoD shhh.. someone will steal it.. 16:23:36 ok, so is that it? everyone agree? any final comment? 16:23:51 just min 16:24:06 agree 16:24:06 For you tatica find intro ideas and concepts 16:24:18 XD 16:24:26 3.- make intro outro 16:24:33 oh, I already add that one :D 16:24:47 :) 16:24:51 then we're good to endmeeting I guess 16:24:57 YAY! 16:25:07 Tatica 16:25:22 zoltanh7211, yes? 16:25:29 Should I recreate the video that I have sent to you in openshot? 16:25:30 FranciscoD, please If she do that I have to get coffee from turkey and send her place :D 16:25:36 lol 16:25:41 thunderbirdtr: good luck with that :P 16:25:44 zoltanh7211, lets stay after meeting and talk about that 16:25:50 ok, sorry 16:25:54 FranciscoD, Thank you 16:25:58 thank you guys!!! is a complete pleasure to work with you :$ 16:26:01 #endmeeting