01:00:00 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:00 Meeting started Wed May 16 01:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:02 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:02 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:12 #chair rbergeron nb 01:00:12 Current chairs: inode0 nb rbergeron 01:00:21 #topic Roll Call 01:00:29 * j_dulaney waves 01:00:38 * nb greets everyone enthusiastically! 01:00:38 lol 01:00:41 evening everyone 01:00:45 * nb couldn't think of anything better to say 01:01:00 * kk4ewt 01:01:11 * graphite6 is munching on some green curry and chicken 01:01:28 .fas herlo 01:01:29 herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' 01:01:38 #chair award3535 kk4ewt j_dulaney graphite6 herlo 01:01:38 Current chairs: award3535 graphite6 herlo inode0 j_dulaney kk4ewt nb rbergeron 01:01:51 good prompt crowd :) 01:02:06 #topic Announcements 01:02:30 Nominations for the elections are closed now, here are some links. 01:02:30 * nb sits in his chair 01:02:45 .table nb 01:02:45 nb is put before a table heaping with bacon and other delights. 01:02:45 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_2012_F18_nominations 01:02:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/SteeringCommittee/Nominations 01:03:09 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections/Nominations 01:03:13 * nb noms bacon and realizes he should do this in another channel not during the meating 01:03:31 Please become acquainted with the candidates and vote in the elections 01:03:55 #chair chanchito 01:03:55 Current chairs: award3535 chanchito graphite6 herlo inode0 j_dulaney kk4ewt nb rbergeron 01:04:03 any other announcements? 01:04:25 case badges should arrive at my house RSN 01:04:36 we will get to swag 01:05:33 #topic Tickets 01:05:43 hey! meetin 01:05:51 .famnaticket 11 01:05:52 inode0: #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:05:58 sorry. I was just looking at the board nominees 01:06:16 #topic #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:06:16 okay, I suck! I will do that tonight. :) 01:06:35 I can write up the story of the person who came to the booth and said, "Oh, hey, yeah, I need to ask a *technical* question." 01:06:42 As they leaned towards the male in the booth. 01:06:45 "it's a tough question." 01:06:50 * inode0 looks for a volunteer to politely ask the owner of this for something on the event page for a report :) 01:06:53 any reports on how the event faired 01:07:11 but yes, I believe Jeff was the owner. :) 01:07:16 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxFest_Northwest_%28LFNW%29_2012 01:07:24 not where they belong :) 01:07:29 Good thing he's technical, too. :) 01:07:47 rbergeron, lol i guess he didn't realize robyn knowas a lot too 01:08:03 * inode0 waits a bit longer for a volunteer 01:08:36 I asked in the ticket itself, so I'm hoping someone else might send an email directly or something 01:09:17 * inode0 will give a volunteer a nice Fedora lanyard 01:10:03 ooh! 01:10:35 tough crowd, even bribes don't work 01:10:58 I would be more than happy but I didnt attend 01:11:02 #action inode0 will try to contact LFNW people again about getting reports added to the event page 01:11:07 * inode0 didn't attend either 01:11:32 do we need to just post the information, or do we need to gather it 01:11:58 nb: i think it's just lame to assume that i wouldn't know it. i'm not exactly booth babe material in my skimpy dress looking perfect or anything. 01:11:59 * j_dulaney wasn't there 01:12:05 the event owner should gather it and put links at the bottom of the page I linked above 01:12:20 why does everything think being there matters? 