15:02:28 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-06-26
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15:02:33 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
15:02:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
15:02:54 <rdieter> greetings and solutations, who's around today?
15:02:57 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:03:02 * ltinkl is here
15:03:06 * rnovacek is here
15:03:06 <rdieter> salutations even
15:03:11 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:03:41 * rdieter sent jreznik home sick, he has a note
15:03:43 <than> Present
15:04:18 <rdieter> #info rdieter ltinkl rnovacek  Kevin_Kofler than present
15:04:23 <rdieter> #chair ltinkl rnovacek  Kevin_Kofler  than
15:04:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler ltinkl rdieter rnovacek than
15:04:49 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:04:59 <rdieter> alrighty, please review https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-06-26#Agenda , anything else to add for today
15:05:01 <rdieter> ?
15:06:23 <rdieter> for lazy non-clickers, we have so far: kde-4.8.4, akonadi-mysql proposal
15:06:30 * ltinkl can't think of anything else
15:06:50 <rdieter> ok, we can do stuff at the end if something comes up
15:06:55 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.8.4
15:07:04 <ltinkl> 4.9 RC going to be tagged soon, just FYI
15:07:28 <rdieter> so, have 4.8.4 in -testing for awhile, needs more karma if we don't want to wait a little while longer
15:07:32 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: OK, I'll take care of the showremainingtime patch when it's tagged.
15:08:29 <rdieter> I added a delay introducing an attica-0.4.0 to the 4.8.4 update last week, fwiw.
15:08:58 <rdieter> requested by tomahawk upstream (and required for newer tomahawk releases)
15:09:55 <rdieter> #help test/karma kde-4.8.4 updates
15:10:00 <rdieter> anything else, wrt 4.8.4 ?
15:10:40 <rdieter> #info 4.9 RC going to be tagged soon (yay)
15:10:52 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler: it's been restored by 55c659ab876ea8f2e0b660f350bcb6a7f63d5931
15:10:54 * ltinkl shrugs
15:11:50 <rdieter> upstream enabled it?  (if so, woo!)
15:12:04 <ltinkl> ye, re-enabled, "for compatibility reasons"
15:12:23 <rdieter> cool.   moving on ...
15:12:32 <rdieter> #topic akonadi-mysql proposal
15:12:46 <rdieter> so, I sent this off for comment, http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2012-June/011626.html
15:13:06 <rdieter> spec patch: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2012-June/011627.html
15:13:46 <ltinkl> I haven't really tested it but the proposal makes sense imo
15:15:28 <than> rdieter: it looks fine, will sqlite be enable by default?
15:15:29 <rdieter> I gave it some good testing
15:15:44 <rdieter> than: it will if akonadi-mysql is not present
15:16:03 <rdieter> but the second part of the proposal was to add akonadi-mysql to comps so it does get pulled in by default
15:16:23 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't like the idea of installing a package changing defaults.
15:16:32 <rdieter> (though i still personally would rather not do it, that was the result of our last debate on the topic)
15:16:42 <Kevin_Kofler> And I think defaulting to SQLite is just no good, at all.
15:17:02 <Kevin_Kofler> Akonadi is already slow enough with MySQL!
15:17:02 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: coming from someone who hasn't actually used akonadi till yesterday. :)
15:17:26 <Kevin_Kofler> I already have to wait 2 minutes for it to bring up my mail folder, I'm not going to wait more!
15:17:32 <rdieter> it's not changing defaults mind you, akonadi-mysql will be installed by default still
15:17:55 <rnovacek> I'm +1 for the proposal
15:18:01 <Kevin_Kofler> It'll change the defaults at packaging level and rely on comps to override them.
15:18:18 <Kevin_Kofler> Plus, it means installing a package now changes the defaults.
15:18:31 <Kevin_Kofler> I vote -1, I think the current setup is fine.
15:18:54 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't see the memory use of MySQL as a problem, either.
15:18:59 <rdieter> I see no difference between an admin having to manually override /etc/xdg/akonadi/akondiserverrc or doing it more simply via a package
15:19:15 <Kevin_Kofler> It requires only around 100 MiB of RAM, Akonadi itself requires more than that!
15:19:44 <rdieter> fwiw, akonadiserver uses 10mb and akonadi_resources are usually each less than that
15:20:01 <Kevin_Kofler> The maildir resource uses more than 100 MiB even in normal use.
15:20:07 <Kevin_Kofler> (On first use, it was a lot more.)
15:20:11 <rdieter> but, let's not get distracted.  this proposal is not about mysql vs sqlite
15:20:31 <Kevin_Kofler> About what is it then? ;-)
15:20:37 <Kevin_Kofler> About soccer vs. tennis? ^^
15:20:47 <rdieter> it's about making it easier to switch (and not pull mysql into critpath)
15:21:22 <rdieter> tlane (among others) weren't too happy about that
15:22:10 <rdieter> anyway, than, what do you think , aye or nay?
15:22:27 <rdieter> I guess you already said "it looks fine" does that count as +1?
15:22:38 <than> rdieter: i'm fine with your solution
15:22:56 <rdieter> ok, I'm +1, so +4/-1, good enough?
15:23:38 <rdieter> #agreed akonadi-mysql proposal accepted (+4/-1)
15:23:55 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:23:58 <rdieter> anything else for today
15:23:59 <rdieter> ?
15:24:40 <Kevin_Kofler> So the 4.8.4 update group needs 1 more karma on F17 and 2 on F16.
15:25:32 <Kevin_Kofler> I can test it on F16.
15:25:34 <rdieter> sounds about right
15:26:06 <rdieter> oh, and I was going to pick up doing the libkolab review later today (needed by kdepim-runtime-4.9)
15:26:35 <rdieter> kanarip,cwickert had been working on that, kudos
15:28:28 <kanarip> you're welcome
15:28:39 <kanarip> ;-)
15:29:43 * rdieter will close meeting 2 min if there's nothing else
15:31:38 <rdieter> okie dokie, short meetings rock.  thanks everyone!
15:31:42 <rdieter> #endmeeting