01:00:01 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:02 Meeting started Wed Apr 18 01:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:05 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:15 #chair rbergeron nb 01:00:15 Current chairs: inode0 nb rbergeron 01:00:25 #topic Roll Call 01:00:36 evening everyone 01:01:14 hi inode0, award3535 :) 01:01:37 here 01:01:49 #chair award3535 graphite6 StabbyMc_ 01:01:49 Current chairs: StabbyMc_ award3535 graphite6 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:02:06 hey StabbyMc_, nice to see you again 01:02:07 :) 01:02:24 evening 01:02:29 Hello 01:02:54 #chair dramsey Sonar_Gal 01:02:54 Current chairs: Sonar_Gal StabbyMc_ award3535 dramsey graphite6 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:03:01 #topic Announcements 01:03:06 inode0: good to be back ;-) 01:03:09 meowth? 01:03:54 #chair NiveusLuna 01:03:54 Current chairs: NiveusLuna Sonar_Gal StabbyMc_ award3535 dramsey graphite6 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:04:06 anyone else have announcements? 01:04:08 what, is this a have fun day? 01:04:25 what did I miss that I'm being chaired? XD 01:04:50 you can assign yourself actions this way 01:04:56 ah 01:04:58 if you feel like stepping up 01:05:10 I have a non-Fedora announcement. my birthday was Saturday. 01:05:28 woo! 01:05:29 HB 01:05:35 Happy birthday. ;) 01:05:38 NiveusLuna: Happy Belated Birthday :) 01:05:40 Happy belated spawniversary 01:05:53 haha! good one, Octayn 01:05:57 thank you all 01:06:06 #info NiveusLuna is now old enough to give himself actions 01:06:16 * rbergeron pops in 01:06:20 #info NiveusLuna is now 24 01:06:33 happy birthday! 01:06:39 in 5 years, you'll be as old as i am. 01:06:47 and i will still be 29. :) 01:07:18 8-) 01:07:32 * inode0 is 35 in some base 01:07:48 last call for announcements 01:08:18 * graphite6 wants to thank inode0 for giving the thumbs up 01:08:38 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:09:01 #info FAmNA welcomes graphite6 as our newest ambassador :) 01:09:26 :D 01:09:33 HOORAY! 01:09:46 Welcome, grats 01:09:48 #topic Tickets 01:10:00 .famnaticket 32 01:10:02 inode0: #32 (SELF Brainstorming) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/32 01:10:28 #info #32 (SELF Brainstorming) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/32 01:10:37 we'll see how that works in the logs 01:10:40 I contacted Mo and I got the links to the current hot dog artwork 01:10:55 does any of it look perfect for a button? 01:11:03 #link http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/hotdog/ 01:11:20 #link http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=beefymiracle.git;a=tree;f=sources 01:11:38 I talked to ruth, and she talked to jeremy sands a bit about doing things onsite at the hotel. 01:11:53 there is one of just the hot dog with a glow around him....let me find the file name 01:12:00 And we basically got a "at your own risk unless you work with the hotel directly," so she's continuing to plug away at the idea. 01:12:29 * inode0 thinks the buttons are a good thing regardless 01:12:37 I agree 01:12:44 +1 01:12:50 rbergeron: sorry I haven't reached out to gtswagger yet 01:13:28 I mean regardless of a cookout - we can still have a food drive or in the worst case just give them away for extra fun 01:13:43 #link http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/hotdog/hotdog.svg 01:13:59 that's the direct link to the basic hot dog Mo has designed 01:14:29 inode0: yup 01:14:44 +1 to the buttons regardless of cookout 01:14:45 what I had imagined was Beefy across the top and Miracle around the bottom with his beefiness in the center 01:14:57 graphite6: no worries, he knows quite a few of us from our repeated attendance 01:15:09 inode0: that can be done 01:15:31 but I yield to those more artistic, which means I yield to just about everyone 01:15:33 inode0: with beefy miracle written in mustard? ;) or ketchup? 