01:00:25 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:25 Meeting started Wed Apr 25 01:00:25 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:34 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:34 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:43 #chair rbergeron nb 01:00:43 Current chairs: inode0 nb rbergeron 01:00:52 * Sonar_Gal is part here 01:00:53 #topic Roll Call 01:00:59 * Sonar_Gal is part here 01:01:05 present 01:01:13 ping pong 01:01:17 .fas nick@bebout 01:01:18 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 01:02:04 #chair Sonar_Gal award3535 nb 01:02:04 Current chairs: Sonar_Gal award3535 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:02:16 * rbergeron arrives and you won't believe it but my family is fed and everything 01:02:25 woohoo 01:02:51 we are missing some important people at the moment 01:03:10 * inode0 will wait a couple more minutes before beginning 01:04:01 * rbergeron will transport herself and laptop to the patio area to get some "fresh air" 01:05:08 #topic Announcements 01:05:56 We delayed the election announcement until Friday to give FAmSCo a bit more time to sort out its possible election details - whatever we are doing should be announced on Friday 01:05:57 none from me this week 01:06:09 * rbergeron hopes they sort it out :) 01:06:25 is this a result of the email strings I rcvd 01:06:57 #chair Jsandys 01:06:57 Current chairs: Jsandys Sonar_Gal award3535 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:07:49 award3535: there was a bit of a blowup over what they last decided leading to some reconsideration, but they may stick with their original decision if they choose 01:08:14 * nb thinks there was enough people who were against their original decisio 01:08:16 or they may change their minds and do something else, we'll have to wait and see 01:08:37 it is time to just decide and move on regardless I think 01:08:40 yeah 01:09:00 It just seemed a little short fused and vicious I was puzzled 01:09:19 let's not dwell on it here 01:09:24 #topic Tickets 01:09:30 I agree, just curious 01:09:35 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:09:56 we do have some really important tickets tonight that need immediate attention 01:10:10 .famnaticket 11 01:10:11 inode0: #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:10:27 #info #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:10:49 So 01:11:10 Yes, I would like some table dressing and swag 01:11:20 Jsandys: We worked with vwbusguy earlier tonight to make sure you get some swag, it is on its way 01:11:40 good 01:11:50 The event box is basically sitting empty in another location so it won't be sent if I understood how it all shook out 01:12:13 rbergeron made arrangements for the tablecloth to get cleaned up and should be there 01:12:23 rbergeron: were you going to take some stuff too? 01:12:25 (assuming the tablecloth isn't permanently damaged, i will have a report later tonight) 01:12:49 inode0: yes, I am going to bring some Xl and 2XL shirts, and stickers. 01:12:52 table skirt would be nice, for a 6 foot table 01:12:54 And some media. 01:13:02 good 01:13:03 Well, it's the fedora tablecloth. 01:13:20 it looks like a skirt with fedora on the front 01:13:26 I have an XO and will have F17-Beta on display 01:13:44 #chair graphite6 01:13:44 Current chairs: Jsandys Sonar_Gal award3535 graphite6 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:13:46 hey graphite6 01:13:56 hi sorry I'm late traffic 01:14:10 ok, is there anything we need to do for LFNW? 01:14:10 graphite6: all good 01:14:14 rbergeron: hi :) 01:14:18 did we approve a budget for it? 01:14:23 do i need to pay for anything/anyone onsite? 01:14:28 hotels or etc? 01:14:33 * kk4ewt 01:14:35 no one asked for budget as far as I know, so no 01:14:43 I still need to nag the usual suspects to help out at the booth. 01:14:56 usual suspects being? 01:14:58 we did approve sponsrship as the ticket shows 01:15:18 People how have helped before 01:15:45 ..... like ? 01:16:11 * rbergeron will be there and is happy to help of course but i don't know who else is going besides jesse keating 01:16:40 Adam, Tom, Jesse, 01:16:48 adam is in england 01:16:50 tom is going to penguicon 01:16:51 Larry C 01:16:57 larry is running a different booth 01:17:18 so that's you and me and ... well, i will force gregdek into doing something. MUHAHAHAHA. 