04:00:56 #startmeeting 04:00:56 Meeting started Sun Feb 26 04:00:56 2012 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:01:07 :) 04:01:12 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_recommendations 04:01:15 .fas dramsey 04:01:18 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:01:22 .fas izhar 04:01:23 KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' 04:01:31 #meetingname apac-fudcon-recommendations 04:01:31 The meeting name has been set to 'apac-fudcon-recommendations' 04:01:37 .fas tuanta 04:01:38 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:01:41 .fas rbergero 04:01:42 rbergeron: rbergero 'Robyn Bergeron' - bergeror 'Ron Bergeron' 04:01:48 .fas kulll 04:01:50 kulll: kulll 'khairul anwar' 04:01:51 hello everyone 04:02:16 FPL also here wow awesome ;) 04:02:23 #chair harish dramsey Suresht KageSenshi rbergeron kulll 04:02:23 Current chairs: KageSenshi Suresht dramsey harish kulll rbergeron tuanta 04:02:41 * harish i will be an observer and contribute as needed. this meeting has to be community led 04:03:03 * KageSenshi poke rebelkode 04:03:07 thanks harish 04:03:13 im here KageSenshi 04:03:14 Thank you all. ;) 04:03:23 #chair rebelkode 04:03:23 Current chairs: KageSenshi Suresht dramsey harish kulll rbergeron rebelkode tuanta 04:03:28 sorry updates might be slow 04:03:32 from my end 04:03:40 .fas wariola 04:03:41 wariola: wariola 'Syamsul Anuar' 04:03:55 .fas rebelkode 04:03:56 harish: 'rebelkode' Not Found! 04:04:13 I think all of you know the topic of today meeting, right? 04:04:20 fudcon? 04:04:23 #chair wariola 04:04:23 Current chairs: KageSenshi Suresht dramsey harish kulll rbergeron rebelkode tuanta wariola 04:04:26 i hope so :) 04:04:31 Me, too 04:04:32 #chair ku1918 04:04:32 Current chairs: KageSenshi Suresht dramsey harish ku1918 kulll rbergeron rebelkode tuanta wariola 04:05:16 can i make a few comments before you guys get started? 04:05:28 while we wait for any others to arrive 04:05:31 sure, zodbot 04:05:37 rbergeron 04:05:45 please 04:05:55 * rbergeron and zodbot sort of look alike these days.. i'm like a robot saying things and stuff :) 04:06:26 :) 04:06:46 I just want to tell everyone - this isn't a "contest" - there's no winning or losing here - so if there are updates or changes to your plans, please, by all means, tell us what they are 04:06:55 so .. erm .. who leading the meeting ? 04:07:05 running a fudcon doesn't make you a hero - if anything, it probably makes you a little bit crazy :) 04:07:28 haha :) 04:07:41 so please be honest in your abilities to put things on - and it's not a loss if we aren't sure that we can do one, we just had a fudcon 3 months ago in apac, and there's nothing wrong with waiting, either, if that's the best thing to do. 04:07:44 true 04:07:50 EOF :) 04:08:05 * rbergeron is running bac and forth between computer and kkitchen 04:08:37 .fas ku1918 04:08:38 dramsey: 'ku1918' Not Found! 04:09:00 Thank you, rbergeron. I appreciate your input. ;) 04:09:21 here are some links you should have today: 04:09:23 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2012-February/003322.html 04:09:37 .fas rebelk0de 04:09:38 rebelkode: 'rebelk0de' Not Found! 04:09:40 and #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/258#comment:8 04:09:43 damn... 04:10:21 rebelkode, your fas username ???not nick 04:10:38 yes i had it as that 04:10:50 need to register new acct.. its been a while 04:10:59 ! 04:11:00 may i know your email 04:11:09 please dramsey 04:11:26 Tuan, should we discuss the teams and their capabilities for the FUDCon bid? 04:11:28 I have the strongest confidence in both the Malaysian as as well as Philippean teams. 04:11:41 first of all, I think we should make an agreement that: FUDCon 2012 should happen 04:11:47 +1 dramsey 04:11:55 +1 Tuanta 04:11:55 rebelkode@gmail.com 04:12:09 .fas rebelkode@gmail.com 04:12:09 Suresht: 'rebelkode@gmail.com' Not Found! 