13:00:35 <bcotton> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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13:00:45 <bcotton> #meetingname Fedora Docs
13:00:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
13:00:50 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call
13:01:42 * jjmcd 
13:02:00 <randomuser> good morning
13:04:19 <bcotton> looks like it might be a small crowd today
13:04:50 <bcotton> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
13:05:04 <bcotton> #action bcotton to check on guide owners for F17
13:05:13 * pkovar is here
13:05:39 <bcotton> I believe suehle is still at SXSW, so we'll just keep her item from last week
13:05:52 <bcotton> #action suehle to nicely poke lingering * beat owners
13:06:10 <bcotton> which brings us to...
13:06:11 <bcotton> #topic Release Notes
13:06:28 <bcotton> jjmcd: i see you got the TN shipped
13:06:33 <jjmcd> Yes
13:06:40 <jjmcd> that seems like ages ago!
13:06:54 <bcotton> so are we now ready to start setting up an unclaimed-beat-writing party?
13:06:56 <jjmcd> If your beat is done, don't forget to mark a 1 in the table
13:07:11 <jjmcd> bcotton, I think we should get cracking if we are going to do that
13:07:16 <bcotton> #info If your beat is done, don't forget to mark a 1 in the table
13:07:33 <jjmcd> Also, two things
13:07:48 <jjmcd> If ianweller is lurking, I need to get with him on mw-render
13:08:02 <jjmcd> Earlier version worked great, latest missing needed writer
13:08:41 <jjmcd> Second thing ... we need to train someone else on tech notes.  Perhaps someone wants to stand up for beta tech notes, which really aren't critical
13:08:45 * sgordon is guilty of not updating the table
13:08:58 <jjmcd> It takes about 2-3 hours, is mostly automated
13:09:26 <jjmcd> but someone else should know how to do it
13:09:36 <randomuser> i could do that, given a little mentoring
13:09:54 <jjmcd> randomuser, of course, first time through I will need to guide
13:10:04 <randomuser> thanks, jjmcd
13:10:19 <bcotton> well that was easy enough :-)
13:10:25 <jjmcd> :-)
13:10:51 <jjmcd> So, when is a good time for a beat writing party?
13:11:11 <bcotton> jjmcd: i was going to ask you. i think it'd be good if you were around, since you're effectively the expert
13:11:11 * jjmcd still has to do most of dev tools, got most of his others done
13:11:40 <jjmcd> YEah, and I'm mostly good, except I think I need to go to White Lake on Saturday
13:12:17 <jjmcd> But probably should be sooner rather than later
13:12:21 <jjmcd> RPM is duw 3/21
13:12:24 <jjmcd> due
13:12:33 <jjmcd> Morning is a bad time for typing
13:12:39 <bcotton> well the wiki freeze for the beta RNs is today, so i guess sometimes between now and then would be best
13:13:13 <jjmcd> I wonder if a weekday is do-able
13:13:45 <bcotton> we could probably get some hands available during a weekday, especially if it's toward the evening
13:13:52 <jjmcd> Since I'm around during the day, I can be here for the EU evening
13:14:00 <jjmcd> Want to try Wednesday?
13:14:09 <claneys> hi there
13:14:20 <jjmcd> I have a feeling on Tuesday we would loose a lot of folks to NCIS
13:15:04 <bcotton> Wednesday works. 3pm EDT?
13:15:07 <jjmcd> bonjour, claneys
13:15:13 <jjmcd> Spunds good to me
13:15:28 <bcotton> okay, i'll send out a note
13:15:29 <jjmcd> sheesh the typing
13:15:53 <bcotton> #action bcotton to send a note to Docs ML for beat-writing party
13:16:10 <bcotton> #agreed Beat Writing Party at 3pm EDT on Wednesday 14 March
13:16:15 <bcotton> anything else on RN?
13:16:19 <jjmcd> yeah
13:16:42 * jjmcd has an F13 box he can do the render on if ianweller doesn't have his previous one
13:17:02 <jjmcd> but after wed if anyone wants to know how the conversion works, I would be happy to show them
13:17:20 <jjmcd> But without help from ianweller  it needs to be on F14 or earlier
13:17:48 <bcotton> well if we need to hunt down ianweller, i'll sharpen my knives
13:17:54 <jjmcd> Yeah
13:17:54 <claneys> conversion between wiki page and doc book ?
13:18:02 <jjmcd> He did an earlier one that worked
13:18:07 <jjmcd> But his latest didn't
13:18:17 * claneys wasn't here at the beginning of conversation ^^"
13:18:20 <jjmcd> And I have to admit I was slow testing the latest
13:18:38 <jjmcd> claneys, yes, we have a mostly automated conversion for the firts go
13:18:43 <claneys> I'm interested in that case.
13:18:55 <jjmcd> Later when it is just tweaks, it is easier to just do it by hand
13:18:59 * claneys jump in the running train
13:19:19 <jjmcd> But with mw-render and a little help from sed, the first pass is mostly automate
13:19:20 <jjmcd> d
13:20:09 <jjmcd> claneys, it is kind of cool
13:20:30 * jjmcd wishes he were a lot better at sed
13:20:48 <claneys> When it's possible to see that ?
13:20:49 <jjmcd> claneys, after wednesday lets get together
13:21:22 <jjmcd> claneys, seems like you are mostly here in the U.S. morning?
