04:02:08 #startmeeting 04:02:08 Meeting started Sat Apr 28 04:02:08 2012 UTC. The chair is bckurera. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:02:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:02:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-04-28 04:02:39 please find the agenda at the above link 04:02:53 #topic Ambassador Pinging 04:03:02 #meetingname apac 04:03:02 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:03:22 .fas bckurera 04:03:22 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 04:03:29 .fas zerng07 04:03:30 zerng07: zerng07 'Cheng-Chia Tseng' 04:03:32 .fas FranciscoD 04:03:34 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' - franciscodubo 'Francisco Javier Dubó Ortíz' 04:03:36 .fas vicodan 04:03:38 VICODAN_: vicodan 'Dan Mashal' 04:03:38 .fas lsd 04:03:42 FranciscoD for famsco! 04:03:42 LSD: lsd 'Lali Sudaththa Devamanthri' - stefanlsd '' - vitalsdw 'Shaun Williams' - alsdkj 'alksdf' - nicholsd 'Donnell Nichols' 04:03:46 .fas izhar 04:03:47 KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' 04:03:50 .fas MavJS from Burma, currently in Malaysia. Helping out with FUDCon KL. (not an ambassador yet, have applied though. :) ) 04:03:52 MavJS: 'MavJS from Burma, currently in Malaysia. Helping out with FUDCon KL. (not an ambassador yet, have applied though. :) )' Not Found! 04:03:56 lol! 04:04:01 .fas MavJS 04:04:02 MavJS: mavjs 'Ye Myat Kaung' 04:04:26 #chair KageSenshi zerng07 04:04:26 Current chairs: KageSenshi bckurera zerng07 04:04:37 huh? 04:04:41 #chair MavJS 04:04:41 Current chairs: KageSenshi MavJS bckurera zerng07 04:04:45 * FranciscoD tapes KageSenshi 's mouth! 04:04:52 :P 04:04:53 :P 04:04:56 #chair FranciscoD 04:04:56 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MavJS bckurera zerng07 04:05:00 .fas MarkDude 04:05:00 MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' 04:05:13 hello FAms nice to see you all here, and good morning 04:05:20 #chair MarkDude 04:05:20 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude MavJS bckurera zerng07 04:05:43 shall we start reviewing Action Items? 04:06:33 aye 04:06:37 +1 04:06:37 #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting 04:06:43 * FranciscoD just got up from bed and came running 04:06:45 XD 04:06:57 Action Item #`1 : FranciscoD mail relevant folks with survey ideas 04:07:17 bckurera: no updates, next please 04:07:20 FranciscoD floor is yours 04:07:23 ok 04:07:33 #info FranciscoD has been lazy and doesnt have updates 04:07:34 :$ 04:07:45 Action Item #3: bckurera to work on video to elaborate the importance of apac-trac 04:07:49 still pending 04:07:55 #action bckurera to work on video to elaborate the importance of apac-trac 04:08:15 Action Item #7 : tuanta Reorganize items page for face2face discussion at KL 04:08:26 we miss tuanta today, any update from others? 04:08:39 #action FranciscoD mail relevant folks with survey ideas 04:09:01 I ll add the action item for tuanta again, 04:09:02 ! 04:09:03 #action tuanta Reorganize items page for face2face discussion at KL 04:09:12 please VICODAN 04:09:25 I emailed my design to the design team 04:09:30 and am waiting to hear back from you 04:09:36 didnt get many positive responses 04:09:47 what's the status of the buttons? did you want me to order them and take them to redhat mv? 04:10:15 err .. 04:10:23 VICODAN I think you should ping the design team again for a reply, may be there were busy :) 04:10:36 well i got a bunch of responses on the list 04:10:38 let me pull it up 04:10:40 BTW I think you need to contact Harish directly about the matter on button 04:10:51 * KageSenshi wonder the button is it for general fedora, or is it for fudcon kl ? 04:10:51 ok 04:11:01 fudcon kl 04:11:04 err .. 04:11:18 Since we have KageSenshi with us we can discuss about the situation of buttons. 04:11:18 so who will bring it here? 04:11:45 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2012-April/005414.html 04:11:49 because i already taken quotes to produce buttons using existing design, and right now waiting for harish to send deposit over 04:11:53 that was pretty much the end of the conversation 04:11:58 * FranciscoD remembers some discussion about the red hat office getting it transported 04:12:03 yes 04:12:14 KageSenshi: the ones VICODAN_ is speaking about is 100$ worth iirc 04:12:33 yes cheaper, but what about shipment ? .. 