04:12:19 i'm neutral on whether its this year or next year .. though the local team want it this year . 04:12:24 0 (zero) not o 04:12:43 but yes email is o my bad 04:12:47 rebelkode, i hope you did not update your profile recently 04:13:05 yes i did because i cant remeber my old acct.. as i said...its been a while 04:13:06 Understood KageSenshi. Your team has experience and has shown well. 04:13:26 rebelkode, Suresht: you should concentrate on the main topics 04:13:31 * rbergeron would like to see if local teams are able to commit rather than agreeing it should happen :) I think we all agree that we want it to happen, but i think that we really want to see if the logistics rae still possible 04:13:37 noted tuanta 04:14:02 rebelkode, ok no worries ;) will see later sorry tuanta ;) 04:14:09 rebelkode is our person that in charge of the venue (he works there) .. 04:14:22 great KageSenshi 04:14:42 i would like to ask: what are the main concerns abt running the event this year? 04:15:47 rbergeron, as our agreement on the Jan21 meeting, we (APAC ambassadors) recommended MY for FUDCon APAC 2012 04:15:58 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-01-21/apac.2012-01-21-04.00.html 04:16:00 /me rebelkode is working at APIIT? 04:16:08 harish, yep 04:16:13 yep I am 04:16:15 "AGREED: APAC ambassadors support MY bidding for FUDCon APAC 2012 (tuanta, 05:23:28)" 04:16:34 +1 04:16:58 harish, one of the ppl in the team who managed to run foss.my 2008 in 30 days planning XD .. 04:17:20 yes, i remember that at APIIT and Stallman appearing there as well. 04:17:33 at that time, MY should be the best choice 04:17:47 +1 rbergeron 04:17:48 stallman in 2009, though that was 3 months planning iirc .. 04:17:52 now we can ask KageSenshi and MY team all questions 04:18:05 sure pls go ahead 04:18:19 ! 04:18:26 who is the lead on the MY bid? 04:18:35 * rbergeron doesn't see that clearly listed, just a list of people towards the bottom 04:18:37 ppl in the team who are here : KageSenshi , rebelkode , kulll , wariola| 04:18:49 rbergeron, me 04:19:00 +1 04:19:00 please dramsey 04:19:07 kagesenshi: do you have any idea if the hotels, location sre still available 04:19:20 Concur rbergeron on commitment. KageSenshi and rbelkode, your team is A-okay for 100% commitment to support the FUDCon, correct. Heherson's team are willing to support as well. 04:19:38 rbergeron, in term of venue, is still available .. in fact we've pre-confirmed it .. in term of hotel, we need to check it again .. 04:19:38 +1 dramsey 04:19:51 though theres several choices around 04:20:05 understood, KageSenshi 04:20:21 rebelkode, u know any recent info on hotels? 04:20:50 there are quite a number of hotels around here 04:20:53 btw, #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia 04:21:16 we normally like to group everyone toether in one hotel or as few as possible 04:21:16 and if the hotel is far from the venue we'll have to get transport arranged 04:21:20 which can be done easily 04:21:39 ive not heard of any "fully booked" hotels around that period 04:21:58 is there a hotel within walking distance? 04:22:04 we still have time to book hotl rooms 04:22:09 none of them show the distance from hotel to facility 04:22:18 walking distance - no, but transport can be arranged for a small fee 04:22:31 fee to be paid to the transport company of course 04:22:49 rebelkode, how far is it from the hotel to the venue? 