16:00:06 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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16:00:13 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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16:00:17 <adamw> #topic roll call
16:00:41 <adamw> #chair kparal
16:00:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal
16:00:56 <adamw> morning folks, it's meeting time
16:00:59 <adamw> who's around?
16:01:14 * brunowolff is here
16:01:20 * pschindl is here
16:01:27 * jskladan is lurking today
16:01:37 * tflink is present
16:02:00 <adamw> #chair tflink
16:02:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink
16:02:01 * kparal pops up
16:02:01 * Cerlyn is here
16:02:09 * adamw whacks kparal
16:02:13 * nirik is lurking
16:02:16 <adamw> sorry....years of highly-trained mole reflexes
16:02:19 <kparal> .smash adamw
16:02:26 <kparal> damn, it never works for me
16:02:40 <kparal> bot, where are you?
16:03:06 <kparal> zodbot: .fire zodbot
16:03:12 <adamw> aha! I am unsmashable
16:03:19 * adamw fires zodbot
16:03:22 <kparal> I think I'm in a blacklist
16:04:20 <adamw> okay, let's get this crazy show on the road, kids
16:04:20 <jskladan> kparal: you have been fired too many times, I guess :))
16:04:33 <adamw> #topic Fedora 17 Beta prep
16:04:41 <adamw> so, uh, if i was any better at this job i'd probably have done some!
16:04:53 * j_dulaney is here
16:04:53 <adamw> oh, wait a sec
16:04:56 <adamw> #undo
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16:05:02 <adamw> #topic previous meeting follow-up
16:05:06 <adamw> knew I was missing something.
16:05:43 <adamw> #info "adamw to start common bugs page" - did that one, i think it has most of the big hits
16:06:11 <adamw> #info "adamw to poke bcl about livecd-tools updates for fixing bugs writing f17" - we have the updates now but they need karma, hope people have been testing them
16:06:46 <adamw> #info "adamw to dig out the 'deliverables' ticket / action item and get it moving again" - didn't get to that one yet
16:07:01 <adamw> #info "brunowolff to ping release engineering about post-freeze update re-opening for f17" - I guess you got that done, bruno
16:08:15 <adamw> BRUNO! don't quit on us, bruno!
16:08:54 <adamw> welp, f17 updates got moving again, anyway, so it seems like it happened.
16:09:15 <brunowolff> I am here
16:09:23 <adamw> it's aliiiive
16:09:37 <adamw> oh, nirik - what happened with the ec2 image? do we have one now?
16:09:42 <brunowolff> I am multi-tasking though not well.
16:09:52 <nirik> adamw: dunno. dgilmore was working on that.
16:10:39 <tflink> adamw: I think that we got one but I'm not sure that it worked
16:10:39 <adamw> brunowolff: preach it.
16:10:52 <adamw> what the hell is with people expecting stuff to work around here?
16:11:05 * tflink vaguely remembers something about failures for the EC2 image but could be wrong
16:11:31 <adamw> wah, wah, my image doesn't boot, wah, wah, the usb stick ran away with my wife, it's just whine whine whine with you people
16:12:09 <tflink> adamw: if your wife ran away with the USB stic ... I think you have other issues to deal with :)
16:12:25 * j_dulaney thinks someone's about to be fired
16:12:26 <adamw> heh
16:12:42 <kparal> right, why don't people thank us for that?
16:12:44 <kparal> weird
16:12:56 <j_dulaney> Bloody VMs
16:13:12 <adamw> ookay then
16:13:15 * j_dulaney continues the saga of creating VMs whilst drunk that don't work
16:13:18 <adamw> #topic fedora 17 beta prep
16:13:26 <adamw> j_dulaney: the problem is clearly that you're not drunk enough
16:13:39 * j_dulaney isn't drunk at all right now
16:13:41 <dgilmore> adamw: no ec2 yet
16:13:51 <adamw> ah, okay
16:13:55 <dgilmore> adamw: i need to sit down and write some appliance-tools code
16:14:02 <adamw> so, it looks like we're still missing the raid and upgrade tests from alpha
16:14:07 <adamw> those are the two likely hairy areas at beta
16:14:14 <adamw> i meant to get the raid tests done but never quite made it
16:14:35 * tflink did iSCSI BFT and forgot to update the matrix
16:14:51 <tflink> still haven't done the regular iSCSI test case yet
16:14:52 <adamw> cool, thanks
16:15:17 <adamw> so we can try and get some of those done today, but in theory we should have a beta TC1 tomorrow
16:15:28 <adamw> dgilmore: any idea if we're on track for that? any big compose-blocking issues you know of?