01:17:43 I have a small list of NW Fedora users 01:17:51 okay 01:18:00 so let's return to the topic of budget for a moment 01:18:13 * graphite6 wonders if rbergeron has put a secret tracking device on my butt so she can keep tabs on where I am :O 01:18:16 Jsandys: are you requesting budget beyond the sponsorship and swag? 01:18:16 for this particular event? 01:18:31 graphite6: i harassed them to come so that's how i know :) 01:18:32 No 01:19:21 ok, please update the wiki so the other odds and ends don't confuse us later if you would 01:19:41 OK, I'll update the wiki 01:19:50 did we pay the sponsorship? 01:20:10 #chair kk4ewt SGS 01:20:10 Current chairs: Jsandys SGS Sonar_Gal award3535 graphite6 inode0 kk4ewt nb rbergeron 01:20:34 It appears that someone did pay the sponsorship 01:20:41 excellent 01:21:06 * inode0 takes a moment to thank Jsandys for his superb reports from LAC 01:21:29 Wahoooo 01:21:36 i haven't but i am in contact with bill wright 01:21:40 To much fun 01:21:48 and as soon as i have some more info from him it will be paid 01:22:17 i expect tonight 01:22:17 Thanks rb! 01:22:44 alright, if there is nothing else for us good luck everyone and have fun at LFNW 01:23:05 .famnaticket 12 01:23:06 inode0: #12 (Penguicon 2012, Apr 27-29, Dearborn. MI) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/12 01:23:21 #info #12 (Penguicon 2012, Apr 27-29, Dearborn. MI) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/12 01:23:36 nb: ping-a-ling 01:23:48 inode0, pong-a-long 01:24:04 see ticket 277 and let us know if you can make that happen 01:24:10 the event is like now 01:24:23 its spots event? 01:24:26 it shall happen 01:24:28 shipping tomorrow 01:24:30 yes 01:24:36 he pm'ed me 01:24:53 great, let's move on and hope spot has fun at penguicon 01:25:03 ruth is going as well 01:25:09 oh 01:25:10 ! 01:25:15 oh! 01:25:17 does anyone have any livemedia to send spot? 01:25:34 if not, he can get what install i have 01:25:42 nb: I might have five or ten... I'll look tonight 01:25:42 nope 01:26:05 jsmith, ok thanks 01:26:10 * graphite6 is going to look 01:26:12 i have probably 100 or so install 01:26:22 nb: i would expect that should work 01:26:35 yeah 01:26:37 * inode0 isn't worried about this, install will work fine on short notice 01:26:42 ok 01:27:04 .famnaticket 33 01:27:05 inode0: #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:27:16 #info #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:27:44 So a little background here 01:27:45 YEAH! SWAG! 01:28:09 nb: I have about 40 LiveMedia discs 01:28:16 It turns out we bought 5k laptop stickers for each region in the last round 01:28:42 * rbergeron has some requests as far as laptop stickers 01:28:44 5k of those haven't been delivered to LATAM yet, so we'll try to get those shipped for FUDCon in June 01:29:36 inode0: laptop stickers as in case badges or voice stickers? 01:29:47 the finity stickers 01:29:49 iirc emea requested 2k laptops stickers and 2k case badges if we order them 01:29:54 inode0, yes, they did 01:30:08 kk4ewt: not the case badges 01:31:03 a group inside red hat is trying to obtain stickers for like, the realy long-term time frame to have on-hand at red hat offices around the world for people to be able to grab to take to events or put on their laptops, and they'd like to order... twenty thousand of them. so i am willing to merge the orders together, so we can benefit from the bulk pricing, and split out the costs internally, but just want people to know so we can keep that in mind. 01:31:08 do people think it is reasonable to just order 2k of each for APAC and 2k case badges for LATAM so we are free to proceed? 01:31:35 yeah 01:31:44 yes 01:31:45 yes 01:31:50 yes 01:32:03 ok, then let's decide what NA needs for both 01:32:09 then add it up 01:32:14 +1 01:32:17 +1 01:32:34 +1 01:32:44 http://noname.math.vt.edu/Fedoraunity/case_badges.pdf 01:32:57 kk4ewt: we do have an extra 1k of the larger laptop stickers 01:33:17 i think we order 10k of case badges total 01:33:43 * inode0 thinks that is a nice number too 01:34:00 these don't go bad as far as I can tell and are always popular 01:34:07 * rbergeron nods 01:34:15 and i love cutting them :) 01:34:19 that was the price list when we origionally ordered so i dont think we pay the setup fees any longer 01:34:40 so that is 4k for NA and 2k for each other region? 