01:12:22 rbergeron, thats what i was getting at, people should not be sexist and assume women don't know stuff just because they're women 01:12:42 let's open a sexism topic later please 01:12:48 ok 01:12:48 sorry 01:12:50 * rbergeron grins 01:13:02 :-) 01:13:03 i'm still amused by it, not wounded mortally or anything 01:13:09 no one can follow these meetings with too many digressions 01:13:14 * rbergeron shuts up 01:13:22 I will contact the owners and see if they need help and aide in any way I can 01:13:26 LOL 01:13:49 thanks award3535, please add that as an #action for yourself 01:14:24 #action award3535 will try to contact LFNW people again about getting reports added to the event page replacing inode0 :) 01:14:41 .famnaticket 32 01:14:42 inode0: #32 (SELF Brainstorming) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/32 01:14:45 Thanks was just typing that 01:14:57 #topic #32 (SELF Brainstorming) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/32 01:15:20 more stuff for SELF anyone? 01:15:28 buttons are coming along? 01:15:29 Ruth left a message today with two hot dog vendors. 01:15:33 Cart people. 01:15:36 And the hotel (again). 01:15:51 do we want to look at the button proofs now or during the swag discussion? 01:15:55 * inode0 thinks a dog cart will be so cool 01:15:59 award3535: would you mind shareing your room (and also do you have a room reservation) 01:16:09 We do have room for a food barrel, confirmed. 01:16:15 graphite6: yes, absolutely! 01:16:23 now is good 01:16:25 ! 01:16:44 j_dulaney: you can speak, we are informal here until someone yells at you :) 01:16:53 Okay 01:17:03 * j_dulaney hasn't done a FAMNA meeting in a while 01:17:15 and then you shut up like i do ;) 01:17:16 Anyway, I was wondering about sponsership 01:17:31 for SELF? 01:17:32 nb says room share is fine with him 01:17:36 Indeed 01:17:45 * rbergeron notes that j_dulaney did a fine job last year and even provided event reports and such 01:17:53 Room share with nb and a ride from Fayetteville 01:17:56 hey look, a suehle_ 01:17:58 sorry lost connection 01:18:02 we just need a request will a bit of information on the wiki page for the event 01:18:08 #proposal fund room for j_dulaney 01:18:09 Greyhound goes from here to Charlotte 01:18:14 +1 :) 01:18:16 so we have a record of what people are getting sponsored to do 01:18:21 I will be driving 01:18:26 award3535_, were you planning on sharing a room? 01:18:29 actually 01:18:29 please don't vote yet 01:18:35 * rbergeron will -1 that until we see it on the wiki page 01:18:40 my wife will be traveling with me 01:18:42 not because i'm cruel, but 01:19:05 award3535_, oh 01:19:14 we are so failing at this sponsorship stuff 01:19:35 no one else has anything really on the wiki 01:19:38 ? 01:19:55 I know my infomration is there 01:19:59 we just discussed what people would be doing last week 01:20:02 i set the page up and i have the table what more do you want 01:20:12 * nb has himself in the wiki budget 01:20:20 and i didnt add myself to the chart but i added that i'd help whenever 01:20:23 i am on the budget 01:20:24 I want to know I'm not paying $500 for someone to work 1 hour at the table 01:20:33 for example 01:20:38 * nb guesses he needs to note taht he is doing the ham radio tests and stuff 01:20:38 i think you know better 01:20:46 Last year I spent a right fair bit of time manning the table 01:20:54 * nb plans to be at the table most of the time 01:21:00 I think I scheduled my self for most of the day both days 01:21:03 and we spent the majority of the nite burning media 01:21:08 Red Hat wants to know and many there don't know better 01:21:16 Indeed 01:21:27 well they can read my reports afterward 01:21:48 * nb guesses he needs to make a dang blog 01:21:53 or i could email my reports 01:21:58 blog 01:21:59 Of course, I won't have to ride the greyhound if I can catch a ride with someone from Raleigh 01:22:26 reports don't have to be on blogs, but requests for funding should follow the guidelines or we are making a mockery of the process 01:22:27 what else do we need to get accomplished prior to 01:22:35 j_dulaney, how much will greyhound be? 01:22:39 are we rebelling against the sponsorship guidelines? 