04:12:36 * FranciscoD hopes he didn't dream up this discussion he's referring to :O 04:12:42 it would be shipped from redhat mv 04:12:58 (I am in NA, San Jose) 04:13:02 MV is 15 minutes from me 04:13:05 to harish 's office, who will bring them to KL 04:13:16 VICODAN_: wasnt this discussed in the last meeting? 04:13:27 last weeks meeting I mean? 04:13:29 yes. 04:13:32 im following up 04:13:42 and time is ticking 04:13:43 FranciscoD, i was not in the meetings which there was discussion on producing buttons from outside of .my 04:13:55 hrm, looks like it didnt make the minutes of the meeting then 04:14:00 so now a bit confused here :) 04:14:07 KageSenshi: ^ I think that's why you werent aware 04:14:18 because i'm already in the process of producing the buttons locally 04:14:36 if you are taking care of it then it's fine 04:14:42 also, which's budget this will be on? 04:14:47 fudcon budget or famsco budget? 04:15:10 KageSenshi: aye, I think these were to be extra 'nice to have' buttons, there wasnt a discussion about these being *the* buttons for KL, 04:15:10 most probably famsco one 04:15:13 was there? 04:15:51 FranciscoD I think those are for APAC countries. 04:15:52 bckurera and dramsey would be able to answer that question 04:16:02 yeah .. i asked for how many extra buttons you guys want to produce together with the buttons under fudcon budget as it'll reduce the per-unit price .. 04:16:20 where the extra buttons will come from famsco budget rather than fudcon budget 04:16:48 I m not aware of producing buttons, but we had a discussion on the last meeting, but still I m confused ! 04:16:53 i'd get to visit redhat mv and hopefully a tshirt out of it that's what i liked about it 04:17:04 KageSenshi: ah, then that takes care of it I guess. 04:17:20 hi everyone :) 04:17:25 I think it is better KageSenshi handle it 04:17:26 .fas arifiauo 04:17:27 hello arifiauo 04:17:27 arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' 04:17:32 VICODAN_: looks like KageSenshi had it covered here. :) 04:17:33 #acir arifiauo 04:17:38 no problem, $100 and gas saved 04:17:39 #chair arifiauo 04:17:39 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude MavJS arifiauo bckurera zerng07 04:17:51 i'll find an excuse to visit redhat mv some other time 04:17:55 VICODAN_: thank you for your proposal anyway, we really appreciate it 04:17:58 1) 500 buttons for fudconkl, produced under fudcon budget 04:18:00 no problem 04:18:25 KageSenshi: use info tags, we need to work on making logs better :P 04:18:33 2) i then asked if anybody want to produce extra under famsco budget, which will later distributed across apac .. and what are amount extra we want 04:18:44 #info 500 buttons for fudconkl, produced under fudcon budget 04:18:51 #info i then asked if anybody want to produce extra under famsco budget, which will later distributed across apac .. and what are amount extra we want 04:19:02 bckurera: you didnt do the asking :P 04:19:07 ? 04:19:23 LOL 04:19:28 please FranciscoD 04:19:32 if you guys want to produce the buttons under famsco budget at NA, i'm ok with it :) 04:19:40 price is cheaper there though 04:19:41 well 04:19:51 it was $.20 a button 04:19:58 for 1" buttons 04:20:02 i dont think 1.5" was much more 04:20:13 KageSenshi: have you gotten an answer to what you or bckurera asked? :P 04:20:35 ! 04:20:39 VICODAN_, here is 1.5" for myr1.2 (usd 0.4) 04:20:51 * FranciscoD hasnt answered and would like some buttons 04:20:52 eof 04:21:00 please inode0 04:21:08 Honestly I think it would be dicy getting them in the US, shipped to harish, and delivered to KL in time, EOF 04:21:20 +1 04:21:37 thanks that should be the concern 04:21:56 #info buttons: it would be dicy getting them in the US, shipped to harish, and delivered to KL in time, EOF 04:22:01 that's what im saying, it's getting too late for it 04:22:04 +1 inode0 04:22:24 Shall we cone to a conclusion then? 04:22:45 KageSenshi is producing buttons for FUDcon and for APAC on request? 