01:35:02 sounds good 01:35:04 +1 01:35:20 $75 for another 500, I can't stop 01:35:27 lol 01:35:28 yeah 01:35:30 no $65 01:35:36 how many do we usually get for NA? 01:35:49 last time 2k 01:36:16 so 4k i think is reasonable 01:36:23 #chair StabbyMc_ vwbusguy 01:36:23 Current chairs: Jsandys SGS Sonar_Gal StabbyMc_ award3535 graphite6 inode0 kk4ewt nb rbergeron vwbusguy 01:36:38 wow, this looks like a meeting now :) 01:36:56 +1 to ordering 10k, 4k for NA 01:37:01 hey there 01:37:08 so are we agreed on 10k at an expected price of around $2k? 01:37:13 * vwbusguy just got back from UPS store, got there right at pickup 01:37:13 +1 01:37:17 +1 01:37:25 +1 01:37:32 +1 01:38:13 #agreed FAmNA will order 10,000 case badges and ship 2,000 to EMEA, LATAM, and APAC (expect cost ~$2,000) 01:38:38 next laptop stickers 01:38:43 8k 01:39:05 we don't need any for LATAM, but will get 4k for APAC and EMEA plus what we need 01:39:20 StabbyMc_: can you rough quote an order of 8k? 01:39:49 inode0: i need to add 20k on top of that if you missed my comment earlier but others are paying for them (and i hope the cost will go down) 01:40:12 (if it doens't i iwll tell them to order them on their own but i am hoping piggybacking will like, make it cheaper for us) 01:40:23 right, StabbyMc_ can you rough quote a 28k order :) 01:40:25 ??? 20K of what 01:40:30 kk4ewt, laptop stickers 01:40:32 laptop stickers 01:40:37 kk4ewt, RHT is paying for 20k for them to give out 01:40:40 holy crap 01:40:48 that's to keep at offices around the world 01:40:58 wow 01:41:01 it is cool beans 01:41:03 give out at orientation 01:41:08 nice 01:41:11 great 01:41:12 yeeha! 01:41:16 inode0: give me a sec, I have the numbers for 20K. 01:41:31 why not make it an even 30k then 01:41:38 oh, 30k what the heck? :) 01:41:51 go for it 01:41:59 the price i bet is cheaper 01:42:16 * graphite6 getting visions of plastering a whole building with fedora stickers 01:42:19 we'll use them 01:43:37 stickers go fast at events 01:43:43 and they're cheaper than badges 01:43:54 yeah, i figured 20k would probably lower our costs quite a bit 01:44:32 vwbusguy: the last i heard about the same price 01:44:42 they seem popular, i know i saw a lot of people at fudcon with stickers all over their laptop 01:44:54 and bags 01:44:56 the marginal cost was about the same at the levels we have ordered in the past 01:45:28 inode0: 20,000 was $1977; if the same per unit, would be about $2730 for 28,000 stickers. 01:45:39 StabbyMc_: 30K 01:45:44 StabbyMc_: let's make it 30k 01:45:54 and let's hope they cut us a price break too 01:45:55 $2925 01:46:32 well, that is what? 10 cents each? 01:46:43 rbergeron: I'll ask, but I bet at those numbers, they're probably giving us a pretty good price per piece. 01:46:43 well, he said "if same price per unit" 01:46:48 i guess it couldn't go down much more 01:46:57 $0.095 01:47:09 this sounds quite good to me 01:47:42 StabbyMc_, how much was our price per unit at our normal quantities? 01:47:49 so is it 28K or 30K 01:47:59 30k 01:48:12 are we agreed on 30k laptop stickers (10k for ambassadors with 2k going to each of EMEA and APAC)? 01:48:22 +1 01:48:22 aye 01:48:24 +1 01:48:25 approximate cost $3,000 01:48:25 +1 01:48:27 yes 01:48:28 +1 01:48:31 WORKSFORME +1 01:48:35 +1 01:48:35 +1 01:48:38 $1,000 from our budget 01:48:39 inode0: but wrt price - 01:48:41 yeah 01:48:41 that. 01:48:42 :) 01:48:45 nb: it was $0.297/sticker in an order of 5000. 01:48:49 oh 01:48:55 so we are getting major price break 01:48:55 StabbyMc_, yeah, that's a lot cheaper :) 01:49:03 thank you daddy shadowman for ordering 20k stickers 01:49:17 lols 01:49:45 #agreed FAmNA will order 30,000 laptop stickers (20,000 for Red Hat use and 10,000 for ambassador use) for around $3,000 ($1,000 ambassador budget) 01:49:50 wow, we are getting like ... 2x as many stickers for less 01:49:58 nice] 01:50:11 which is awesome 01:50:13 :D 01:50:19 StabbyMc_: can you make sure i'm looped in on that invoice :) 01:50:23 stickergiant right? 