01:15:34 LOL 01:15:51 :D 01:15:51 * rbergeron actually looked for a moment at pulsating LED light buttons 01:16:04 graphite6: so we have used pure buttons a number of times in the past 01:16:07 what is the cost? 01:16:09 I like the ketchup idea. 01:16:15 I can put a design ticket in and see if someone else can do it, worse case scenario I can do it but I've got to finish another projects logo first 01:16:16 they have a handy template to submit the art on 01:16:44 ohhhhh, sparkly buttons :D 01:17:23 * inode0 thinks we have done 1" and 1.5" round buttons if he recalls correctly 01:17:23 graphite6: I don't think it takes forever for them to be made, and self is in June, so don't feel like you need to have a fire :) 01:17:40 they are pretty quick usually 01:17:43 * rbergeron only remembers 1" but many things predate me 01:18:47 I can look at the vendor templates, do some price esitmates for 1" or 1 1/2" and report back next meeting 01:19:06 volume? I was thinking maybe in the 250 area since these won't work well after F17 01:19:50 cost is insignificant unless things have changed 01:20:24 should I action item myself :) 01:21:02 so 250 1.25" buttons run 23 cents apiece 01:21:08 how significant of a price difference is it for more? 01:21:19 I am sure there would be plenty of people over hte course of the summer who would like it. 01:21:28 unless we just want them to be a one-event-only thing 01:21:36 double the order and it becomes 23 cents apiece 01:22:14 750 drops to 22 .... so just get what we want - no discounts to speak of 01:22:24 ah 01:22:28 about how many conferences will the beefy miracle be showcased at? 01:22:29 500 fedora buttons lasted a long time for us 01:23:04 I bet they'd blow out during Summit. 01:23:33 i always feel like buttons vanish, but maybe i'm crazy 01:23:37 well, the Summit wasn't the audience I had in mind 01:23:49 * StabbyMc_ goes back to being quiet. 01:24:04 but yeah, those goofs will swipe anything not tied down 01:24:37 are we thinking SELF only? 01:24:50 just because of the food exchange type thing? 01:25:03 I was really but even if we expand it I think 100-150 buttons per event is reasonable 01:25:14 should we also have F17 ready also? 01:25:18 * inode0 begs someone send him one :) 01:25:25 inode0: duhh :) 01:26:03 so maybe 500 is a reasonable number? 01:26:34 they can be reordered fast and since there is no discount we can always order more 01:27:01 if at a 100 per event and beefy miracle puts in an appearance at 4-5 conferences during his lifespan, 500ish sounds good 01:27:13 +1 01:27:37 +1 01:28:11 inode0: sure. 01:28:24 ok, so graphite6 will proceed knowing we are eager to approve this in whatever form it takes as soon as possible 01:28:30 #action graphite6 will create the button template and get a cost estimate 01:28:31 * rbergeron thinks they could also be brought to fudcons in other locales to share with other regions if they don't order their own 01:29:16 This meeting was supposed to be primarily about swag - and I'd like to at least try to include other regions in some of our orders if possible 01:29:24 rbergeron: +1 01:29:24 * rbergeron nods 01:29:36 +1 01:29:53 * rbergeron has to go grab a pizza 01:29:55 sigh 01:30:06 ok, I think we will have a brainstorming followup TBD later where we can continue working on SELF ideas 01:30:13 you should be eating hot dogs, not pizza. 