04:22:55 Gigi 04:22:56 hi kaio_ph :) 04:22:56 Hi 04:23:05 #chair kaio_ph 04:23:06 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude MavJS arifiauo bckurera kaio_ph zerng07 04:23:10 (not Gigi, teeth) 04:23:14 #info KageSenshi will start production of fudconkl buttons as soon as he gets money from harish, that means, either monday or tuesday 04:23:29 .fas me@kaio 04:23:29 kaio_ph: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' 04:23:38 Thanks, shall we continue then? 04:23:40 next topic 04:23:41 and considering i'm already going to go there, guess extra buttons is a no then 04:24:00 and we have yet to get famsco budget for producing that :) 04:24:16 ? 04:24:26 FranciscoD please 04:24:52 KageSenshi: did thy open a ticket for the famsco part of the monies? 04:24:58 eof 04:25:13 ASAIF the answer is no ! 04:25:29 FranciscoD, no .. as i'm waiting for you guys to decide how many buttons want to be produced under famsco budget, but seems like that decision have yet to be made 04:25:52 KageSenshi: shall we take a count then? most of the folks coming to KL are here? 04:25:57 s/most of/quite a few of/ 04:25:58 KageSenshi can you ping the FAm list for this? 04:26:06 for 500 1.5" buttons they are $.24 a button 04:26:12 $120 04:26:17 they also have acetate buttons 04:26:22 bckurera: its really limited to folks coming to KL, not all ambassadors IMO 04:26:35 http://justbuttons.org/quick-tips/what-is-acetate.html 04:26:52 FranciscoD, but the decision can be taken considering all the needs. 04:27:23 ? 04:27:35 go on Franciscod 04:27:46 FranciscoD, bckurera .. i'm not sure whether theres enough time to catch up .. 04:27:48 so, these buttons that we're speaking of: ones for ambassadors 04:28:05 if the ambassadors list is pinged, and we get folks not coming to KL asking for them 04:28:11 how do we get the buttons to these folks? 04:28:22 ! 04:28:28 do KL attendees carry them back and mail it out? 04:28:44 this is the first I'm hearing about it, so I'd like concrete info :) 04:28:45 eof 04:28:49 inode0 floor is yours 04:29:52 If you are talking about ordering a few hundred dollars of buttons to distribute at KL to ambassadors for use at other events later I think it is safe to assume famsco will approve that. 04:30:20 * FranciscoD notes that KageSenshi should define an upper limit on number of buttons per ambassador can request: Otherwise the number could run into thousands really. 04:30:32 inode0: ++ 04:31:00 * inode0 is willing to approve it in any case so you are safe doing it if you don't have time to clear it with famsco - EOF 04:31:35 KangeSenshi when you are going to make the order for buttons? 04:31:52 Tuesday/Monday as soon as he gets $$$$$ 04:31:58 * FranciscoD passes bckurera some coffee 04:32:00 if we're producing 500(fudcon)+500(famsco), the price will drop to myr0.9 per unit .. 04:32:23 roughly what is that USD? 04:33:41 1000 buttons -> usd 296 .. 500 buttons - usd 198 .. 04:33:53 i already had usd 198 approved to produce 500 buttons 04:33:54 Lets vote now to approve it from APAC's perspective and just do it if harish will pay for it 04:34:00 +1 04:34:11 manufacturer request 50% deposit to produce it 04:34:55 KageSenshi is it possible to produce another 500 for APAC? 04:34:56 the existing approved amount can be used for the deposit i guess instead of paying it full 04:35:14 that'll give time to get the other half approved .. 04:35:21 inode0: i think its a great idea, +1 for me 04:35:25 this is a small enough expense you can make the decision 04:35:47 yes, we can make the decision here, now ! 04:37:01 +1 04:37:04 +1 04:37:10 +1 04:37:28 +1 04:37:46 Shall I mark this as #agree for USD 198 funding to produce 500 buttons for APAC 04:37:51 yes 04:38:11 ok thanks ! 04:38:11 wait, 296 for 1000 04:38:18 (actually you'll only need usd 100 as i'll be producing them together with fudcon buttons 04:38:30 aye, 100$ required only 04:38:39 then it is cool 04:38:49 #agreed USD 100 funding to produce 500 buttons for APAC 04:39:07 :) 04:39:12 yay! 04:39:20 no any other comments I suppose. I ll open a ticket and pass the message to Harish 04:39:22 Cool 04:39:26 * FranciscoD runs around singing 'I'll get fedora buttons x2' 04:39:34 cool :D 04:39:45 Thanks for your support inode0 and KangeSenshi 04:39:53 shall we move? 04:39:56 aye 04:39:58 +1 04:40:10 move++ gotta keep meeting timed 04:40:28 #topic APAC for FAmSCO (dramsey for you!) 04:40:33 go!go!go! 04:40:36 +5k 04:40:38 we miss Dramsey today 04:40:45 aye, he mailed saying he's travelling 04:40:55 ? 