16:16:09 <tflink> I'll probably try to wait for the TC1 image before trying the iSCSI tests again - my test machine can't boot alpha and I've been using a custom image
16:16:15 <dgilmore> adamw: im not aware of anything
16:16:39 <adamw> rats_install today fails at 'bootloader' so that's good, that's just the regular serial failure...it made it all the way through the ret
16:16:40 <adamw> rest
16:16:52 <brunowolff> We got a -1 for the pulseaudio update this morning, so that issue may not be resolved.
16:17:04 <adamw> brunowolff: erf. really? it's working here.
16:17:26 <brunowolff> Well his case was boot to run level 3, so it might not be the same problem.
16:17:44 <brunowolff> And it only was a report of the problem not being fixed, rather than worse.
16:17:53 <adamw> yeah, seems like a bad -1.
16:17:54 <tflink> sound works in runlevel 3?
16:18:12 <adamw> tflink: read https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=751902
16:18:15 <brunowolff> So I plan to keeo the update as pending for stable. But we might need another update.
16:18:41 <adamw> brunowolff: from the bug it reads like there's no regression, that bug was reported for f16
16:18:48 <adamw> so i'd say just push the update, it's not making anything worse
16:19:00 <adamw> and it's clearly making most things better
16:19:21 <j_dulaney> +1
16:20:51 <adamw> okay, so, anyway, looks like we're basically on track for tc1 tomorrow
16:21:10 <adamw> and we'll just have to hope upgrades aren't borked too bad.
16:21:24 <adamw> if anyone wants to do some upgrade testing today, of course, go right ahead...
16:22:26 <adamw> #info everything seems on track for beta tc1 tomorrow, rats is recording its usual serial console failure near the end
16:22:33 <adamw> #topic upcoming QA events
16:22:43 <adamw> so we have tc1 tomorrow as mentioned, and of course a blocker review friday
16:23:17 <adamw> but the big news i guess is the test day cycle kicking in finally - thursday is openstack test day
16:23:18 * tflink is planning to send out an email to test@ asking for a volunteer to run friday's meeting
16:23:22 <adamw> that's 2012-03-08
16:23:42 <adamw> oh, and wednesday is i18n/l10n test day, i see
16:23:52 <adamw> tflink: cool, if no one steps up, i'll do it
16:24:02 <adamw> #info still looking for a volunteer to run friday's blocker review
16:24:14 <adamw> j_dulaney: everything looking good for the two test days? are their pages prepped and so on?
16:24:25 <j_dulaney> adamw:  Indeed
16:24:39 <j_dulaney> adamw:  I'll be dropping a blog post today about it
16:24:58 <brunowolff> I can't commit to that since work may intervene duiring the meeting. I expect to be at the meeting though.
16:26:59 <adamw> j_dulaney: great, also test-announce posts &c
16:27:25 <j_dulaney> adamw:  Indeed
16:27:33 <adamw> how do we announce things in the cloud? planes with those jetstream trailer thingies? :)
16:29:01 <adamw> anyway, yeah, those look nicely on track, of course the rest of us can blog about them and so on
16:29:07 <adamw> anything else on upcoming events before we move on?
16:29:19 <aalam> adamw: j_dulaney: for l10n test day, it is 2012-03-07, but for i18n test day , i need 2012-03-14
16:29:25 <aalam> Is it possible to do
16:29:29 <aalam> before beta
16:29:46 <j_dulaney> aalam:  I see no problem with that
16:29:59 <j_dulaney> aalam:  I'll ping you post meeting
16:30:05 <aalam> j_dulaney: thanks
16:30:21 <aalam> ok.