01:22:43 j_dulaney, and can you add yourself to wiki real quick 01:22:44 or just being lazy? 01:22:57 or are you just being arse 01:23:06 Or, if someone from Raleigh could swing through here 01:23:11 I think inode0 is trying to ensure that Red Hat continues to have an easy way to see how the money is being spent. 01:23:22 In the event that I drop dead tomorrow. 01:23:25 nb: Looks like $26 one way 01:23:38 * nb will go add himself to the table................ I had just added myself above the table 01:23:41 so 60 01:23:59 * nb suggests j_dulaney add himself to the table before meating is over 01:24:02 This is all assuming I don't move to Seattle before then 01:24:04 * inode0 excuses himself for a bit, vote on stuff while he is away 01:24:13 * j_dulaney follows nb's advice 01:24:34 I know that I am on for six hours on saturday and two on sunday 01:24:36 I guess if I room with nb, then I would only have to add Greyhound rates? 01:24:46 yep 01:25:10 award3535_, we will probably need you on sunday a lot 01:25:16 inode0: what else do you want me to add to the wiki for myself and SGS 01:25:18 award3535_, ben and i are doing ham radio tests 10-1 01:25:21 award3535_, if possible 01:25:54 that works for me, any help I can provide 01:25:56 so we will SGS award3535_ and possible j_dulaney to do table on Sunday 01:26:05 oh yeah, i forgot about jamie 01:26:08 need 01:26:33 * j_dulaney needs to see about Greyhound scheduling 01:26:48 he will definitely need to do setup and teardown 01:26:49 j_dulaney, so yeah, add yourself and then let us know 01:26:54 Like I said, if I can catch a ride with someone from Raleigh, even that won't have to happen 01:26:55 graphite6: do you want to show off the button proofs? :) 01:27:18 was just waiting for the other self stuff to get done :) 01:27:27 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/attachment/ticket/32/hotbutton_white.png 01:27:35 nb: how long are you staying? 01:27:45 j_dulaney, thurs fri sat 01:27:51 leaving sunday 01:27:52 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/attachment/ticket/32/hotbutton_green.png 01:28:05 So, you'll be at the hotel through Sat evening 01:28:12 i like the white one 01:28:25 j_dulaney, yeah, checkout sunday morning 01:28:28 graphite6: I like the white one as well. Though a blue one might be cool. 01:28:48 The text around the button's circumference will be printed on the sides of the button, not on it's face. 01:28:59 right, very nice 01:29:24 +1 hotbutton_White 01:29:29 green is better looking 01:29:33 Should we vote? 01:29:59 * inode0 suggests graphite6 take feedback and make her own decision based on that and what she thinks 01:30:32 +1 inode0 01:30:33 * rbergeron takes a look, i just lost internets 01:30:41 ok, does any one have any feedback? 01:30:48 the buttons look great to inode0 01:30:55 You know, I'll handle Greyhound if I can room with NB 01:31:01 I think the font's a little hard to read if you don't already know what it says 01:31:04 oh! he's cute 01:31:05 the white one has a bit of yellow? 01:31:28 hi ruth! 01:31:32 hi! 01:31:33 suehle_ do you think bigger or thinner font? 01:31:43 +1 green 01:31:59 I was trying to copy ianweller's relish script from the desktop background 01:32:11 huh 01:32:39 inode0: yes, there is a glow around the hotdog, that is from the orginal graphic, I could take it out 01:33:15 I think it is nice on the white background, can you see it on the green? 01:33:30 that might not be a bad idea 01:33:43 it's fun to play with this stuff. :) 01:34:03 inode0, ok, add yourself to the booth schedule thingy 01:34:06 on the green it lightens up the area around him a bit and dims the relish right beneath him a touch 01:34:36 inode0: and please add yourself as a speaker at SELF on the wiki as well 01:35:06 ianweller: we're the Beefy Miracle button mockups I made from your graphics 01:35:08 kk4ewt: link plz 01:35:10 I just added myself for most of the day on Sunday... 01:35:16 kk4ewt: I'm also speaking 01:35:34 any other feedback on the buttons? 