19:01:08 #startmeeting Cloud SIG 19:01:08 Meeting started Fri May 4 19:01:08 2012 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:13 #meetingname Cloud SIG 19:01:13 The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig' 19:01:17 #topic Who's here? 19:01:23 #chair gholms|fail 19:01:23 Current chairs: gholms|fail rbergeron 19:01:50 * mdomsch 19:01:56 * tdawson bows gracefully. 19:02:04 * gholms|fail lurks 19:02:19 already? 19:02:25 I know. 19:02:34 rbergeron: here 19:02:56 #topic Light Agenda for today 19:03:23 #info We can cover stuff for whoever is around - I suspect opennebula, openstack, maybe euca, maybe cloudstack? 19:03:32 #info Perhaps we can cover OpenShift as well now. :) 19:03:47 Whoo Hooo ... go OpenShift. :) 19:04:06 :) 19:05:14 ;) 19:05:19 Okay, well, shall we dance? :) 19:05:28 #topic OpenNebula 19:05:32 spstarr_work: go for it 19:05:43 we have the package ready for review 19:05:50 but im still waiting for someone to review :) 19:05:58 #info opennebula package is ready for review, but needs to have someone review it 19:06:03 spstarr_work: do you have the bz handy? 19:06:26 815001 19:06:35 Review Request: opennebula - Cloud computing tool to manage a distributed virtual data center to build private, public and hybrid IaaS clouds 19:06:45 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=815001 19:07:01 * rbergeron wonders if anyone is willing :) 19:07:33 there's some issues that need to be discussed on that review such as ssh key generation done in %post etc 19:07:46 _evil_ 19:07:57 mdomsch: how do you really feel :) 19:08:22 mdomsch, when should it be done? 19:08:30 ayoung: service startup the first time 19:08:48 when there's a halfway decent chance of there being some entropy around 19:08:55 mdomsch, so like postgres creats a database upon first startup? 19:09:08 yes; or openssh-server 19:09:13 mdomsch, +1 19:09:26 spstarr_work, does that work for you? 19:09:47 we'd need a self-distructive script then 19:09:53 it cant be done in systemd 19:10:13 unless a self-destructing unit file? 19:10:19 spstarr_work, it wouldn't 19:10:28 nah 19:10:34 look at openssh.spec 19:10:45 that bit runs only if the keyfiles don't exist already 19:10:58 good point on openssh for server keys.. 19:11:04 the only catch is 19:11:17 OpenNebula is best run with a shared $HOME directory 19:11:32 you *can* run it without NFS but then you must copy the key to each hypervisor 19:11:54 oh, these are user keys? 19:12:29 then don't do it in the package install. repeat after me. Package Install is barely more than copy files. 19:12:53 you'll undoubtedly have some database stuff to initialize too; some form of "first deploy" script. Put it there. 19:13:45 we use sqlite 19:13:48 no need :) 19:14:06 on startup it generates whats needed in .db file (unless you use MySQL but thats not default config) 19:14:26 ok, then there, look for keys, and if not present, create them 19:14:29 spstarr_work: so basically you need a review and ... that's about it? 19:14:31 OpenNebula doesnt provide any first deploy scripts upstream 19:14:39 or is this convo helping out a little bit there 19:14:39 rbergeron: then comps.xml addition and we're done. 19:14:57 the review still can happen in parallel to the ssh key part 19:15:12 spstarr_work: okay. final change deadline is monday so ... it may be realllllly tight 19:15:46 #info Final change deadline is monday - would really like to get this feature in, anyone willing to review the package? 19:15:52 If not impossible. Don't forget that your three days don't start until a testing push. 19:16:02 yeah 19:16:04 #undo 19:16:04 Removing item from minutes: 19:16:13 :( 19:16:15 #info Final change deadline is monday - would really like to get this feature in, anyone willing to review the bz? 19:16:23 Hey, we can aim high :) 19:16:30 :) 19:16:39 i just worded incorrectly 19:16:55 okay, looks like I'm moving onwards? 19:16:58 gholms|fail: it can be pushed straight to stable if it gets enough karma 19:17:05 * rbergeron spins the wheel of fate 19:17:08 #topic OpenStack 19:17:16 Touché 19:17:32 ayoung, dprince: about? 19:17:48 novnp? 19:17:52 novnc rather 19:18:06 what other projects are interested in it? 19:18:12 we know openstack. 19:18:14 novnc? 19:18:19 anyone else? 19:18:24 rbergeron, HTTP based vnc client 19:18:32 talk websockets back to the server. 