16:30:56 <adamw> sure
16:31:14 <adamw> alrighty, it's time for everyone's favorite all-action show...
16:31:17 <adamw> #topic autoqa update
16:31:27 <adamw> bring out the big hits, kparal and tflink
16:31:30 * jskladan *fireworks*
16:31:39 <kparal> this weeks' star is jskladan
16:31:43 <kparal> jskladan: bring it on!
16:31:52 * j_dulaney shoots fireworks at jskladan
16:32:12 <jskladan> ok, big fat news: ResultsDB-integration is finally in master
16:32:35 <jskladan> and we (aka kparal) hope to have it on production by the end of the week
16:32:47 <jskladan> also, the ticket #408
16:32:57 <kparal> so we will have a results frontend finally
16:32:57 <jskladan> Depcheck - argument list too long
16:33:07 <adamw> yaaay, rejoicing
16:33:19 <jskladan> is solved & in master
16:33:27 <adamw> #info resultsdb is merged into master and should be in production by the end of the week
16:33:27 <jskladan> sooo, not only results frontend
16:33:34 <jskladan> but also less CRASHED results :)
16:33:46 <adamw> #info depcheck 'argument list too long' bug has been solved and is in master
16:33:50 <adamw> kickass
16:33:54 <kparal> everything should be prepared for a new autoqa release
16:34:11 <kparal> we will wait one and two more days, I'll upgrade some test clients in the meantime
16:34:24 <kparal> and then we will go production
16:35:08 <kparal> anything else, someone?
16:35:24 <adamw> #info new autoqa release planned in a couple of days
16:35:29 <tflink> some tests were removed from autoqa for now
16:35:31 <adamw> awesome work folks, thanks for that
16:35:34 <kparal> ah right
16:36:11 <kparal> we removed some tests we either couldn't maintain (and they were broken) or that we decided are not worth execution ATM
16:36:12 <tflink> I'm going to be writing a compose_tree replacement as time allows
16:36:24 <kparal> that is anaconda_* and compose_tree tests
16:36:37 <kparal> now every test has a maintainer defined
16:36:48 <kparal> and I'm going to insist on that policy :-)
16:37:25 <kparal> EOF
16:37:45 <adamw> #info some tests that were unmaintained or considered not worth running have been dropped, and all  tests now have a defined maintainer
16:37:49 <adamw> coolbeans, thanks folks
16:37:54 <adamw> #topic open floor
16:37:58 <adamw> so, anything else anyone's worried about?
16:39:41 <adamw> or shall we all go eat cake?
16:40:10 <j_dulaney> Cake?
16:40:16 <j_dulaney> What cake?
16:41:12 <adamw> there is always cake, my student
16:41:22 <adamw> you must learn only to discern it
16:41:42 * j_dulaney looks around, notes absence of cake.
16:41:44 <tflink> adamw: the cake is a lie
16:41:45 <j_dulaney> LIES!
16:42:19 <tflink> although, this explains a few things ... adamw's insistance on testing etc.
16:42:46 <adamw> i certainly do a lot of cake testing.
16:42:47 <j_dulaney> And why he's always firing people
16:43:04 <tflink> j_dulaney: better than tests that commonly result in death
16:43:07 * j_dulaney thinks he fires folks that are too close to finding the truth
16:43:32 <j_dulaney> tflink:  Hey, y'all, watch me do *this* test!
16:43:51 * j_dulaney ramps over four burning airliners
16:44:20 <adamw> that seems like a terrible waste of lift capacity.
16:45:11 <adamw> alrighty then folks
16:45:14 <adamw> thanks for coming
16:45:21 <adamw> everyone get ready for some happy fun beta testing
16:45:28 * adamw sets fuse for one minute
16:45:35 * j_dulaney hides from beta testing
16:46:17 <adamw> #endmeeting