01:00:03 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 4 01:00:03 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:05 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:14 <inode0> #topic Roll Call 01:00:25 <award3535> good evening 01:00:35 <inode0> Hi award3535 01:00:51 <award3535> evening john 01:00:56 <inode0> #chair award3535 01:00:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 inode0 01:01:08 <ianweller> hi 01:01:31 <award3535> evening ianweller 01:01:50 <inode0> ok, this might be quick 01:01:53 <inode0> #topic Announcements 01:02:00 <MarkDude> Yay 01:02:29 <inode0> So one sort of announcement just because lots of people are missing and we are a bit hamstrung as a result 01:03:00 <award3535> i figured this would be a slim meeting 01:03:08 <inode0> I'm not planning to try to sort out any budget stuff at this meeting (including OSCON and TXLF) 01:03:26 <MarkDude> Ok, fair enough. 01:03:27 <inode0> Those do need quick attention but we just can't do it tonight ... 01:03:48 <inode0> We can discuss any non-budget approval things related to their organization though 01:03:49 * MarkDude will stay in holding pattern, and see if I can do anything to help :) 01:03:49 <dramsey> :) 01:03:53 <award3535> I have not decided yet wether attend TLF 01:04:38 <inode0> So rather than do tickets I think I'll just hop around to touch on a couple of things tonight 01:04:47 <award3535> sounds good 01:04:56 <inode0> #topic Renaming FAmNA trac instance(s) 01:05:30 <inode0> FAmSCo wants to regularize ambassador tracs and asked us to consider renaming ours like they are doing elsewhere 01:05:44 <inode0> fedora-emea, fedora-apac, fedora-latam 01:05:57 <inode0> I have two observations about this 01:06:14 <inode0> (1) fedora-famna is redundant since the f in famna is Fedora 01:06:35 <MarkDude> Good point 01:06:43 <dramsey> +1 01:06:44 <inode0> (2) we have two trac instances rather than just one as in the other regions which poses another problem 01:06:47 <award3535> +1 01:06:49 <MarkDude> And not in a good way - like WINE 01:07:04 * ianweller wonders why a 'fedora-' prefix when emea, apac and latam don't necessarily mean "ambassadors" 01:07:16 * ianweller decides to not think too hard about it 01:07:23 <MarkDude> ianweller, to make /join easier? 01:07:28 <inode0> I can't explain FAmSCo's thinking 01:07:30 <MarkDude> less typing 01:07:32 <inode0> nb: ping 01:07:36 <inode0> herlo: ping 01:07:37 <ianweller> you don't /join trac? 01:07:40 <award3535> possibly 01:07:53 <award3535> I had no difficulty joining 01:07:53 <ianweller> unless i'm missing context 01:08:07 <inode0> would be handy to have a famsco member from famna here to explain this 01:08:24 <award3535> yes it would 01:08:44 * inode0 concludes it isn't that important to FAmSCo :) 01:09:07 * inode0 said he would raise it for discussion tonight though in the famsco meeting 01:09:13 <award3535> okay 01:09:22 <MarkDude> Maybe the 2nd F would not be redundant, if we pretend it is a swear word :D 01:09:29 <inode0> we could rename ours fedora-na but I think famna is more clear 01:10:05 <award3535> eitherway is fine with me 01:10:25 * inode0 moves we ignore this request and stick with what seems to be working fine 01:10:37 <MarkDude> +1 01:10:38 <dan408> hello 01:10:39 <award3535> +1 01:10:40 <dan408> still at work 01:10:43 * graphite6 sneaks in, bleary eyed, eating a taco 01:10:47 <graphite6> +1 01:10:50 <dan408> +1 01:10:56 <MarkDude> its cool dan408 its gonna be a short meeting 01:10:59 <dan408> k 01:11:02 <inode0> if someone is having a hard time finding the proper trac we could add a wiki page pointing people to them 01:11:25 * MarkDude understands that Insight will help with some of this down the road.... 01:11:25 <dramsey> +1 01:11:45 <dan408> i think we need a wiki on lattitude + longtitude 01:11:47 <inode0> Insight, also known as fedora-vapor 01:12:11 * MarkDude has seen Insight activity, by end of Summer 01:12:30 <inode0> #agreed FAmNA doesn't have much interest in changing the names of its trac instances at this time 01:13:26 <inode0> Someone toss out the next topic please ... 01:13:45 <award3535> Ambassador day, any idea of location yet 01:14:03 <inode0> #topic FADNA 2012 01:14:06 <dan408> iowa 01:14:13 <award3535> Atlanta 01:14:22 <scientes> Antartica 01:14:26 <inode0> as I've said many times please stop throwing out places 01:14:41 <inode0> unless someone does the work to make it happen there is won't 01:14:42 <dan408> Okay seriously, we suggest San Francisco but we did not discuss any organization 01:14:50 <dan408> suggested* 01:15:05 <inode0> As far as I know there has been no concrete proposal for any location yet 01:15:17 <graphite6> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 01:15:19 <dan408> There were 2 in the trac ticket 01:15:31 <award3535> that is correct 01:15:35 <inode0> those are just names of cities, I can name thousands of those 01:15:49 <dan408> right, you said you wanted logistics. 01:15:53 <ianweller> when are you hoping to have it? 01:15:54 <dan408> which nobody has proprosed. 01:16:14 <graphite6> That link is the aggregation of all the meetings about this and where people can brainstorm 01:16:25 <award3535> logistics cant happen with out location first 01:16:42 <MarkDude> dan408, if you want to take lead on SF being proposed- we can try it. Lets talk after meeting on phone 01:16:49 <inode0> ianweller: well, it would be nice if it could be this fall sort of around the time it is held in EMEA, but any time would be ok post generating an agenda and doing the logistics 01:16:51 <dan408> sure. 01:16:56 <MarkDude> Cool :) 01:17:12 * dan408 charges up phone 01:17:12 <ianweller> inode0: well, i was gonna suggest maybe doing it shouldering fudcon lawrence? 