01:35:46 I've also sent an email to the design list asking them for feedback 01:35:47 +1 green for me 01:35:57 graphite6: you did a brilliant job, that is my feedback :) 01:36:03 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2012 01:36:08 I agree 01:36:10 * j_dulaney must be a moron, but cannot find the schedule on SELF's page so he can figure out when to be at the booth 01:36:33 I'll take feedback for the next 24 hours then I'm going to finalize the proof, get final approval from y'all and order them by thursday 01:36:33 j_dulaney: they probably don't have it posted yet 01:36:42 inode0: thanks :) 01:36:48 rbergeron: yes it is 01:36:58 Anyway, I don't want to promise to be at the booth at a certain time and then not be there 01:37:02 j_dulaney: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2012#Booth 01:37:04 there is a preliminary schedule on the news page 01:37:06 http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/news/self-2012-preliminary-schedule 01:37:19 :) 01:37:23 suehle_ Thanks 01:37:33 teamwork! 01:38:15 suehle_ do you think bigger or thinner font? 01:39:01 I'll take feedback for the next 24 hours then I'm going to finalize the proof, get final approval from y'all and order them by thursday 01:39:16 Any objections to this time line? 01:39:25 nope 01:39:35 you have approval from us 01:40:00 I think we'll probably mention Beefy Miracle enough people will recognize it 01:40:29 graphite6: I +1 inode0 01:40:32 I think the sideways writing is always harder though 01:40:35 do eeet! :) 01:40:39 inode0, pm 01:40:47 herlo: lol 01:40:52 ok 01:40:58 did you think about Beefy on top and Miracle on the bottom with relish on the sides? 01:41:51 inode0: I could try it, it may look a little unbalanced though because then there is nothing on the width of the button 01:41:59 Beefy is long and tall :) 01:42:42 seems like lots of folks are loosing connections 01:42:49 dancing on the relish is good 01:43:10 * graphite6 loves relish 01:43:31 maybe beefy miracle in a smaller font but with the words together? 01:43:57 * inode0 isn't a designer 01:44:25 inode0: what details do we need to take care of WRT the food drive? 01:44:38 kick up some relish behind him near where beefy is now? 01:44:54 * rbergeron would like to make sure we have delivery of a barrel (or pick up of a barrel, if i need to rent a truck or something) squared away, know when we can pick that up and deliver it to the site, etc. 01:44:58 inode0: I was thinking of slimming the text and separating the letters a bit, that may make it more readable 01:45:16 and I'll sprinkle some more relish :) 01:45:31 * rbergeron doesn't mean to interrupt sarah but thought she was moving to feedback mode but feel free to continue 01:45:34 Okay, I'm signed up for the booth 01:45:43 ok we really need to stick to one topic at a time please 01:45:47 about the food drive we need to know if we can have room around the booth for a 2' wide, 4' tall drop off barrel?! 01:46:14 rbergeron: we can move on, I think I know what needs adjusting :) 01:46:19 inode0: yes, that is confirmed. 01:46:29 ok, I hadn't heard 01:46:39 i piped in with that earlier tonight :) it's all good 01:46:45 #info space for barrelconfirmed 01:46:46 I can make arrangements then to get that delivered to us onsite on Friday I think 01:47:11 We'll get some literature about the food pantry too 01:47:13 and then we need to just start winding up the food drive news machine, I think. 01:47:18 inode0: ooh, good call. 01:47:20 and who is picking up the food and when 01:47:38 GTswagger had said there would be an email to attendees, which I haven't seen yet, so maybe we could get a line in there about it. 01:47:44 I think between @beefymiracle and @fedora and @selinuxfest and some blog posts/mails, we can get some good word out. 01:47:46 I have a contact who is willing to pick up the food/donations at the site on Sunday 01:48:04 inode0: and barrel, i presume? 01:48:10 yes 01:48:21 ok why a barrel? 