04:40:59 please 04:41:08 I wanted to clarify this topic: 04:41:32 Are we going to decide some folks from APAC who we'll support for FAmSCo elections? 04:41:36 is that what we're doing? 04:41:41 eof 04:41:56 +1 04:42:20 I am nit sure since the Dramsey added the topic 04:42:33 we will discuss this when he is around, agree? 04:42:43 Because, I don't want each fedora region: apac,latam,na,emea breaking up into political parties who push to get their reps into FAmSCo 04:43:03 ! 04:43:03 +1 04:43:05 I will not participate if it's going to end up like that in *any* way. 04:43:08 inode0: please 04:43:11 * FranciscoD eof 04:43:29 I strongly agree with FranciscoD - ambassadors on FAmSCo need to represent all ambassadors 04:43:35 EOF 04:43:43 +1 inode0 FranciscoD 04:44:01 I'd rather that we start a campaign so that all Ambassadors know what every Ambassador is doing 04:44:14 A 'know your ambassadors' campaign 04:44:21 whose goals would be: 04:44:28 ! 04:44:32 1. To get everyone up to speed with what everyone else is doing 04:44:44 2. Push more folks to vote, and thus get a better election run 04:45:06 we;ve had complains about the lack of participation in the voting, main cause is that folks dont know the candidates well enough IMO 04:45:17 inode0: what d'ya think about ^? 04:45:26 eof 04:45:29 please arifiauo 04:45:44 famsco elections usually have about 125 voters 04:45:59 Ithink we need to decide some folks from APAC but not should support for FAmSCo elections. 04:46:14 ? 04:46:20 I'm not sure how many active ambassadors there are but I suspect that is a substantial portion of them now. 04:46:43 inode0: India has 32 alone, i think only about 40% of ambassadors had participated 04:46:55 arifiauo: can you clarify please? your statement isn't clear. 04:46:55 eof 04:47:09 40% participation is quite large in this sort of organization really 04:47:21 aye inode0, but 80 is still better ;) 04:47:39 if they are engaged and informed, yes :) 04:47:50 i think its time to bring up another Ambassador survey 04:47:56 * FranciscoD needs to get a little less lazy 04:48:01 I think we still have to vote for candidates from APAC, although later there is no obligation to support his election. 04:48:10 but remember this election will be open to CLA+1 voters, not just ambassadors 04:48:26 inode0: aye, but candidates are ambassadors, right? 04:48:30 for famsco? 04:48:30 yes 04:48:45 great, so everyone needs to know what ambassadors have been upto 04:49:10 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules 04:49:10 arifiauo: I disagree. We should not select candidates. Anyone who wants to step up, should give it a try. 04:49:19 so questionnaires and townhalls were intended to help with this education effort 04:49:19 * harish back at the keyboard 04:49:29 Selecting candidates also goes down the political party system 04:49:31 welcome harish 04:49:40 #chair harish 04:49:40 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude MavJS arifiauo bckurera harish kaio_ph zerng07 04:49:44 and like I said, I'm not going into that direction, at all, at any time. 04:49:46 but sadly not many contributors seem interested in them 04:49:57 inode0: I'll try to change that 04:50:08 Then we give the opportunity now. 04:50:23 arifiauo: folks step up, when voting comes, you vote 04:50:40 Anyone who wants to step up? 04:50:42 * inode0 is looking for a volunteer to coordinate the questionnaires this election btw :) 04:50:44 yes 04:50:53 * KageSenshi points inode0 to FranciscoD 04:51:07 KageSenshi is really bent on getting me work eh? :P 04:51:13 :P 04:51:20 inode0: but yes, I am interested in helping out :) 04:51:25 KageSenshi: there, happy? :P 04:51:32 hehe :P 04:51:41 * inode0 is happy 04:51:57 KageSenshi +1 more work to FranciscoD :) 04:52:03 inode0: should I drop you a mail or something? /me doesnt know where to get started :) 04:52:11 go and ask some good questions for famsco candidates now :) 04:52:14 bckurera, xD 04:52:20 I thought you people were my friends bckurera KageSenshi :P 04:52:30 FranciscoD: I'll drop you an email explaining the process 04:52:35 inode0: great :) 04:52:45 * MarkDude has FranciscoD 's back XD 04:52:56 good friends helps you .. best friends laugh at you .. 