13:22:06 <claneys> I'm not in U.S
13:22:14 <jjmcd> For some reason I have you in France in my head
13:22:29 <claneys> I'm french, you right
13:22:42 <jjmcd> So the U.S. morning is the middle of the day
13:22:55 <jjmcd> I just notice you showing up in the morning a lot
13:24:18 <claneys> So, I will connect myself on fedora-docs irc wednesday as soon as possible
13:24:29 <jjmcd> Cool
13:24:30 <bcotton> anything else for Release Notes?
13:24:32 <claneys> Just hl me
13:24:56 <jjmcd> bcotton, not from here
13:25:36 * LoKoMurdoK here late sorry
13:25:41 <bcotton> #topic Guide Status
13:25:53 <bcotton> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html
13:26:42 <bcotton> shaiton: how are we doing in getting guides checked in transifex?
13:26:58 <shaiton> bcotton, hum
13:27:22 <shaiton> only few guides owner have given there feedback
13:27:36 <shaiton> I'll see which guides are updated this release at least
13:28:05 <pkovar> oh, i wanted to check on shaiton's status table , will look into it later
13:28:19 <shaiton> thanks
13:28:23 <bcotton> okay, great
13:28:51 <bcotton> so we're getting to the point that we need to start getting guides updated
13:29:24 <bcotton> i'll poke owners today so we know which ones will be getting active love
13:29:50 <bcotton> i think the focus should be on the Release Notes, Install Guide, and User Guide. Thoughts?
13:30:35 <shaiton> and the quick start guide?
13:30:43 <shaiton> (or quick install… I never remember)
13:30:45 <pkovar> also see the l10n priority column at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table
13:31:34 <bcotton> shaiton: yeah, that one too
13:31:35 <shaiton> pkovar, isn't http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Guides the up to date one?
13:31:59 <pkovar> i believe it just links the same wiki table
13:32:16 <pkovar> which is Docs_Project_guides_table
13:32:31 <shaiton> great, I thought at one time they were different
13:33:31 <claneys> I'll try to update User Guide
13:34:07 <pkovar> claneys: great, you might want to talk to fnadge then
13:34:49 <pkovar> afaik lots of work need to be done on that guide
13:34:50 <claneys> pkovar: ok
13:35:22 <fnadge> Claneys: Excellent, let's talk details later
13:36:24 <bcotton> anything else on guides this week?
13:36:34 <claneys> no problems. I contact who later on #fedora-docs
13:36:44 <claneys> s/who/you/
13:37:46 <bcotton> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
13:37:54 <bcotton> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
13:39:13 <bcotton> #topic Open Floor Discussion
13:40:17 <bcotton> any cans of worms to open this morning?
13:40:24 <pkovar> yes :-)
13:40:25 <pkovar> i think there is now a confusion in our  meeting time
13:40:44 <pkovar> i mean after the time shift in the US
13:40:49 <claneys> yep, I agreed
13:41:03 <bcotton> pkovar: my reminder email wasn't updated, but we decided a while back to keep it in sync with the US Eastern time zone, not UTC
13:41:10 <jjmcd> Ahh yes, every country seems to have a different opinion of when to change time
13:41:38 <bcotton> i should have been more proactive and sent a reminder about the US time change
13:42:06 <pkovar> bcotton: ok, please also update the page here then: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Meeting_Details
13:42:17 <pkovar> because it reads UTC
13:42:30 <bcotton> already updated
13:42:47 <bcotton> but it does say "Meetings always remain at the same local time in the US according to DST (currently Monday morning at 09:00am US-Eastern). In other words, the UTC time will change when US DST changes." in a big blue box :-)
13:43:25 <jjmcd> But if you are in Armenia, you probably aren't all that alert to when the US changes
13:43:37 <bcotton> this is very true
13:43:49 <pkovar> if we base out meeting time on UTC, this gets easier to remember i think ;-)
13:44:00 <pkovar> *our
13:44:02 <jjmcd> At least we no longer have different counties in Indiana changing at different dates
13:44:24 <bcotton> jjmcd: hey now. most just never changed. but they always never changed at the same time
13:44:55 <jjmcd> All I know is you could never know what time it was in Indiana
13:44:56 <pkovar> i mean in an international project, that might be more appropriate. not everybody knows about Us-Eastern
13:45:11 <jjmcd> pkovar, roger that.
13:45:12 <bcotton> pkovar: i think the reason we stopped basing the meeting time off UTC was that the americans always forgot to adjust their meeting times :-)
13:45:41 <pkovar> bcotton: okey, now the same applies to Europeans ;-)
13:45:50 <jjmcd> When we had that discussion, almost all the contributors to Docs were in the U.S. with a few from AU.  We have picked up a lot of Europeans lately
13:46:03 <bcotton> pkovar: why don't you bring this up for discussion on the mailing list. i'm not opposed to changing how we do it, but i do want to make any changes openly
13:46:08 <claneys> sorry for that :p
13:46:24 <bcotton> claneys: i do blame you for this whole mess ;-)
13:46:39 <claneys> ahah!
13:46:53 <pkovar> bcotton:  will do that, just wanted to check i wasn't missing anything in the discussion
13:47:06 <claneys> bcotton: you're welcome
13:47:11 <bcotton> pkovar: awesome
13:47:33 <bcotton> #action pkovar to address meeting times on docs ml
13:47:41 <bcotton> anything else for this week's meeting?
13:48:42 <pkovar> no more cans i think
13:49:02 <bcotton> okay, well thanks everyone for figuring out when we were meeting :-)
13:49:08 <bcotton> #endmeeting