01:50:24 * inode0 likes getting stuff done 01:50:42 * nb wonders....... can that go through on a cc or does it have to be a PO? 01:50:46 * nb isn't sure what the cutoff is 01:50:47 before we move on ... who is responsible for making these orders now? 01:50:48 nb: sssh 01:50:52 rbergeron, oh ok 01:51:05 inode0, i was just discussing that with robyn 01:51:19 well, i can order it 01:51:22 inode0, both of you two will make orders and we might have to get spot to do some 01:51:22 not paying for them, doing the work getting them 01:51:29 i mean some things if they rae under your limit you can do 01:51:30 inode0, oh ok 01:51:43 but yeah, i think stabby has done stickers in the past, though i think with the appropriate info anyone can do it 01:52:13 I think spevack was last to order case badges 01:52:17 rbergeron: will do, just sent off the request for quote. 01:52:29 yep 01:52:41 but the vendor is on the list 01:52:43 i can do case badges 01:52:49 i guess 01:53:02 with credit card 01:53:08 nb: a expense report for $2500 or under does not require anyone's approval other than the RH'ers direct manager. 01:53:17 please action yourselves so we know later who to follow up with 01:53:28 #action nb will order the 10,000 case badges 01:53:35 StabbyMc_, oh ok 01:53:48 * rbergeron has never had an expense report under that, lol 01:53:48 #action StabbyMc: keep rbergeron in the loop on sticker re-order and git 'er done. 01:54:04 thanks 01:54:27 nb: how much are case badges? 01:54:31 StabbyMc_: please also work with rbergeron for getting the 5k stickers for LATAM in someone's hands to take this summer 01:54:44 inode0: i will be at latam so 01:54:50 rbergeron: about 2K 01:54:57 rbergeron: $1,825 according to the old estimate 01:54:58 inode0: was talking about that with jsmith. 01:55:40 if stabby gets them to me i can take them down 01:55:46 this is a productive meeting, do people mind going longer to get more done tonight? 01:55:56 lets get the list of crap to order done 01:56:02 if others don't mind 01:56:04 pens? 01:56:06 +1 go on 01:56:07 **crosses fingers*** 01:56:10 I think there are pens and t-shirts left on the list 01:56:13 +1 01:56:15 i think we want to order pens too, EMEA doesn't want any 01:56:22 +1 for continuing 01:56:29 +1 01:56:35 buttons? 01:56:40 oh yeah, them too 01:56:42 * inode0 does need a 3 minute break but pick something and continue :) 01:56:50 oh yes, buttons too 01:56:51 StabbyMc_: what was the last order of pens we got 01:56:53 inode0: hey, i need a 3 minute break too 01:56:56 pens are cool, people ask about Fedora when you use it, and it reminds you to tell others when they don't ask. 01:57:09 #info we will take a 3 minute break (but can discuss in the interim) 01:57:18 * nb wonders why he actually info'ed that 01:57:45 lol 01:57:57 was rrix the last button orderer? 01:58:11 rbergeron: yep 01:58:16 yeah he was 01:58:33 do we have that info at all or shall i harass him about it? 01:58:35 when he wakes up 01:58:36 does stabby have a ups account, he should. he doesn't ship but he orders stuff a lot and ships people 01:58:41 rbergeron, its purebuttons i think 01:58:51 lol i made no sense 01:58:57 he ships the stuff he orders to people 01:59:01 i ship people too! 01:59:06 nb: i think he does if not we can get him labels 01:59:12 inode0 has mentioned using purebuttons to me 01:59:20 * rbergeron puts nb in a box and sends him to penguicon 01:59:23 kk4ewt: last pens was $1325.19 for 3000 pens. 01:59:59 kk4ewt: the pen price is variable though. The order before that the pens were over a nickel cheaper each, so I'll have to contact the guy for a quote. 02:00:21 the price is on the site i think? although gthat doesn't include shipping 02:00:53 1000+ $0.33 02:00:53 5000+ $0.30 02:00:58 + $0.12 each for a 2nd color 02:01:18 * kk4ewt motions we get a quote for 5K and 3k and see then 02:01:24 we have used purebuttons several times 02:01:25 * rbergeron agrees 02:01:45 next meeting starting, got to go, +1 on pens 02:01:45 we also need to quote like ... what, 250 buttons with beefy on them? 02:01:46 * rrix perks up 02:01:55 rrix: do you have old invoice info or anything for purebuttons? 02:01:58 It was purebuttons 02:02:01 I can search 02:02:07 just so people know pb usually sends more than ordered and some are defective but 02:02:08 I honestly am not certain 02:02:09 to reorder, unless they just have it on file as fedorabuttons 02:02:10 has quotes! 