19:18:47 had some indication that oVirt was interested 19:18:53 ovirt 19:19:06 qa could be interested at some point 19:19:07 yeah, they use it, i don't think anyone here comes from there - they all hang out on oftc.net though 19:19:15 I;ve been playing with guacamole more, though 19:19:28 * gregdek lurks 19:19:38 gregdek: i hear you're on the red hat board! CONGRATULATIONS 19:19:45 * rbergeron falls over laughing, again 19:20:11 :) 19:20:16 Heh 19:20:16 gregdek, gholms|fail: i assume you guys aren't looking at novnc? 19:20:23 * rbergeron looks at ke4qqq as well 19:20:26 rbergeron: Not at this point 19:21:07 tflink, is Guacamole Java? 19:21:20 ayoung: yeah, it's java 19:21:29 openstack is Javaphobic 19:21:37 lol 19:21:48 cloudstack has its own ajax-based VNC 19:21:51 I'm not a huge fan, either but it offers more features than novnc 19:22:36 (and fwiw, there are several proprietary apps just like it out there...) 19:22:40 mdomsch: you're so educated now :) 19:22:56 if only one of them supported spice 19:23:24 ayoung: i guess the question is - why do you ask? :) 19:23:29 are you looking for feedback, alternatives, ? 19:24:06 feedback. I am working on restructuring the files in the packages to get them more Fedora acceptable 19:24:35 but also to make people aware that we are working on it, to avoid duplication of effort...synergy if you will 19:24:49 #info ayoung currently working on restructure the files in novnc packages to make them more fedora-acceptable; looking for feedback, avoidance of duplication, synergy :) 19:25:03 upstream is already going with novnc, so we are going with it 19:25:10 * rbergeron nods 19:25:18 * ayoung always looking from smiles. 19:25:21 for 19:25:29 ayoung: is there a BZ for this? 19:25:38 yeah, let me dig 19:25:56 would love to give karma :) 19:27:27 ayoung: anything else openstackky to discuss today, beyond wrangling up a bz? 19:28:19 rbergeron, we're good for now....packages are in EPEL.... 19:28:39 what's the upgrade methodology for openstack in EPEL? 19:28:41 * rbergeron nods 19:28:55 e.g. for folks running diablo, now that essex packages are in 19:29:52 rbergeron: im concerned about the dadline yes... i will discuss offline in other channel. 19:30:00 mdomsch, hmmm....I'll ask. But I think the answer is a bunch of migration scripts...various databases need to be upgraded. 19:30:00 deadline 19:30:35 mdomsch: are you thinking higher-level-view than that? 19:30:39 as far as your question? 19:31:07 * rbergeron would suspect it may be more along the lines of "how long will diablo be supported in epel" 19:31:07 rbergeron: having not seen said scripts, I don't know. 19:31:15 but i could be wrong 19:31:30 no, that much is pretty clear - diablo is unsupported (and removed from the repos) as soon as essex is out 19:31:51 which, for a service provider, is a nonstarter, but is good enough to get someone started and familiar with it 19:32:32 right 19:32:40 okay 19:32:46 faiiiiiir 'nuff 19:33:16 fwiw, same is true for any cloud mgmt stack we're putting into EPEL 19:33:34 * rbergeron nods 19:34:07 okeedokee then. :) 19:34:09 moving on 19:34:12 shal we move on? 19:34:18 * mdomsch has a copule minutes of cloudstack stuff 19:34:20 ayoung: can you post the bz when you find it? 19:34:24 mdomsch: i figured :) 19:34:26 will do 19:34:29 #topic CloudStack 19:34:47 mdomsch: hi! 19:34:52 :) 19:34:58 A few of us attended the CloudStack Developer Onramp event in Santa Clara this week. rbergeron, john mark, eno, and myself 19:35:30 idea was to introduce folks to CS, how to become a developer or integrator, and begin the Apache-model governance process 19:35:33 I think ke4qqq was there too :) 19:35:39 indeed!!! 19:35:44 * rbergeron grins 19:35:53 * mdomsch thinks ke4qqq is probably still sleeping 19:36:04 mdomsch: not according to the mailing list 19:36:27 #info Several folks attended the CloudStack Dev onramp this week in santa clara 19:36:28 anyhow - it was a great couple of days. CS in an Apache Incubator project, so it needs outside contributors to join before it can graduate to a top-level project 19:36:35 #info At the amazingly beautiful citrix facility 19:36:50 there's lots of work to be done in terms of setting up governance, but the tech is quite solid 19:37:03 rbergeron, looks like I only opened something in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/993352 I'll open BZ as well. 19:37:09 #info CS is an apache incubator project, needs some outside contributors before it can graduate to a top level project 19:37:39 mdomsch: so I know that ke4qqq is still chasing down packaging and stuff for Fedora. 