15:30:04 <gnokii> #startmeeting
15:30:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar  1 15:30:04 2012 UTC.  The chair is gnokii. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:30:10 <FranciscoD> ah, right on time :D
15:30:14 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD
15:30:15 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
15:30:31 <gnokii> #topic fedora video team meeting
15:30:39 <MarkDude> .fas MarkDude
15:30:40 <zodbot> MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' <mark@gidgetkitchen.org>
15:31:18 <niteshnarayanlal> .fas niteshnarayanlal
15:31:18 <zodbot> niteshnarayanlal: niteshnarayan '' <niteshnarayanlal@indiatimes.com> - niteshnarayanlal 'nitesh narayan lal' <niteshnarayanlal@hotmail.com>
15:31:26 <vinzv> .fas vinzv
15:31:29 <zodbot> vinzv: vinz 'Vinzenz Vietzke' <vietzke@b1-systems.de>
15:32:40 <gnokii> ok looks are some will join later
15:33:24 <gnokii> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/fedora-meeting.2012-02-23-15.30.html so agenda again, log from the last meeting
15:34:22 <gnokii> let us start with the action items from it by person, think FranciscoD should start
15:34:31 <FranciscoD> sure
15:34:31 <gnokii> #chair FranciscoD
15:34:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD gnokii
15:35:06 <gnokii> FranciscoD: shoot
15:35:21 <FranciscoD> I was to come up with a graphical "how to make and submit your fedora videos"
15:35:27 <FranciscoD> This is what I came up with:
15:35:30 <FranciscoD> http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/fedora-videos/
15:35:42 <FranciscoD> It's only pencil and paper
15:35:51 * FranciscoD isnt too good at inkscape and stuff :)
15:36:27 * akshayvyas tried screencast didnt worked
15:36:50 <FranciscoD> please have a look, comments for the logs: #info ...
15:36:53 <FranciscoD> eof
15:37:04 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:37:24 <gnokii> #info FranciscoD worked on some handrawings http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/fedora-videos/
15:37:29 <MarkDude> !
15:37:43 <FranciscoD> (tatica already looked at them yesterday I think)
15:37:45 <Acidcore> I am here
15:37:46 * FranciscoD looks at niteshnarayanlal
15:37:47 <Acidcore> sorry I am late
15:37:59 <niteshnarayanlal> :)
15:38:00 <gnokii> FranciscoD: can u scan the pictures, is not so bad that it are hand drawings its more that it are photographs of them
15:38:16 <FranciscoD> gnokii: those are scans :$
15:38:23 <MarkDude> No prob Acidcore - just wanted to mention during meeting you have some FOSS editing skills :)
15:38:24 <gnokii> really?
15:38:26 <FranciscoD> maybe I'll use a black pen next time..
15:38:27 <FranciscoD> aye
15:38:38 <gnokii> oke them hopfully I can rework them
15:38:46 <gnokii> ok niteshnarayanlal ur turn
15:39:04 <niteshnarayanlal> one thing which I would like to discuss here is do we need just a video with pictorial representation or do we need both  pictorial illustration as well as a video
15:39:13 <FranciscoD> !
15:39:17 <Acidcore> sure :)
15:39:24 <niteshnarayanlal> FranciscoD,  dont worry probably before next meeting I will work on them
15:39:47 <niteshnarayanlal> and will try to make them look better
15:39:49 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
15:40:12 <gnokii> #action niteshnarayanlal and FranciscoD will keep working ont them for get an better result
15:40:18 <gnokii> MarkDude: ur turn
15:40:23 <akshayvyas> i tried doin screencasts but it didnt worked that good
15:40:30 <MarkDude> akshayvyas, compare notes with niteshnarayanlal later, he has done some decent results with screencast
15:40:43 * akshayvyas finding good software for screencast
15:40:45 <gnokii> akshayvyas: plz wait for ur turn!
15:40:50 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
15:40:51 <MarkDude> Acidcore, has some editing skills, lets see if we can get an action item for him
15:41:07 <MarkDude> Proly best to do it after meeting
15:41:09 <MarkDude> :)
15:41:10 <MarkDude> eof
15:41:39 <akshayvyas> @MarkDude ya i will
15:41:50 <akshayvyas> gonkii yep
15:41:57 <gnokii> ok next on agenda
15:42:19 <gnokii> mojavelinux isnt here so best take the action to the next meeting
15:42:21 <FranciscoD> I just want to add that the drawings are only "concept art"
15:42:41 <gnokii> ooh sorry yes FranciscoD
15:42:43 <FranciscoD> someone is going to use inkscape and stuff and make them up properly..