01:48:52 they offered to give us a drop off thing for people to put the food in, it is branded for their organization 01:49:00 we can take it or leave it as we wish 01:49:08 * graphite6 wants to get in the barrel and pop out like a miracle :D 01:49:20 I don't know if it is a barrel exactly 01:49:27 inode0: i like the sound of that 01:50:21 suehle_: can we see about getting on the schedule for PR for a news blog? :) 01:50:33 rbergeron: indeedy 01:50:42 or do we want to skip that if we can't get anyone internally to pony up some matching cashola 01:50:51 i think either way it's helpful 01:50:56 having some news-y tihngs 01:50:58 we can inquire and see what they say... I'm still hoping for matching 01:51:06 and even if not, it's still a good deed 01:51:16 #action suehle_ to pursue getting some red hat news piece and possibly matching monies 01:51:19 suehle_: yes! 01:51:24 they may be more inclined to speak afterwards... "Fedora got a bajillionty seven cans for the food bank!" 01:51:37 "and all i did was write this news piece!" 01:51:40 * nearly actual expected numbers 01:51:48 * j_dulaney lols 01:51:55 500 pounds of Beanie Weenies is the goal 01:52:13 you know that beanie weenies are nutritious 01:52:19 there are some contribution rules 01:52:29 inode00: oh, from the food bank? 01:52:48 yeah, I recall "no glass" and there are some high need items 01:52:52 * rbergeron nods 01:52:57 normal food bank requests 01:53:04 canned meat being one of them 01:53:10 oh! well. 01:53:14 non perishables I presume 01:53:26 I'll pass that on when I have time to dig it up 01:53:29 I think that's up our alley. :) 01:53:37 inode0: thanks for doing the connections there :) 01:53:43 F18: Vienna Sausage Miracle 01:54:19 F19: Cylindrical Can 01:54:28 Ok, anything more on SELF this week? 01:54:36 F20: Better Batter (haven't tried it? Google that up) 01:54:40 I think that's it. Though.... we only have a few weeks left. 01:54:40 Sorry! Batter Blaster. Killed my own humor. 01:55:04 #topic Open Floor 01:55:10 SWAG? 01:55:12 5 minutes for mayhem 01:55:18 good topic 01:55:19 SWAG SWAG SWAG! 01:55:25 #topic swag 01:55:31 nb: you sound like my kids when i come home from a conference :( 01:55:36 Case badges should arrive RSN 01:55:38 rbergeron, lol 01:55:43 rbergeron, i'm just a little crazy tonight 01:55:52 stickers are supposed to get here on the 21st. 01:55:55 * kk4ewt makes the motion to support j_dulaney bus ticket for $60 01:55:58 and by here i mean, not here 01:56:04 * nb thought j_dulaney was not asking for bus ticket anymore? 01:56:07 im here now :/ 01:56:08 * nb is confused 01:56:16 and did we have a motion to allow him to share room? 01:56:18 nb: I was confused 01:56:33 also, if award is not sharing a room, i think usually we ask them to pay 1/2? 01:56:38 nb i dont see where the room changes the budget 01:56:39 not sharing a room with a fedora-person i mean 01:56:42 kk4ewt, it doesn't 01:56:45 j_dulaney: if you are helping we can certainly help with that 01:56:52 nb no 01:56:58 family 01:57:16 * j_dulaney worked the booth last year, and stayed late burning media 01:57:30 kk4ewt, oh, i asked inode0 and he said he thought we'd ask him to pay half 01:57:40 since his family is not fedora people? 01:57:40 inode0: j_dulaney probable knows f17 better than all of us combined 01:57:47 but /me is confused 01:57:49 The invoice for the pens was paid on 5/14/2012. Gary Austin Advertising said the pens would be processed in approx. 3 days and then shipped out to the address on the invoice. 01:58:02 * nb is in favor of bus tickvet for j_dulaney 01:58:10 nb: I was hoping to get a ride from someone going from Raleigh 01:58:10 historically we haven't asked Fedora to pay for spouses, that is all I know 01:58:18 inode0, that's kinda what i thought 01:58:29 award3535_, ping 01:58:33 I am willing to pay half 01:58:51 inode0: if it stops i guess i better make arrangements to ship boxes from now on 01:59:03 Whoever sets up bus ticket purchase please ping me prior 01:59:11 kk4ewt, if what stops? 