19:38:11 yep 19:38:27 ok, gotta go now, thanks 19:38:33 mdomsch: thanks for the report in :) 19:38:40 #topic OpenShift 19:39:08 Howdy Ho ... We finally opensourced OpenShift this week. 19:39:18 well done 19:39:24 Okay! So for those of you who missed it, OpenShift is now out in communityland for downloading and contributing, iirc it is called OpenShift Origin, which I will never remember to say. 19:39:33 Perhaps I will abbreviate it as OSO :) 19:39:49 Oh. I like that abbreviation 19:39:53 I do too :) 19:40:06 I was saying OO for a while but that's sort of like openoffie 19:40:08 office 19:40:09 anyway. 19:40:16 tdawson: so, what's the plan, man? 19:40:50 We're still stabalizing alot of things, so our main packages we don't have ready to start moving into Fedora and EPEL 19:41:19 * rbergeron nods 19:41:20 But alot of the side rubygem dependancies are moving forward. 19:41:31 is there a wiki page with packaging plans / needs / etc? 19:41:36 But they were in motion even before we opensourced everything. 19:42:01 rbergeron: Not yet. I am expecting to have that for next weeks meeting. 19:42:22 tdawson: cool :) 19:43:07 For right now you can find all the rpm's that we currently expect to move to Fedora at the download area http://mirror.openshift.com/pub/ 19:43:08 #action tdawson expecting to have a wiki page with packaging plans / needs for next week's meeting for OSO 19:43:27 http://mirror.openshift.com/pub/crankcase/ 19:43:36 #info all rpms from OSO that are expected to move to fedora are in the download area: http://mirror.openshift.com/pub/ 19:43:41 http://mirror.openshift.com/pub/crankcase/ 19:43:50 * rbergeron isn't sure if one of those was wrong 19:44:21 crankcase has all the rpm's, but you'll find the LiveCD download also at the /pub/ area. 19:44:27 * rbergeron nods 19:44:29 oh, right 19:44:35 I just got it on a USB key. 19:44:48 That is also a church key. Now that I know my terminology. 19:45:03 :) 19:45:27 Well. I got lots of demos of it this week. Nice stuff. 19:45:34 Hope to see it in fedora-land soon :) 19:45:39 anything else on that front? :) 19:45:53 tdawson: i owe you a hook-up with a sponsor. 19:45:56 And I have one for you. 19:46:00 I think that's about it. Hopefully next week I'll have the wiki up and some more of a roadmap. 19:46:35 :) cool. 19:46:44 I would appreciate a sponsor. I don't know if rubygem-mongo is worthy of being sponsored for, but if anyone else has a package, I could pick it up. 19:47:04 * rbergeron nods 19:47:27 Okay! Movvvvvving on 19:47:36 #topic Other things 19:47:43 mgoldmann: hi! I saw you wander in. 19:47:50 :) 19:47:51 I learned all about AS7 this week from lincolnthree. 19:48:04 good! I learn all the time :) 19:48:18 do, 7.1.1.FInal is un updatest-testing! 19:48:25 blah 19:48:35 mgoldmann: try again :) 19:48:42 I'm on a shitty connection, some delays while typing 19:48:49 so 19:49:09 JBoss AS 7.1.1.Final is available in updates-testing repo now 19:49:27 #info JBoss AS 7.1.1.Final is available in updates-testing repo now 19:49:54 and I'm working on adding new modules 19:50:12 I think we have 3-4 more that we had in initial push to Fedora 19:50:22 another 3 are done locally 19:50:30 so, expect a new update pretty soon 19:50:51 #info Working on adding new modules; have a few new updates fairly soon 19:50:52 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7180/jboss-as-7.1.1-2.fc17 19:50:54 cool. 19:51:21 other than this - I have now a full time help on AS7 19:51:31 another guy joined the effort 19:52:03 and again- test and report bugs :) 19:52:17 NICE! 19:52:24 does this mean more boxgrinder for you? 19:52:52 I haven't touched BG since a few months :) 19:53:01 well, more than zero :) 19:53:01 so, maybe? 19:53:07 I hope so :) 19:53:14 yah, me too 19:53:31 the development of BG is pretty slow now 19:53:44 yes, I know this :) 19:54:27 * rbergeron hugs 19:54:30 okay, anyone else? 19:54:37 :) 19:55:21 going once, going twice... 19:56:27 Okay, folks, see y'all next week. 19:56:28 :) 19:56:30 #endmeeting