15:43:00 <FranciscoD> maybe file a ticket with the design team?
15:43:06 <FranciscoD> eof
15:43:42 <gnokii> FranciscoD: I can tell u is hard for me to do something with them in inkscape I only see parts of it
15:44:10 <FranciscoD> fine, ill redo them in ink
15:44:15 <FranciscoD> :)
15:44:16 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
15:44:40 <gnokii> FranciscoD: whats with the other task?
15:45:12 <FranciscoD> let me check the logs, I thought I only had this task :P
15:45:28 <FranciscoD> please proceed and come back to me
15:45:31 <gnokii> this one FranciscoD Talk to websites team about having a fedora videos search function on start.fp.o
15:46:02 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:46:02 <gnokii> FranciscoD: I would like proceed with that topic, because mojavelinux isnt here
15:46:30 <FranciscoD> gnokii: well, wouldnt it make more sense to have some videos up before we implement the search function?
15:46:50 <gnokii> FranciscoD: thats right
15:47:13 <FranciscoD> I'll get to it as soon we have our first videos up
15:47:28 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
15:47:45 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:47:45 <gnokii> ok then I should do an actions, that u will do it when the first videos are there
15:48:07 <MarkDude> +1
15:48:11 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
15:48:19 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD Talk to websites team about search function for fedora videos as soon as first videos are up
15:48:19 <niteshnarayanlal> continue plz
15:48:36 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: ur turn
15:49:05 <niteshnarayanlal> I think thunderbirdtr is already working on that
15:49:24 <niteshnarayanlal> but since it doesn't make much of sense to talk about it right now
15:49:34 <niteshnarayanlal> so will see it in up coming meetings
15:49:35 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
15:49:55 <gnokii> so it would make sense FranciscoD speaks with thunderbirdtr
15:50:41 <gnokii> FranciscoD: would u do this?
15:50:57 <FranciscoD> sorry, was on a call
15:51:02 <FranciscoD> What task are we on please?
15:51:41 <gnokii> gnokii> so it would make sense FranciscoD speaks with thunderbirdtr
15:51:46 <FranciscoD> about?
15:51:55 <niteshnarayanlal> search function
15:52:02 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: said thunderbirdtr work on ur action
15:52:08 <FranciscoD> sure
15:52:12 <FranciscoD> I'll co-ordinate with him
15:52:23 <gnokii> good take the action
15:52:30 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD co-ordinate with thunderbirdtr about search function
15:53:14 <gnokii> good problem right now is mojavelinux and graphite6 arent here right now
15:53:29 <FranciscoD> graphite6 emailed me saying she woudlnt make it
15:53:42 <FranciscoD> Said she will read the logs etc and email us tomorrow
15:53:49 <FranciscoD> #info graphite6 emailed me saying she woudlnt make it
15:54:05 <gnokii> ok, think we can give them the action for next meeting again
15:55:14 <gnokii> or is someone willing helping with the preparation of the list of topics for videos
15:55:16 <gnokii> ?
15:55:41 <niteshnarayanlal> list of topics  for videos ?
15:55:49 <akshayvyas> ?
15:55:51 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: yes
15:55:55 <FranciscoD> lets leave that be for them
15:55:56 <niteshnarayanlal> we don't have any videos right now
15:56:01 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
15:56:39 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: I know, we all know, the task was creating a list with video we should definitly have ;)
15:57:00 <niteshnarayanlal> :P
15:57:16 <gnokii> so noone online who likes to help?
15:57:27 <niteshnarayanlal> I will
15:57:36 <niteshnarayanlal> but for that we need the videos
15:57:54 <niteshnarayanlal> and we should put the draft prepared by graphite6 on our blogs
15:57:58 <akshayvyas> i dont see no videos there kinda empty page with contents
15:58:16 <niteshnarayanlal> asking fedora folks to give there videos to us
15:58:19 * FranciscoD thinks we should wait for graphite6 's reply
15:59:01 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: do u like to creat an egg - chicken problem?
15:59:06 * MarkDude is always willing to help
15:59:10 <niteshnarayanlal> :P
15:59:48 <gnokii> #action mojavelinux1 + graphite6 working on a list, niteshnarayanlal and MarkDude will help them
16:00:00 <MarkDude> :)
16:00:14 * niteshnarayanlal leaves the topic at that point
16:00:15 <akshayvyas> gonkii i like that egg thing
16:00:16 <niteshnarayanlal> :)
16:00:21 <akshayvyas> :)
16:00:33 <gnokii> so there was a task called "all pic a video from that list and do a video for testing the process of doing videos"
16:00:59 * FranciscoD hasnt done that, sorry: On my weekend agenda
16:01:02 <gnokii> as there is no list, there should be no video right?