04:53:02 bckurera: i think we should go to the next topic :P 04:53:05 04:53:11 KageSenshi: yeah, wait until I get to KL and laugh at you :P 04:53:12 +1 04:53:16 :P 04:53:32 #topic APAC Events and Status of F17 Release Parties (dramsey) 04:53:55 We are having a booth today at Apache bar camp in Kandy 04:53:56 #info FranciscoD help co-ordinating questionnaires for elections 04:54:10 bckurera: great! 04:54:16 * FranciscoD will wait for the pictures and reports :D 04:54:17 LSD is there at the moment on the booth and I ll be there soon the meeting over ! 04:54:33 That is all from me 04:54:45 ! 04:54:46 FranciscoD +1 04:54:53 please arifiauo 04:54:55 I would like to report about the release party Surakarta. 04:55:10 arifiauo: use info tag where required please 04:55:26 #info bckurera is having a booth today at Apache bar camp in Kandy 04:55:46 * harish i think i've caught up on the meeting so far. and yes, i will be sending the monies to KageSenshi 04:55:54 Everything was going according to plan, just waiting for the funds last. Maybe some day, I was able to spread the invitation. 04:56:12 #info Everything was going according to plan, just waiting for the funds last. Maybe some day, I was able to spread the invitation. 04:56:17 * bckurera thanks harish the request is on https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/26 04:56:40 bckurera: if its approved, please make it an info item 04:56:53 its good to have minutes with tickets approved, encourages folks 04:57:03 please use the apac-trac for fund requests : arifiauo 04:57:06 tiny things, but they make a difference IMO :) 04:57:25 FranciscoD will do it on the topic soon ! 04:57:36 any update on this topic? 04:57:40 ! 04:57:44 one hour left 04:57:54 zerng07 please 04:58:07 I want to discuss my ticket. 04:58:12 Tickets have been approved but not yet transferred by harish. 04:58:34 .famsco #287 04:58:34 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/#287 04:58:54 I have chosen the date and the location. 04:59:07 i think arifiauo already has a ticket filed, right arifiauo ? 04:59:07 link? 04:59:08 did you produce receipts: arifiauo ? 04:59:09 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/23#comment:12 04:59:48 zerng07 pleas wait a bit till the next topic ! 04:59:57 OK. 04:59:57 bckurera, I did 05:00:12 please ping harish then, 05:00:26 shall we move? 05:00:32 bckurera, how? 05:01:01 I've reassign the ticket to him. 05:01:45 arifiauo: harish will take a look at it when he finds the time, please be patient, it'll be done. 05:01:50 bckurera: next? 05:01:57 agree 05:02:01 yes 05:02:07 #topic Review APAC trac tickets 05:02:25 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 05:02:53 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/23 05:03:05 your turn zerng07 05:03:12 Thanks! 05:03:39 The news is that I chose 6/3 (Sun). 05:04:01 and decided the place in Black Cat Moon Snake Coffee. 05:04:21 Hope it be approved. 05:05:16 zerng07 your total amount? 05:05:25 170 USD? 05:05:27 170USD. 05:05:30 yes. 05:05:33 ok thanks 05:05:51 bckurera: funding tickets -> action items for harish please :) 05:06:03 shall we consider this ticket and mark it agreed? 05:06:35 FranciscoD : you mean the arifiauo ticket? 05:06:51 zerng07 ticket 05:06:59 arifiauo, ticket paid. please check. 05:07:09 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/23 05:07:13 bckurera: eventually, all funding tickets need harish to take a look :) 05:08:24 FranciscoD|work : yes, but we (with harish) had a long discussion about this ticket in a meeting so I think this is time to make it approve ! 05:08:33 harish what you think? 05:08:59 for #23? 05:09:11 yes 05:09:34 that is a go ahead. 05:09:51 any other comment from others? 05:09:55 i've gotten red hat taiwan to contact zerng07 and i think it is all in order. 05:10:00 Yes. 05:10:21 They provided me a place option. 05:10:47 listed in the latest comment. 05:10:48 shall we mark the ticket as agreed, then ? 05:10:50 harish, the ticket amount is 53USD 05:11:24 arifiauo, i am looking at the RP450K and doing the conversion from that. 05:11:32 harish, thanks for your help! 05:11:37