01:30:19 lol 01:30:20 only one more ticket tonight 01:30:34 .famnaticket 33 01:30:35 inode0: #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:30:39 jus sayin 01:30:43 it's a sausage party 01:30:53 #info #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:31:12 So this is your opportunity to make hay with swag 01:31:36 Decide what we need/want, in what quantity, and who is going to do the work to make it happen 01:32:17 * inode0 sits back and watches 01:32:28 is there a list of types of swag? 01:32:58 yes and no 01:33:14 spot made a list of approved types but that is a work in progress 01:33:18 tshirts, pens, hats, lighters, screw drivers 01:33:19 :D 01:33:24 umm 01:33:37 oh you know what would be good 01:33:42 a timbuk2 fedora bag 01:33:54 anyone here ever use a timbuk2 bag? 01:34:06 and how much do you estimate that would cost? 01:34:12 a lot. 01:34:16 it could be given away in a contest 01:34:29 or if timbuk2 wants to donate 20 or 30 01:34:40 those 20 or 30 would really never forget it and always use it 01:34:53 have you ever used one of their bags? 01:34:56 would you like to contact them? 01:34:58 yes 01:35:00 sure 01:35:03 i can try 01:35:06 personally I have waaaaaayyyy tooo many bags from conferences, I donated over 50 to goodwill this year alone 01:35:11 they are in San Francisco 01:35:21 graphite6: this isn't a normal bag. 01:35:25 this is a timbuk2. 01:35:39 has gotten timbuk2 01:35:43 well, get details and report back 01:35:47 * Sonar_Gal never donates bags. Kids use them for everything. Donate them to the schools 01:35:48 sure. 01:35:57 i meant laptop bags 01:35:59 it is a fine idea if it ends up being something we can afford 01:36:02 not backpacks 01:36:06 what's the budget? 01:36:15 VICODANAX: they are nice :) 01:36:17 not $50 per item :) 01:36:21 doesn't matter most schools are not allowing bookbags of anytype 01:36:21 what's the budget? 01:36:42 most timbuk2 bags cost over $75 01:36:56 * graphite6 has quite a few... 01:37:01 that requires a lot of explanation we don't have time for - what is the budget 01:37:03 graphite6: I have 2 messenger bags. I found out about Timbuk2 when I got hired at Facebook they gave me a Timbuk2 bag, it was awesome, now at my new job I have a brand new messenger bag 01:37:25 I was given a 15 pound 15" Dell Laptop to use for work 01:37:32 * inode0 suggests moving on to actual swag we will be giving away at most events now 01:37:53 i already suggested a bunch 01:37:55 stickers, tattoos, buttons 01:38:00 yeah 01:38:02 that's pretty boring 01:38:07 im trying to go outside of normal here 01:38:12 and be creative 01:38:15 tattoos we have already in good supply 01:38:37 StabbyMc_: how is the sticker situation? 01:38:40 give away something cheap yet memorable and useful 01:39:05 graphite6: if you would you could piggyback an order of fedora buttons - we have templates already for those 01:39:05 VICODANAX: +1 01:39:12 i mean to be honest 01:39:24 I still have a Microsoft IIS screw driver and a Microsoft Tech Ed 2008 backpack 01:39:34 do i have pens stickers and buttons? No. 01:39:49 so just some food for thought. 01:40:01 * inode0 has a slackware and a bsdi screwdriver - they are fine but routine swag 01:40:09 doesnt matter 01:40:12 you kept it 01:40:15 it's memorable 01:40:18 it's a collectors item 01:40:27 it's useful 01:40:49 VICODAN: you know what comes next don't you? 01:40:52 do you get what im saying? 01:40:57 make it sentimental 01:41:11 you need some of these: http://frankformers.com/ 01:41:26 oh jesus 01:41:28 what is that thing 01:41:45 * Sonar_Gal grabs the pan to use on nirik 01:41:47 WOW 01:41:59 nirik: that's hilarious 01:42:02 * nirik backs away, lets the meeting continue. ;) 01:42:05 lol 01:42:23 yeah let's give out fedora branded condoms while we're at it 01:42:32 LOL 01:42:36 * inode0 makes a note 01:42:38 :head in hands: 01:42:55 please 01:43:47 ahem 01:43:54 onto other matters... 01:43:57 anyways, speaking of laptops UPS should be at my house by the time i get there or they have a flat tire. I'm off. 01:44:09 see ya 01:44:11 i'll try and reach out to timbuk2 see if they are interested 01:44:19 inode0: sorry, had my sound turned off. I have about 1K of stickers I think, plus another 5K that are destined for LatAM. 01:44:25 check on vendors and prices for screwdrivers too 01:44:30 sure 01:44:33 no problemo 01:45:05 StabbyMc_: what does 5K cost approximately? 