16:01:15 <akshayvyas> +1
16:01:21 <akshayvyas> i think so
16:01:31 <FranciscoD> uhm, just pick a topic of interest and try making a screencast
16:02:09 <niteshnarayanlal> FranciscoD,  +1
16:02:12 <FranciscoD> idea being to know the process through and through, so you can help out folks
16:02:21 <FranciscoD> when they come up with issues and the rest
16:02:21 <gnokii> FranciscoD: thats right maybe we should change it to pick, a thing from ur interest and do a video
16:03:02 <FranciscoD> just "try making a screencast on anything that interests you" is sufficient IMO
16:03:05 * akshayvyas think his  pc hardware dont meet screencast
16:03:38 <gnokii> FranciscoD: can u put it to actions?
16:04:02 <FranciscoD> #action *everyone* Pick any topic of interest and try making a screencast to understand the process in detail
16:04:27 <akshayvyas> i think we are a bit late for f16 screencast as f17 is on the way
16:04:46 <FranciscoD> we can begin working on F17 once beta releases
16:05:00 * FranciscoD will update when beta is out
16:05:12 * akshayvyas downloading alpha now
16:05:16 <FranciscoD> still plenty of time though. Hopefully we'll have videos of the installation etc
16:05:22 <Acidcore> FranciscoD, sorry for unterrupting but understanding which process in detail?
16:05:23 <gnokii> so now there is no topic more on the agenda, now we can speak of hardware problems, and ideas ;)
16:05:34 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: the process of making a screencast
16:05:43 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha/Videos_How_to_submit
16:05:57 <FranciscoD> gnokii: open floor then? :)
16:05:58 <akshayvyas> so whats the conclusion FranciscoD
16:06:07 <gnokii> FranciscoD: yes kind of
16:06:15 <Acidcore> thank you, I have experience with screencasts btw
16:06:40 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: great, can you document each step, issues and work arounds if any?
16:06:41 <Acidcore> looking at my youtube channel I see that some time ago I had one or two GIMP screencast tutorials that I made
16:06:53 <Acidcore> yes, sure
16:06:56 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: link to your channel please?
16:07:04 <FranciscoD> akshayvyas: conclusion of?
16:07:24 <Acidcore> http://www.youtube.com/user/TOXICWASTELabs
16:07:33 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: nice name :P
16:07:33 <akshayvyas> this meeting and specialy abt screencast
16:07:37 <Acidcore> ty :)
16:07:49 <Acidcore> although the only videos i have there are either random sillines of me or a friend or the making of my though
16:07:51 <Acidcore> tattoo*
16:07:55 <akshayvyas> as you said have to select one topic of choice and start aking videos
16:08:21 <Acidcore> as for doing a video with the steps for a screen cast should I do like: obtaining the software, doing the recording, editing it and rendering it?
16:08:36 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: yeah, in as much detail
16:08:49 * akshayvyas free screencast soft are not that good i tried
16:08:54 <FranciscoD> so if any of our submitters run into issues, we should be in a position to assist them
16:09:05 <FranciscoD> akshayvyas: like? did you try istanbul?
16:09:12 <FranciscoD> or gtk-recordmydesktop etc?
16:09:14 <akshayvyas> yep
16:09:20 <akshayvyas> yep
16:09:22 <gnokii> https://vimeo.com/35248796 my last one, its that one Alexander uses for designing the wallpaper for beefy
16:09:26 <akshayvyas> it freeses
16:09:37 <FranciscoD> akshayvyas: do file a bug please
16:09:48 <Acidcore> I used Kdenlive + recordmydesktop when actually you do the screencast with Kdenlive and it uses recordmydesktop
16:09:50 <gnokii> akshayvyas: what freeze?
16:09:52 <FranciscoD> if we dont have software to make screencasts, its going to be really difficult to get them
16:10:09 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: yeah, I use recordmydesktop too
16:10:26 <gnokii> I use also recordmydesktop and nothing freezes
16:10:37 <Acidcore> FranciscoD, I am not good at video codecs encodings etc so I won't be able to like give advice what you should use in the rendering step
16:10:42 <FranciscoD> akshayvyas: what's your hardware configuration?