04:22:57 there are multiple hotel s listed 04:23:32 gimme a minute 04:23:32 * rbergeron notes lots of times people come late / leave early / etc. 04:23:33 let me check 04:23:49 closest hotel would be abt 4 to 5 KM away 04:24:49 are there any average costs right now for air travel from some of the other apac locations to KL? 04:24:49 I prefer rooms for 4 ppl; it saves our money a lot to sponsor more ppl attend 04:24:56 rebelkode, dont forget the bukit jalil/sri petaling train station 04:25:01 * rbergeron just sees links to find out 04:25:49 KageSenshi, perhaps i should explain in full 04:25:59 rebelkode, yep 04:26:11 the closest hotel is palace of the golden horses - abt 3 KM away 04:26:25 then there is hotel sri petaling - about 4 to 5 KM away 04:26:37 rbergeron, it's easy to travel from Hanoi to KL: cheap air fare, no visa needed; 04:26:46 hotel sri petaling is cheaper 04:26:47 * rbergeron notes that listing the distances in the wiki page would make it easier whe famsco looks at the bid 04:26:51 the airline prices are here (in MYR) http://fedora.foss.org.my/docs/fudcon-kl-2012/AirAsiaPrice.csv/view 04:26:52 tuanta: define "cheap" 04:27:10 we have train stations that stop close by - and as mentioned, transport can be arranged for attendees / speakers from hotels & train stations if we can get everyone organized 04:27:18 most of the fudcons normally list the actual prices 04:27:22 in their bids 04:27:53 how recent are those prices? 04:27:54 yes, rbergeron, it's around $250-$300; of course MY team should have the full list 04:27:59 yez ku1918, hotel sri petaling is cheaper 04:29:04 depend on ur budget whether u would prefer hotel sri petaling or golden horses 04:29:22 yet still have to check whether there is empy room or not 04:29:27 empty* 04:29:51 rbergeron, http://fedora.foss.org.my/docs/fudcon-kl-2012/AirAsiaPrice.csv/view .. linked in the wiki, we didnt put it directly in the wiki because of the long list.. airasia provides relatively cheap travel for destinations around southeastasia .. average around 300-500usd on normal price, and even lower on promo price 04:31:21 that's great, KageSenshi 04:31:26 +1 04:32:05 300-500 <- 2 ways 04:32:35 do you guys have the time to dedicate to this? 04:32:56 it will likely be 1-3 hours a week for the next few months 04:33:01 and more as we get closer 04:33:21 I will be able to dedicate the time 04:33:24 will need a bit of juggling, but yep, i do 04:33:32 KageSenshi, the time changed already? 04:33:46 meng, huh ?? .. 04:33:57 still on 1st March? 04:34:08 on March-May ? 04:34:28 meng, our suggested dates : 18th - 20th May 2012 04:34:34 +1 04:34:34 starts on 18th May, meng 04:34:43 +1 04:34:46 no change there? 04:35:03 +1 04:35:14 +1 KageSenshi 04:35:22 meng, no change, and rebelkode will need to ensure that .. :) 04:35:27 you will have enough time for preparing 04:35:32 can easily pitch in myself being partially unemployed 04:36:04 we'll need all the help we can get from the APIIT FOSS SIG 04:36:10 MavJS and I will work on that 04:36:15 gotta have a meeting by next week 04:36:19 Lets do it then 04:36:23 KageSenshi will also engage non APIIT VLNT :) 04:36:31 * harish notes visa requirement from the Malaysian High Commission in Australia - http://www.malaysia.org.au/travel6.html 04:36:32 +1 04:36:58 okay, i thik we have a sense now of the MY team - is there anything from the other teams that they want to say to famsco before famsco make a recommendation as well 04:37:10 ! 04:37:37 i think the team needs to spend the next day or two refining the wiki to show info about visas, hotels, airfares. 04:37:38 go ahead suresht 04:37:40 please Suresht 04:37:49 from sri lanka(colombo) it will be around $300(return ticket)and 3 working days for getting visa to MY 04:37:52 eof 04:37:59 +1 harish 04:38:02 +1 harish 04:38:08 ! 04:38:17 that's useful information, Suresht 04:38:26 go ahead dramsey 04:38:27 anyone from beijing or PH teams? 04:38:35 I recollect that Maggie, AOL, and Heherson offered to provide their full support to KageSenshi's team. efo 04:38:39 s/efo/eof 04:38:49 +1 on tha 04:38:49 +1 dramsey 04:38:52 +1 on that 04:39:01 #action KageSenshi and team to update info about visas, hotels, airfares into the wiki .. updated to most recent prices .. 04:39:19 rbergeron, CN team has not attended any APAC meetings :( 04:39:38 +1 KageSenshi 04:39:45 +1 04:40:13 KageSenshi, sponsored attendees list confirmed? 04:40:23 meng, that to be done later 04:40:36 meng, must confirm its happening first :) 04:40:58 ? 