02:02:24 Cost estimate using purebuttons.com for 500 buttons: 02:02:24 1 inch button: .205 each, approx. $102.50 (shipping and handling not included) 02:02:24 1.25 inch button: .225 each, approx. $112.50 (shipping and handling not included) 02:02:24 we usually have ended up with a bit more than we ordered that were good 02:02:32 * rrix stashes this code away real fast 02:02:34 graphite6: oh, awesome, you do? 02:02:42 graphite6: also from purebuttons? 02:02:51 yes 02:02:56 for purebuttons 02:03:05 oh, i'm looking at the pens pricing 02:03:08 okay, that seems reasonable 02:03:18 that doesnt work out 02:03:21 question for beefy miracle buttons, do we do 1 inch or 1.25 inch buttons 02:03:29 yeah, I don't get the prices ther 02:03:38 don't look at the pen prices previously quoted :) 02:03:56 oh i see 02:04:01 sorry did I confuse everyone? 02:04:01 the math doesn't ad up? 02:04:14 how many are we considering? 02:04:16 no, it adds up 02:04:18 i think graphite6 needs to move a decimal place 02:04:39 20.5 cents each for 500 buttons 02:04:52 102.50 02:04:58 * jsmith has to run 02:05:00 so are we just talking about beefy buttons now? 02:05:05 decimal points, who needs them :) 02:05:10 i would almost get 1.25 inch but.... 02:05:18 1 inch 02:05:19 inode0: yes 02:05:22 i got the decimal points, fractions of a dollar 02:05:25 no 02:05:25 *award3535 also has to run, see you all next week 02:05:28 beefy miracle has lots of detail to see that is glorious 02:05:37 for the beefy ones I'd like larger buttons, for fedora buttons I think the 1" are good 02:05:48 inode0: i do too 02:05:52 yes, and the mustard! it indicates progress! it must be visible! 02:05:58 lol 02:06:05 -1 BM buttons 02:06:09 maybe even 1.5" for beefy 02:06:12 * rbergeron still thinks light up led buttons with yellow led lighting up the mustard would be epic but insanely expensive 02:06:15 LOL 02:06:16 * nb does think 1.25" for beefy miracle and 1" for Fedora 02:06:31 kk4ewt: i think it's a "get a button if you donate food at southesatlinuxfest" 02:06:49 for food drive 02:06:52 yes, that was the plan for SELF 02:06:56 +1 for that them 02:07:00 or at least an idea 02:07:00 then 02:07:45 I'm getting price for 1.5 inch for the beefy miracle 02:07:45 so 500 are cheap enough it isn't worth considering less IMO 02:08:40 for 1.5 inch buttons the cost is $122.00 02:08:44 * rbergeron notes she ordered some beefymiracle diecut stickers out of $otherbudget and will see if those turn out, a small small quantity (and will be happy to snail mail some to whoever wants one for a laptop) 02:08:56 * rbergeron is considering taking one to max's apartment and putting it on his doorstep 02:08:58 * nb wants one 02:09:02 rbergeron, lol 02:09:06 rbergeron: +1 02:09:07 * inode0 moves we order 500 Beefy Miracle button for ~$150 02:09:14 +1 to BM order 02:09:23 +1 02:09:44 hmmmm 02:09:56 I've put in a design ticket to get writing (in mustard) around the hot dog "Beefy Miracle" 02:09:58 +1 02:09:59 #agreed FAmNA will order 500 Beefy Miracle buttons for approximately $150 for use at SELF Food Drive and elsewhere 02:10:24 * inode0 waits for graphite6 to action herself now 02:10:24 I cannot find the invoice any where, I purged my email about six months ago and it's probably in some old backup somewhere :\ 02:10:34 I also looked on the googles for it 02:10:36 rrix: okay, we'll sort it out 02:10:42 inode0: what am I actioning 02:10:59 that you are taking care of the Beefy Miracle button details for SELF 02:11:08 graphite6: that you will follow up on design team ticket through ordering buttons i think :) 02:11:08 got it... 02:11:29 #action graphite6 will follow up on design team ticket through ordering buttons 02:11:29 graphite6: you are doing the design ticket 02:11:33 next Fedora buttons? 02:11:57 i thought we already covered those 500 02:12:15 1" 02:13:01 * kk4ewt motion we get 1000 Fedora buttons 02:13:04 that was 500 beefy miracle buttons 02:13:37 1500 buttons (1") costs $285.00 (about 19 cents each) 02:13:38 how many buttons do we typically order? 02:13:38 so 1k fedora buttons are probably around $250 02:13:55 ok, I'm happy with 1500 at that price 02:14:07 we have order 500 in the past and run out pretty quickly 02:14:08 * kk4ewt rescends motion 02:14:15 PROPOSAL: order 1500 fedora 1" buttons 02:14:18 at approx 285.00 02:14:18 +1 02:14:24 +1 02:14:24