01:59:27 nb supporting families 01:59:35 if your spouse is helping it is different 01:59:38 your family fits in a box? 01:59:39 kk4ewt, your family generally helps with stuff too? 02:00:02 before SGS became a ambassador we all stayed in a room 02:00:13 dan408: Neither SGS nor his GF would fit in a box very well 02:00:19 my wife has been known to work the table from time to time 02:00:26 kk4ewt, i know.......... 02:00:33 thats not the point 02:00:45 kk4ewt: your situation has been an exception to the rule 02:00:53 j_dulaney: that's too bad. 02:01:15 we are paying for the room and his wife comes i do not see the requirement for him to pay half 02:01:21 and when I say rule I mean our ordinary custom 02:01:40 we normally pay for rooms for 2 fedora people to share 02:01:44 because otherwise someone else that wants to help with the booth or speak or something could share the room with him? 02:02:22 otherwise everyone would always get a single room 02:02:42 ok whatever laters 02:02:57 we get twice the bang for our fedora buck by asking people getting support to help us support others too 02:03:11 we have done that as long as I can remember 02:03:23 yup. 02:03:23 idk, lets just f****** do something 02:03:25 * j_dulaney has always room shared and has had no problem with it 02:03:27 * nb is tired of all the drama this week 02:03:32 * rbergeron hugs nb 02:03:39 #proposal award3535_ pay half of his room 02:03:42 +1 02:03:53 There's drama around me in the _real world_ 02:03:54 since he already agreed, /me doesn't think there is an issue 02:04:00 he already offered to so I don't see why there is drama 02:04:15 good thing i dont have a wife 02:04:17 I agree, i already agreed 02:04:29 okay! let's agree to move on :) 02:04:39 #agreed award3535_ will pay half of his room 02:04:44 #topic open floor 02:05:13 * j_dulaney asks if we can vote on my Greyhound ticket and roomshare with nb 02:05:23 So I feel better about it 02:05:27 :) 02:05:27 +1 02:05:32 #proposal do as j_dulaney asks (greyhound ticket and roomshare) 02:05:33 +1 02:05:34 * rbergeron +1s that 02:05:39 +1 02:05:58 * j_dulaney abstains for obvious reasons 02:06:06 * nb will not be around much after tonight until sometime saturday or sunday 02:06:10 don't break our traditions! 02:06:19 ? 02:06:23 inode0, traditions of what? lol 02:06:38 * nb is so happy to get away from work and drama and stuff for a weekend :) 02:06:47 LOL 02:06:55 #agreed bus and hotel at SELF for j_dulaney 02:06:58 graphite6: i saw you're going to a few events and started event pages, I was thining it might be cool to do a postcard or flyer with info about AS7 in Fedora since those are java-focused conferences. 02:07:01 Yay! 02:07:04 just food for thought :) 02:07:29 rbergeron: yes 02:07:33 * j_dulaney wonders who to talk to to set up tickets 02:07:41 even if they are just "leave a stack of flyers on a table" or ... i don't know if jboss is having a booth there or what 02:07:53 can you buy it and get reimbursed? 02:08:04 I have no credit card 02:08:14 that wasn't my question 02:08:28 rbergeron: I don't know yet if Jboss has a booth at Jax (there's drama there spilling over from Europe) 02:08:33 or is that required now? 02:08:40 I thought reimbursements required a card? Anyway, I don't know if I'll have the $$ 02:08:51 they require a receipt 02:08:57 Ah 02:09:06 rbergeron: Uberconf is a no booth event, but I can take materials to but in the entrance packets possibly 02:09:27 Well, if I don't have money for it to begin with, then reimbursement is moot 02:09:32 graphite6: ahhh. okay, we can maybe tackle that next week, you can put tickets in the FAMNA trac and add the meeting keyword 02:09:55 rbergeron: I also want to talk to talk about the new Cloud track at Linux NA 02:09:56 good night folks, see you next week 02:10:00 or if you have ideas for flyers we can just do it :) 02:10:03 shall we endmeeting? 02:10:08 * j_dulaney needs to remember to drop a ticket on famna for more swag 02:10:11 graphite6: linuxcon na? yeah 02:10:15 and move this talk to #fedora-ambassadors? 02:10:16 cloudopen 02:10:18 sure 02:10:19 rbergeron: yup 02:10:32 #endmeeting