19:00:21 #startmeeting Cloud SIG 19:00:21 Meeting started Fri Apr 13 19:00:21 2012 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:35 not it 19:00:44 man oh man, jforbes, you are an expert at ending on time 19:00:55 #meetingname Cloud SIG 19:00:55 The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig' 19:01:05 #topic Who's around, who's a square 19:01:28 * rbergeron beeps at ke4qqq since he is inexplicably not in #fedora-cloud atm 19:01:29 * tdawson definatly fits in the round category. 19:01:32 * mull here 19:01:33 tdawson :) 19:01:36 * russellb in 19:01:37 #join #fedora-cloud 19:01:39 NO 19:01:44 hullo 19:01:49 howdy 19:02:09 * rbergeron gathers the masses 19:02:22 wow, those are two words you never want to do a typo with. 19:02:53 so, today in our meeting, we're all going to sit around praising the work of Zonker. 19:02:57 * rbergeron grins 19:03:02 okay, let's get started: 19:03:04 #topic Agenda 19:03:20 rbergeron: how would that differ from any other meeting? 19:03:34 Soo let's see who's here today. I see openstack, opennebula, openshift, euca. 19:03:48 jbrockmeier: excellent point. i do make a point of taking a moment of silence for zonkerpraise in every meeting. 19:04:12 rbergeron: lady ada and pixel approve 19:04:23 So I think that may be the order of bizness, so to speak. :) 19:04:27 orc_fedo: good to know. 19:04:35 #topic OpenStack 19:04:53 russellb, crobinso: anything new? ;) 19:05:14 * spstarr_work waits til last 19:05:21 spstarr_work: noted 19:05:28 um, UM, Essex was released April 5th! Fedora 17 is all up to date. We're still working through EPEL 6 issues. 19:05:46 design summit for Folsom next week, that should be fun and interesting 19:05:51 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2012-April/001365.html 19:05:51 rbergeron: pushed essex openstack horizon on monday, still trying to work through some remaining bzs! 19:06:02 #info pixelbeat posted a nice status mail, seen just above. 19:06:18 #info Essex was released on Apr. 5th, F17 is up to date, still working through epel 6 issues. 19:06:36 #info design summit for Folsom next week, russellb to buy robyn a hot dog 19:06:54 #info essex openstack horizon pushed on monday, still working through some remaining bzs. 19:07:09 oh snap 19:07:09 so, i have a question for you both: 19:07:16 * rbergeron looks at russellb 19:07:25 * russellb gets nervous 19:07:28 oh, the hot dog thing? 19:07:45 no, staring at me 19:07:46 so in the feature pages - there's a few spots of "documentation will be here later" and that kind of thing 19:08:01 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenStack_Essex 19:08:05 "TBD before f17 release" 19:08:17 are those in the process of... Being D'd, so to speak? 19:08:20 hey rackerjoe 19:08:24 Hola 19:08:35 hi rbergeron 19:08:39 hi dennis :) 19:08:59 i guess the docs are: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_on_Fedora_17 19:09:45 feature page updated with that link 19:09:50 also need release notes i guess 19:10:07 http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Essex 19:10:08 heh 19:10:10 okay, or i guess maybe linking ot the upstream docs (not sure what state of completion those are) but I think the getting started stuff is more immediately useful for people who... just want to do it and not read vast amounts of documentation 19:10:39 yeah, so, release notes on the feature pages is more like "here's a blurb for us to stick in our release notes" though the upstream stuff is always useful. 19:10:48 yeah, docs.openstack.org, will link that too 19:11:04 the Fedora Docs folks tend to look at that stuff to figure out what to add and so forth 19:11:09 russellb: you da man 19:11:10 i can always count on the fedora wiki to spot check my elementary math skills. 19:11:20 LOL 19:11:45 that drives me nuts sometimes. 19:11:54 I go back and i'm like, why didn't this.... oh, right, 9+2 19:12:00 anyway. 19:12:01 yes! 19:12:10 So there is a handful of folks attending next week. 19:12:35 I sent out that mail earlier today on suehle's amazing awesome work on the postcard/flier so if anyone has anything to add or wants to revise that would be excellente. 19:13:00 i got a few notes back from rkukura. 19:13:06 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2012-April/001366.html 19:13:34 #info suehle did some nice work on a flyer/postcard for next week, we need to order it monday to get it there by wednesday to hotel to hand out at conf on thursday/friday 19:13:40 so food for thought. 19:13:55 in case you're thinking this weekend about sitting in front of your computer some more. :) 19:13:58 anything else openstacky? 19:14:12 anything awsome to talk about? 