04:41:08 please inode0 04:41:11 inode0: go 04:41:42 roughly what is the existing size of the Fedora community in these three locations now? 04:42:42 inode0, as I know, the biggest (active) team is PH 04:42:53 +1 04:42:54 my guess is that PH and MY about the same, CN much much less 04:43:04 +1 04:43:07 +1 harish 04:43:14 for malaysia, its more of a mixed community .. couldnt really give an exact numbers .. mosc.my conference had quite plenty of ppl .. wariola| u remember how many ppl attended last mosc.my conference ? .. 04:43:28 not being familiar the same could be 2 in each or 250 in each? 04:43:37 and Malaysia is near Singapore where Red Hat office located 04:43:46 foss.my on 2009 had around 500 attendees .. 04:44:07 i would expect around 100-200 attendees i guess for fudcon .. 04:44:40 I'm asking about the number of Fedora people who are in the area though, not how many we expect to come 04:45:38 I just don't have any idea of the size of these communities and I would like to know it is more than 3 people 04:45:50 KageSenshi, like how many local ambassadors + FAS acc holders? 04:46:52 a quick query from FAS, theres 37 Malaysian FAS accounts 04:47:07 +1 04:47:20 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification 04:47:30 then there is some people who don't have FAS accounts but actively help out in events locally 04:47:36 yep 04:47:44 +1 04:47:46 #chair Suresht 04:47:46 Current chairs: KageSenshi Suresht dramsey harish ku1918 kulll rbergeron rebelkode tuanta wariola 04:47:50 (mostly those who helps out doesnt have FAS .. >.<) 04:47:51 that's cool, KageSenshi 04:47:53 +1 04:48:27 we sorta have a understanding in helping each other out, no matter the distro or even Linux vs. FreeBSD 04:48:54 also got help from the OpenSUSE guy here too 04:49:13 great, meng 04:49:21 that's similar in Vietnam 04:49:33 Debian guys too 04:49:36 #chair meng 04:49:36 Current chairs: KageSenshi Suresht dramsey harish ku1918 kulll meng rbergeron rebelkode tuanta wariola 04:49:36 we are all FOSS contributors 04:50:06 any more questions for bid teams? 04:50:23 is anyone from PH here? 04:50:36 no one, inode0 04:50:41 :( 04:51:10 but we have their message to help MY team if necessary 04:51:24 +1 04:51:47 I think MY team should take FUDCon this year, then PH for the next year 04:51:57 +1 A very organized as well as capable team to help support. 04:52:12 we agreed that in the meeting Jan21 04:52:25 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-01-21/apac.2012-01-21-04.00.html 04:52:27 also they have harish supports as well ;) 04:52:48 i'll support no matter where it is anyway :-) 04:52:51 harish, can you confirm! :) 04:52:58 +1 04:53:28 i mean RH sg near the MY venue(i might be wrong) 04:53:53 3 - 5 hours drive is close enough I say 04:54:08 cool, meng 04:54:17 1 hour flight away 04:54:23 any other questions for teams? 04:54:26 +1 for train 04:54:37 yes, KL is a 3hr drive 45min flight 04:54:40 for me 04:54:47 dramsey, overnight train 04:55:00 almost an hour passed 04:55:02 even bus is faster 04:55:28 ! 04:55:41 meng, I have been SG from KL by overnight train :) 04:55:51 please harish 04:55:54 note that no matter who does this, it is going to be a sustained sprint from today to the event. 04:56:06 +1 Harish, very true 04:56:07 damn straight. 04:56:10 we have much to do. 04:56:14 a) getting speakers 04:56:31 b) doing the event more like a barcamp not a traditional speaker model. 04:56:43 c) organizing the hotels/travel deals. 04:56:48 KageSenshi, you should note these all 04:56:55 yep 04:56:56 d) location needs: wifi, 04:56:58 d) getting famsco to actually confirm etc :) (though at this point i think it's a formality..) 04:57:15 D) transportation and visa 04:57:16 e) on location: badges, program booklet, 04:57:30 doing the sponsoring of attendees, tickets, submitting for sponsorship, etc. :) 04:57:58 that's great and very helpful information, harish 04:58:00 :D 04:58:04 in terms of publicity, i can rope in RH APAC marketing 04:58:23 and the RH MY folks. 