01:45:34 inode0: lemme check my history, one sec. 01:46:27 * inode0 suggests we start by figuring out how many shirts, stickers, buttons, and pens to get 01:46:53 other swag ideas are great, these are tried and true 01:47:05 do we know last year's order numbers? 01:47:08 * nb is here now 01:47:34 we buy as needed so don't have anything like "last year's number" really 01:47:38 how are the shippers on pens? 01:47:49 you are the only one here 01:47:49 do we need more? 01:47:53 oh true 01:48:08 gotcha 01:48:11 I'm pretty sure we need more but since no one will tell me what they have I can't be sure :) 01:48:56 inode0: about $800. 01:49:04 how much do pens cost? 01:49:08 case badges are another consistent winner 01:49:47 true 01:49:51 and buttons 01:49:56 b 01:50:17 pens: last time we did 3000 for $1325 01:50:33 I think we should go ahead and get another 300 t-shirts but probably someone should design a new one this year :) 01:50:52 inode0, shall i put out a call for designs on the design team list? 01:51:01 please 01:51:07 for the small project I work on, we hand out about 20 buttons per conference and we hit about 15 conferences a year - trying to scale up when I think about fedora numbers 01:51:23 they seemed pretty popular at fudcon 01:51:41 rrix did them last time so our quantities are probably not easily accessible 01:51:44 since he isn't around much anymore 01:51:45 pens are always popular - and they are nice useful pens as well 01:51:54 inode0, yeah, i use them at work too :) 01:51:57 yes they are 01:51:59 and i ordered some for work from there too 01:52:27 * nb proposes ordering another 3000 pens? maybe? 01:52:32 ok, here is my summary 01:52:38 I also like little notebooks/notepads 01:52:45 300 t-shirts 01:52:50 graphite6, hmm, thats a good idea 01:52:55 5000 stickers 01:53:02 3000 pens 01:53:13 1500 buttons (fedora ones) 01:53:29 ???? case badges 01:54:05 inode0, sounds good to me 01:54:55 shall we see if other regions would like to make those orders larger? 01:55:07 * graphite6 has no experience so is really just watching and learning :) 01:55:20 ditto 01:55:23 inode0, idk, do we save much by shipping to other regions? 01:55:26 that list minus the case badges will probably run around $5,000 01:55:49 pens we would save about 0.03 each if we ordered 5000 01:55:55 if we can send the stuff by courier to FUDCons, yes 01:56:12 they're 0.33 each if we order 1000+, 0.30 if we order 5000+ 01:56:18 part of the idea is to get really nice swag to other regions 01:56:29 actually they are more, because we have to add the .12 or so for a 2nd color 01:56:37 +1 01:56:43 true 01:57:23 not that other regions don't produce nice swag now - I just want to give others the option if they would like to get some of what we make 01:57:37 inode0: +1 01:57:56 yeah 01:58:03 since people from NA go to every FUDCon we should be able to send at least some swag with them 01:58:20 crap, i need to start PO for F17 media 01:58:24 :) Mugs, hats, visors. ;) UV protection unglasses. 8-) Mousepads. Highlighter. Flashing LED light. Sports bottle. Digital Pedometer, Retractable Square Badge Holder, Hand Held Fan, Hand Sanitizer, Translucent Shot Glass, Eco Spiral Notebook w/ Pen, Soft Key Chain, Water bottle, Foam insulation wrapped in polyester, lanyard, magnetic clip, Aluminum 6mm carabiner, & tape measure. ;) 01:58:32 i'll email them for the quote tonight 01:58:32 and the case badges probably need to be ordered for more than NA due to cost 01:59:11 yeah 01:59:22 iirc the pricing got a lot cheaper when we ordered more case badges 01:59:27 yup 02:00:29 +1 to carabiner, but -1 to waterbottle/sportbottle - too concerned about BPA 02:02:13 graphite6, They have BPA free 02:02:47 I know we will probably want to check on other regions for case badges, do we wnat to do so for stickers and shirts and pens also? or go ahead and reorder as we have before? 