19:14:12 err 19:14:14 awesome 19:14:19 * rbergeron snickers 19:14:20 and suehle will be at the beach all weekend, so sooner is better than later :) 19:14:23 * spstarr_work looks around 19:14:23 okay, I'll move on 19:14:28 oooooh. nice 19:14:53 i expect to see grand sand sculptures from you :) 19:15:06 #topic opennebula 19:15:13 spstarr_work: HOWDY, glad you could make it today 19:15:16 :) 19:15:30 So an update: upstream has given me patches to fix rpmlint issues identified 19:15:52 I will be testing them tonight and submitting the package for formal reviews - See DL for announcement for request for package review tonight also 19:16:08 #info upstream has given spstarr patches to fix rpmlint issues that were identified, spstarr will be testing them and then submitting pkg for formal reviews 19:16:12 if that is done quick i will then modify comps.xml to add into cloud group opennebula package 19:16:14 profit!!! 19:16:15 :) 19:16:23 #info see devel list announcement for package review later tonight 19:16:25 I also will be doing testing of the package in my cloud lab at home 19:16:40 #info will later modify comps.xml to add opennebula package to cloud group package 19:16:59 this will then conclude Fedora 17 activities for OpenNebula 19:17:00 #info 19:17:12 spstarr_work: rinse, wash, repeat? 19:17:19 yes 19:17:22 you've done a lot of stuff on this, nice work :) 19:17:29 we've disabled functionality for 17 due to Ruby 1.9 19:17:56 upstream is hoping to switch to a different data model framework which will allow us to turn on oZones functionality (proxy support for OpenNebula frontends in a zone) 19:18:21 for 17? or 16 19:18:25 18+ 19:18:28 oh 19:18:54 its a big code change so it will not be wise to backport to 17 19:19:39 * rbergeron nods, gotcha 19:19:45 that is all :) 19:20:07 excellente. thank you, sir 19:20:26 #topic openshift 19:20:47 thank god for eucalyptus, I can always keep them straight from the other projects with the words open and cloud in them. 19:20:50 :) 19:20:55 tdawson: you around? :) 19:21:02 Yep, still here. 19:22:02 hey. so are you going to be at the opencloudconf thingy next month? 19:22:16 No, but it looks like everyone else is going to be. 19:22:22 * rbergeron frowns 19:22:23 http://www.opencloudconf.com/workshops.php#cloud 19:22:52 and then my other question is: I'm guessing you will be wanting to get on the packaging train pretty soon. 19:23:09 Yes, I am looking for a sponsor. 19:23:28 so i was thinking that mayyyybe if ou wanted to get a head start before you start packaging openshift that perhaps someone might have some other things around to get you started. 19:23:38 Oh, do you ahve packages already started and need sponsoring love now? 19:24:02 and I'm sorry if i just seemed totally distracted but i just found out there is a wienermobile like 8 miles from my house at this very second 19:24:07 We have Brett Lentz and Wesley Hearn packaging up rubygems for those things we already can get into Fedora. 19:24:14 ah. 19:24:31 I was hoping to start with rubygem-mongo 19:24:32 but you need a sponsor to go with packages that you haven't started yet 19:24:44 hrmmmmm. 19:25:01 #info tdawson looking for a packaging sponsor so he can do some openshift work, which i know you all want to see! 19:25:20 i can ask sdake, though I wonder if spot might be willing. 19:25:26 or perhaps mull? 19:25:39 rbergeron, I'm not a sponsor yet 19:25:52 sorry 19:25:53 okay, that answers that question :) 19:26:16 #action rbergeron to ask sdake if he can sponsor tdawson 19:26:45 That would be great if I could get sponsored. 19:26:54 beyond that, if he's tight on bandwidth, i am pretty sure we can find someone. :) 19:27:19 * rbergeron thinks mmcgrath could probably sponsor you too ;) 19:27:39 okay. well, i just want to make sure you're on the train to sponsorship well ahead of when you want things done :) 19:28:01 Thank you. 19:28:19 tdawson: and then when you guys are like, officially opening the proverbial doors I'll start harassing you about wiki pages and stuff. 19:28:37 or you'll start sending someone else when you can't take my harassment anymore. :) 19:28:40 * rbergeron grins 19:28:47 it's all in good smileys though. 19:28:50 I look forward to the harrasment. 19:29:01 Excellent! 19:29:07 okay. I'm going to move onwards then :) 19:29:11 thanks for coming, it's good to have you here. 19:29:26 Anytime ... on a friday ... afternoon. 19:29:37 LOL 19:29:45 #topic Eucalyptus 19:30:07 I'm looking for a mull, a gholms, an obino, or the elusive gregdek. 19:30:21 ok, I'm back 19:30:25 hey. 19:30:27 so. 19:30:37 (tdawson: this is a preview of what's to come) 19:30:47 so, gholms and I have been busy with infrastructure stuff 19:30:52 mull: so. f18 plans, we talked about it a few weeks ago, are things still reasonably similar there? 19:30:55 :) 19:30:57 (new scm, new issue tracking system, etc) 19:31:15 you mean euca infra stuff, not the separate fedora infrastructure/cloud stuff 19:31:24 right, euca infra 19:31:37 so not so much with the fedora packaging lately 19:31:57 we'll definitely be on track for an F18 feature 19:32:03 * rbergeron nods 19:32:07 rrix: ping 19:32:36 and you guys are still waiting on 3...... .1? is that right? 