16:11:00 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: no issues, whatever you can note is good :)
16:11:00 <akshayvyas> intel core i3 with 3gb ddr3 ram
16:11:09 * niteshnarayanlal wanted to ask  what will be our next task for the meeting
16:11:17 <FranciscoD> hrm, please do file a bug then
16:11:22 <FranciscoD> hw seems sufficient
16:11:44 <FranciscoD> niteshnarayanlal: we're discussing stuff, and if we come up with any action items, we'll add them
16:12:02 <FranciscoD> anyone had any new bright ideas then? :)
16:12:16 <akshayvyas> gonki video freezes for a while and shows directly what i did ,i mean it doesnt go smooth
16:12:17 <Acidcore> also my english speaking isn't good so maybe after i record the screencast with my voice on it if someone can then looking from it record his voice saying the thing I say in the video and send me the recording so I can put it on the video instead of my voice?
16:12:38 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: we're asking for transcripts too
16:12:44 <FranciscoD> to make it easier to translate
16:12:44 * akshayvyas never record with voice
16:13:06 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: and we're asking for the voice and video sources separately. We'll combine them when we add branding etc.
16:13:20 <Acidcore> sure
16:13:34 <Acidcore> I can provide the whole video + the video without audio + the audio without video
16:13:40 <Acidcore> but what is Transcript
16:13:40 <FranciscoD> akshayvyas: I think thats because of the framerate
16:13:57 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: a text file with the "dialogues" that you intend to speak in sync with the video
16:13:58 <gnokii> Acidcore: transcript means in written what u saying
16:14:11 <gnokii> and of course when
16:14:20 <FranciscoD> so, we can record audio in different languages, and also use them to make subtitles
16:14:27 <FranciscoD> That brings up  something new!
16:14:31 * MarkDude can help Acidcore with transcript if he wants
16:14:35 <akshayvyas> FranciscoD mght be but i tried with video settings didnt worked ut
16:14:39 <FranciscoD> Does anyone know how to make subtitle files?
16:14:44 <Acidcore> yes, that would be awesome since i am not good in writting too
16:14:46 <FranciscoD> srt files or whatever?
16:15:00 <Acidcore> btw should I write the minute/second in which i am saying the sentence or?
16:15:13 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: aye, I think the srt files have a defined formate
16:15:15 <FranciscoD> *format
16:15:18 * FranciscoD goes to google
16:15:30 <Acidcore> i remember i downloaded some subtitle software let me check it
16:15:42 * niteshnarayanlal have some idea about that
16:15:54 * niteshnarayanlal will help Acidcore if he wants
16:16:05 <Acidcore> sure
16:16:50 <FranciscoD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtitle_(captioning)
16:17:11 <FranciscoD> #action *everyone* try writing random subtitles and document how to do it
16:17:26 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
16:17:38 <akshayvyas> +1
16:17:43 <MarkDude> +1
16:18:24 <gnokii> #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtitle_(captioning)
16:18:28 <FranciscoD> maybe download some  movies' subtitle files and have a look
16:18:55 <FranciscoD> #idea maybe download some  movies' subtitle files and have a look
16:19:05 * FranciscoD doesnt have anything else to discuss at present
16:19:07 <gnokii> guys just make sure the results end in the "how to do a fedora video page"
16:19:17 <FranciscoD> +1
16:19:42 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
16:19:47 <gnokii> well then if we discuss technical stuff, there is another thing
16:20:09 <gnokii> keyboard screening ;)
16:20:27 <FranciscoD> gnokii: can you elaborate that ?
16:20:35 * FranciscoD doesnt quite know what it is :P
16:21:13 <gnokii> there are some keyboard monitor software, that will show which mouse button u hit and witch keys
16:21:28 <FranciscoD> gnokii: any of them foss/in fedora repos?
16:21:41 <MarkDude> Good idea there gnokii +1
16:21:49 <gnokii> if u watch some videos from screencasters.heathenx.org
16:21:55 <gnokii> u will se one used
16:21:57 * FranciscoD can package them up if they arent there in the repos
16:22:18 <gnokii> but this one they use sucks
16:22:47 <gnokii> FranciscoD: not really
16:23:03 <FranciscoD> I'm googling for any foss ones
16:23:22 <akshayvyas> well if you google it you will get some keyloggers
16:23:46 <blq> wouldnt it be awesome if the gnome screen keyboard would highlight the keys pressed on the physical keyboard?
16:24:19 <FranciscoD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader
16:24:24 <FranciscoD> mentions some stuff for gnome
16:24:35 <FranciscoD> meh, that aint it
16:24:37 <FranciscoD> ignore it
16:24:40 * FranciscoD goes to look again
16:24:42 <gnokii> http://code.google.com/p/key-mon/
16:25:11 <Acidcore> What would be the practical use for such software (showing which button on the keyboard is pressed)?