02:03:39 the emea region has some inventory listed here: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/wiki/Inventory 02:03:55 but don't know how up to date it is 02:05:18 oh, another topic is central event box's redhat laptop that i got at fudcon won't charge 02:05:28 would someone just volunteer to send an email to the ambassadors list explaining that we are about to order such and such swag and ask what they think? 02:05:37 give them 24 hours to respond :) 02:06:00 I will 02:06:03 although i don't know we really need another one, I've only sent the central box i think one place in the year or so I've been its keeper 02:06:11 * nirik has another idea... pricy, but possibly very popular: rasberry pi's? a few per larger event to raffle might be popular. 02:06:13 which I think was ILF last year 02:06:46 and I had thought of maybe yubikeys when pam_otp gets launched 02:07:02 or another otp type thing 02:07:09 * Sonar_Gal is off to bed 02:07:36 nirik: i think that would be awesome 02:07:43 nirik, raspberry pi's aren't available yet are they? 02:07:55 the first batch is supposed to be shipping here soon. 02:08:02 dunno how long the lead time is now for new orders. 02:08:47 we can order and use them when we get them anyway - we have been thinking about raffles and that would be a nice prize 02:09:28 So I have one more question: who is helping get this stuff? 02:09:32 * nb will 02:09:39 specifically? 02:09:53 i'll take care of pens and raspberry pi 02:09:56 Stickers and pens are easy enough for me to re-order if rbergeron helps out with a CC. 02:10:08 or StabbyMc_ can :) 02:10:11 I can send out the email asking the other ambassadors if they want to add to our order 02:10:33 i can do that, let's give the other regions a day or so to resond and we can regroup and calculate final #s. 02:10:37 graphite6: can you work on adding fedora buttons to your beefy miracle order too? 02:10:47 * nb guesses we need to approve budget for the raffle prizes? 02:10:51 inode0: yes 02:11:06 we need to approve budget for all of this :) 02:11:20 well, raffle prizes are the only things that we aren't talking about group-ordering :) 02:11:36 nb: you were going to wrangle a new t-shirt design as well? 02:11:43 inode0, yeah, i'll ask for tshirt design 02:12:49 it would be super cool if people could track progress on these in trac 02:13:01 rbergeron: are you taking over the email to the ambassadors or are u talking about some other email (screaming hostile take over ;D) 02:13:02 ok' 02:13:32 how much quantity of raffle prizes are we thinking of? 02:13:36 $500? $750? 02:13:53 * inode0 thinks we'll shift to the next topic real soon for a few minutes and then wrap up 02:14:02 nb: propose something and we'll argue about it :) 02:14:16 * nb proposes we approve $750 for raffle prizes 02:14:25 * inode0 thinks 15-20 would be a reasonable number of pis 02:14:31 yeah 02:14:36 .calc 20*25 02:14:37 nb: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 02:14:50 500 if we get the cheaper ones, or 700 if we get the others 02:14:58 what? 02:14:58 $35 comes with ethernet port and something else 02:15:07 * inode0 thinks 15-20 would be a reasonable number of pis 02:15:45 yeah, let's think about how many we want to use then try to make that number happen rather than start with a number 02:15:52 ok 02:16:11 well, rather than start with $number 02:16:15 Sorry folks got to go, see you all next week 02:16:50 other booth raffle prize ideas are welcome too, we can't always give away just these 02:17:02 #topic Open Floor 02:18:15 * graphite6 brain is mush 02:18:44 Lead Time 141 days 02:18:49 ouch, i hope that isn't really true 02:19:04 nb: is that for the pi's? 02:19:13 :p Sending "Beefy Miracle" positive energy to all your computers now. :p 02:19:13 :D Thanks, inode0 for chairing. :D 02:19:25 graphite6, yeah 02:19:50 we can have some for scale next year! 02:20:24 :D 02:21:06 * inode0 senses people are out of gas 02:21:25 thanks for coming and thanks for picking up work to do 02:21:35 #endmeeting