19:32:37 oh, one more thing -- I'm assuming that making gholms bump euca2ools to 2.0 for F17 is still okay? 19:32:52 ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 19:32:53 I just found out today that Fedora's version was still old & crusty 19:33:00 yeah... was afraid of that 19:33:11 i don't know. is that like... a major part of other things getting built? 19:33:17 i guess the question is "how much stuff depends on that" 19:33:38 and this is the group of people who should be able to answer that question 19:33:41 ie: if making amis depends on that we'd probably want to be kind of ... cautious and testing about it 19:33:45 mull: yes 19:33:47 other clouds _may_ use the tools 19:33:49 mdomsch :) 19:34:01 russellb: beep beep, thoughts on bumping euca2ools? 19:34:02 right, and ami creation 19:34:03 dgilmore? 19:34:09 ummmm 19:34:15 well, i think that's it for the moment as far as who's here 19:34:42 or crobinso 19:34:57 mull: you may be relegated to the old fashioned "ask the mailing list" fallback :) 19:35:09 ok, that's fine 19:35:23 sorry I didn't realize until this late in the cycle 19:35:27 though i like giving gholms the benefit of the doubt here since he knows what he's doing 104.8% of the time 19:35:43 but i don't wnat to freak people out and break stuff either 19:35:49 the program manager might freak out 19:35:51 rbergeron, also he's the upstream for euca2ools, so if there are bugs he's on the hook to fix them. :) 19:36:09 * rbergeron inserts snarky PM comment, lol 19:36:15 mull: gotcha 19:36:20 rbergeron: sorry distracted 19:36:31 dgilmore: does ami creation depend on euca2ools in any way? 19:36:47 rbergeron: yes, its what we use to upload 19:37:05 rbergeron: we cant use amazons tools as they are propietory 19:38:01 the images we upload to ec2 only work with pv-grub 19:38:05 * mull should note here that he's been using euca2ools 2.0.x on F16 for about 6 months, including for uploads to ec2 19:38:20 dgilmore: so apparently fedora has a super old crusty version and gholms/mull were considering updating it but it's .... late in game, but i don't think much else depends on it, is that something we could try and maybe do a test run of an ami upload with it? 19:38:23 mull: we just use whats in el6 19:38:38 rbergeron: sure can try 19:39:00 oh, if you use el6 for that, then it matters less for you 19:39:28 mull: let's still float it on the list in case for some reason someone else is sort of dependent on it but i don't think there really is 19:39:32 but CYA and all that 19:39:36 absolutely 19:39:48 mull: the releng hosts we use for uploading are rhel6 19:40:02 right, makes sense 19:40:39 #action gholms and/or mull to run idea by list of updating euca2ools to 2.0 in F17, make sure there are no obvious people whose hearts we would break 19:40:44 mull: so im ok with you updating f17 19:41:11 my heart won't break ... probably fine and good, just want time to make sure we can test against openstack 19:41:19 #info is okay with rel-eng (dgilmore), they are using the euca2ools in el6 19:41:39 #info russellb is kosher, just needs time to make sure it can be tested against openstack 19:41:50 that's what updates-testing is for i guess :-) just ping the ML so we know to test 19:42:07 #info just please ping mailing list so they know to test 19:42:12 yeah, gholms is good about that kind of thing :) 19:42:32 rbergeron: hi 19:43:04 laptop botting right now, but hi 19:43:19 rrix: are you on this side of town? 19:43:23 okay, coo. 19:43:28 im in tempe 19:43:29 mull: thanks :) 19:43:34 no wienering :( 19:43:35 rrix: dude, not cool 19:43:43 it's like RIGHT HERE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN 19:43:48 ino :( 19:43:56 #topic Open Floor 19:44:11 mdomsch: i saw you wander in but didn't know if you had anything specific or if you were just randomly rejoining channel :) 19:44:26 joining but highly distracted 19:44:47 okeedokee then :) 19:44:47 nothing to contribute today 19:45:05 mdomsch: gotcha. well, HI! :) 19:45:06 okay. 19:45:10 anyone else have anything of interest? 19:46:25 other than: there is a wienermobile like 6 miles from my house 19:46:34 and i am going to go and see it 19:47:03 and bring them fedora cds 19:47:10 okay then! 19:47:32 * rbergeron hopes y'all have a lovely weekend, and she will see some of you next week, nd others the week after, and will be bitter about others not being able to be present. :) 19:47:40 rbergeron: If I had wheels or wasn't working out of the Lab today, I'd totes be over there. You should get a picture taken with the mobile and a beefy miracle shirt 19:47:58 rrix: i am probably gonna wear i f freedom shirt 19:47:59 but maybe 19:48:03 such a difficult decisoin 19:48:16 i might have to base it off of "what is clean vs. what is still in suitcase from last trip" 19:49:04 okay. 19:49:07 BYE! 19:49:09 #endmeeting