16:25:13 <gnokii> but this one sucks if u do inkscape screencasts is always u have to take the window to another place
16:25:31 <gnokii> I have one I use, I search it right now
16:25:49 <FranciscoD> Acidcore: yeah, might come in handy for some screencasts where the user needs to write commands and stuff
16:26:03 <FranciscoD> like a puppet setup howto for instance, or a vim hands-on screencast
16:26:05 <MarkDude> Acidcore, for some terminal stuff, as well as shortcuts
16:26:17 <MarkDude> Good question tho :)
16:26:22 <Acidcore> ah yes that would be good
16:26:23 <Acidcore> and ty
16:26:24 <akshayvyas> well we have terminal recorder
16:26:29 <akshayvyas> typescript
16:26:45 <akshayvyas> i dont think it will wrk for rec keystrokes
16:27:01 <Acidcore> although as for keyboard shortcuts in many videos i've seen who does the screencast just mentiones the shortcuts he uses when he does
16:27:08 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD package key-mon for fedora repos
16:27:45 <MarkDude> Acidcore, we are aiming to be able to translate into other languages
16:27:46 <FranciscoD> if you come across anything else that needs packaging, please ping me
16:27:56 <MarkDude> The easier to change the better
16:28:04 <gnokii> FranciscoD: key-mon isnt fine!
16:28:05 <FranciscoD> all the software we use should be in the fedora repos before we begin making calls for videos
16:28:11 <FranciscoD> gnokii: at least its a start
16:28:25 <FranciscoD> as and when we find something better, we'll add it to the tool kit
16:28:28 <gnokii> its showed as window
16:28:44 <FranciscoD> maybe we can get some folks to contribute upstream to add features we need?
16:28:44 <MarkDude> FranciscoD, well gathering more pics for Foudations FRIENDS video NEEDS more pics
16:28:50 <MarkDude> We cant edit it yet :)
16:29:05 <FranciscoD> MarkDude: have you made a call for pictures yet?
16:29:06 <niteshnarayanlal> FranciscoD,  plz add a link of that on the wiki video page once u r done
16:29:14 <gnokii> I use screenkey
16:29:16 <MarkDude> Yes once or twice
16:29:22 <FranciscoD> The community is overflowing with awesome pictures you can make use of
16:29:25 <Southern_GMan> MarkDude,  we need to get hold of russell and get the pics of Fudcon blacksburg uploaded somewhere
16:29:30 * MarkDude caan hit onther parts of Fedora ML
16:29:31 <FranciscoD> MarkDude: did you get anything?
16:29:39 <gnokii> https://launchpad.net/screenkey
16:29:49 <FranciscoD> gnokii: I'll package that up too if its worth it
16:29:56 * MarkDude has some pics also- as well as tatica
16:30:02 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD package up  https://launchpad.net/screenkey
16:30:16 <gnokii> that one pops u a black strip in with big with letters which keys u have hit
16:30:41 * MarkDude is just suggesting that videos that take extra or pics can get some organizing done
16:30:48 <gnokii> so u have no window which is maybe in ur way if u do something
16:31:42 <gnokii> ok, is there enything else? otherwise I would end the meeting
16:31:59 <niteshnarayanlal> +1 end the meeting
16:32:01 <MarkDude> LEts brainstorm on some ideas after meeting, if we can
16:32:07 <MarkDude> +1 end meeting
16:32:27 <gnokii> FranciscoD: u like to put the minutes again to the list?
16:32:30 <Acidcore> well as for using software from the repo well for screen capture, video editing I will be using Kdenlive + recordmydesktop, will do subtitles in KWrite if have to do anything to audio separately I will use Audacity and if something to images then GIMP
16:33:05 <MarkDude> Nice open scource plan there...
16:33:25 <gnokii> ok, then I will do it, closing the meeting now
16:33:36 <Acidcore> ty, I anyway use this software if i do any of these tasks
16:34:03 <akshayvyas> well i did all almost all how to's of extra sofwares needed on fc16 with screenshots on my blog
16:34:05 <FranciscoD_> http://code.google.com/p/logkeys/
16:34:18 <gnokii> huch FranciscoD_ u like to put the minutes again to the list?
16:34:24 <gnokii> huch FranciscoD u like to put the minutes again to the list?
16:34:32 <FranciscoD> gnokii: sure, I'll do that
16:34:41 <gnokii> ok then I will end it now
16:34:45 <gnokii> #endmeeting