04:58:26 harish, cool .. that'll help greatly :D 04:58:37 +1 Harish :) These are actions for after the meeting and I strongly believe that the MY team is up to accomplishing these objectives. eof :) 04:58:49 but key thing here is being responsive and on-the-ball about the event 04:59:02 for which we have about 3 months. 04:59:28 dramsey, indeed. wanted to put them into the minutes of this meeting. 04:59:50 +1 Harish, thank you. We strongly listen to everyone's words. MY team is spot on to commitment as well as mission objectives. :) 05:00:10 +1 dramsey 05:00:13 ! 05:00:25 please dramsey 05:00:29 KageSenshi, I believe in your team. eof 05:00:32 btw, for event planning ML, should it be on malaysian-users or should i just call everyone to be on fudcon-planning ? .. 05:00:43 fudcon planning 05:00:50 ....and i think we still want to run this by famsco 05:00:53 :) 05:00:57 ok :) 05:01:03 not just assume :) 05:01:06 +1 rbergeron 05:01:38 btw, I see some ppl in famsco are not active; that's a big concern 05:01:49 #action getting speakers 05:01:57 #action doing the event more like a barcamp not a traditional speaker model. 05:02:07 #action organizing the hotels/travel deals. 05:02:10 +1 dramsey 05:02:29 my idea is -> 1st day traditional speaker model .. the rest, barcamp .. 05:02:40 KageSenshi, that's fine as well. 05:02:41 +1 KageSenshi 05:02:48 #action location needs: wifi, getting famsco to actually confirm, and on location: badges, program booklet, in terms of publicity 05:03:08 #chair FranciscoD 05:03:08 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi Suresht dramsey harish ku1918 kulll meng rbergeron rebelkode tuanta wariola 05:03:19 * FranciscoD sits in a corner 05:03:28 KageSenshi, it may be good; although I think barcamp style is better 05:03:35 #action GIVING THE RECOMMENDATION YET AGAIN TO FAMSCO BEFORE MAKING ANY ASSUMPTIONS :) 05:04:31 :) 05:04:33 I think until this time, MY team is the most ready one for FUDCon APAC 2012 05:04:59 :) 05:05:04 i think at this point we really need to just update the visa section and confirm the hotel availability for the MY bid, perhaps with information about hotel distances, and someone needs to write the mail to ambassadors and famsco lists after this meeting 05:05:08 with info 05:05:14 should we have another #agreed? 05:05:16 so famsco can do whatever they need to do 05:05:31 no 05:05:35 i think we all agree enough :) 05:05:45 i need someone to voluntee to send that stuff to famsco 05:05:50 and put the information IN THE TICKET 05:05:51 rbergeron :) 05:05:58 old logs, new logs, whatever 05:06:16 I put the old meeting log already 05:06:30 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/258#comment:8 05:07:00 +1 05:07:10 tuanta, pl update this as well ;) 05:07:19 Suresht +1 05:07:23 so shall we end this meeting 05:07:30 anything else? 05:07:37 over an hour 05:07:48 should we end this? 05:07:49 nothin from me 05:08:01 none from me for now .. will need to get ppl moving soonish :) .. everyone been waiting .. 05:08:07 I want thank everyone for attending our meeting and for Tuan - tuanta for chairing this meeting. ;) If there are any questions and/or concerns, then please do not hesitate to ask APAC, we will provide your answer. :) 05:08:17 eof 05:08:20 KageSenshi, do not forget to update the wiki asap 05:08:34 thanks dramsey 05:08:34 roger 05:08:35 +1 05:08:37 thx for the information 05:08:48 we try to help u guys out in APIIT 05:09:02 then, I will end this meeting now 05:09:07 harish and rbergeron, thank you for attending our meeting on such short notice. We thought it was important. eoft 05:09:15 thanks all 05:09:17 ku1918, "no .. there is no try .. do .. or do not" - yoda 05:09:27 haha.. 05:09:29 ok ok 05:09:31 we will help u guys 05:09:42 5 05:09:43 :) 05:09:45 4 05:09:47 close shop already? got lunch to cook 05:09:47 3 05:09:50 2 05:09:52 1 05:09:54 #endmeeting