01:17:16 <ianweller> either before, after, or both 01:17:35 <ianweller> not sure if it's a good idea or not, but decided to throw it out there 01:18:01 <inode0> ianweller: we did discuss that early on, and while I'd prefer something more isolated if that works out better we can do that 01:18:24 <ianweller> yeh, i understand that 01:18:56 <dan408> ok I need to get back to work, I'm somewhat here. 01:18:56 <MarkDude> And 2 differing locations makes it more likely folks can attend one of them 01:19:14 <MarkDude> dan408, phonecall in a few hours :) 01:19:20 <dan408> nah call me at 7 01:19:25 <MarkDude> k 01:19:26 <dan408> i wanna get outta here 01:19:30 <award3535> I agree, the other coast is a little far for me 01:19:59 <award3535> 2 proposed locations 01:19:59 <MarkDude> You guys on East Coast, thats almost as far as Europe :) 01:20:06 <dan408> srs 01:20:22 <inode0> who is planning to attend is important as well in determining location 01:20:27 <award3535> europe is closer for me 01:20:36 <dan408> i'll attend depending on location. 01:20:41 <inode0> but until someone has an actual facility we aren't getting any closer to picking a location 01:20:51 <dan408> inode0: what is required? 01:20:53 * MarkDude is planning on going, and depending on how close to West Coast, more of BAMF 01:20:54 <dan408> is this on the wiki? 01:21:03 <award3535> depending on the location I plan to attend if all day traveling isnt required 01:21:40 <graphite6> dan408: are you looking for the info on the FADNA so far (from previous meetings?) 01:21:48 <dan408> no. 01:22:03 <MarkDude> It does not estimate how many folks- so I assume under 20? 01:22:03 <dan408> yeah i mean are you guys going to fly me out to say atlanta, put me up in a room, and pay for food? 01:22:04 <inode0> dan408: you need to be a good host for 10-20 people, they need a place to work, they need a place to sleep, they need a way to get around 01:22:27 <inode0> well, it may be 6-10 people depending 01:22:35 <dan408> and so, there's no money in the budget to pay for this? 01:22:49 <dan408> and why only 6-10 people? 01:23:09 <inode0> yes, there is money in the budget for this if "this" justifies spending the money it ends up costing :) 01:23:12 <award3535> in atlanta I would only ask for 50% of the room and no travel costs 01:23:20 <MarkDude> Ok, givers me enough to ponder it- altho I think Silicon Valley may be better than say SF- I can have some details checked out- Ryan Singer brings with him- space at Standford- 01:23:25 <dan408> that's reassuring to hear. 01:23:50 <MarkDude> We have space theere- so dan408 and I will shut up now- and see what we can figure if travel works for that, etc 01:24:04 <dan408> yep 01:24:08 <dan408> +1 MarkDude 01:24:11 <inode0> universities are nice because they normally will provide free space for this sort of work with nice network capabilites 01:24:21 <dan408> Stanford 01:24:28 <inode0> other sites have been used in the past, anything that works works 01:25:02 <award3535> lets not forget about us east coast guys 01:25:12 * inode0 isn't sure we can make any more progress on this tonight 01:25:22 <dan408> inode0: please define any other requirements and information and MarkDude and I will come with a serious proposal by next week. 01:25:48 <award3535> yes please let us know what you want 01:26:03 <scientes> stanford is a very nice location 01:26:20 <dan408> +1 scientes 01:26:27 <inode0> There is a ticket open, I have provided a link detailing the last FADNA twice at least, what more do you need? 01:26:49 <graphite6> and I've set up the new link with the template that lays out the planning steps 01:27:04 <graphite6> I posted it earlier, above :) 01:27:24 <inode0> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2010 01:27:33 <graphite6> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 01:27:53 <graphite6> the 2012 link is where the new stuff can go 01:28:04 <dan408> okay if that's all you need let's move on. 01:28:53 <inode0> what are we doing? who is going to do it? where and when are they going to do it? 01:30:01 <inode0> ok, next topic? 01:30:21 <MarkDude> +1 01:30:32 <ianweller> inode0: do you know of any updates on ticket 37 01:31:04 <inode0> .famnaticket 37 01:31:08 <zodbot> inode0: #37 (Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/37 01:31:20 <inode0> #topic Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events 01:31:51 <inode0> Any response to your request for stuff? 01:31:56 <ianweller> not yet. 01:32:06 <inode0> Did you ping legal btw? 01:32:19 <ianweller> oh, no, not yet, i should probably write spot an email. 01:32:40 <inode0> We just need to be careful about clearly stating any restrictions that may apply. 01:32:46 <ianweller> yeah 01:32:54 <award3535> ! 01:34:16 <inode0> well, change the owner of the ticket if you are tired of waiting to someone else 01:34:16 * inode0 doesn't know who it is now, but sometimes people are just too busy to watch 01:34:28 <ianweller> it's nb 01:34:38 <ianweller> maybe i'll just fire an email cannon at him 01:34:41 <inode0> try Ben 01:35:17 <ianweller> award3535: did you have something? 01:35:33 * ianweller doesn't think this meeting follows protocols 01:35:40 <award3535> nope the dog just bumped me 01:35:45 <inode0> haha 01:35:46 <ianweller> oh lol. 01:36:02 <ianweller> okay, well, i've got nothin' more 01:36:12 <dramsey> lol 01:36:15 <MarkDude> EOF 01:36:27 <inode0> ok, since I'm tired of changing topics now let's do this 01:36:34 <inode0> #topic Open Floor 01:37:31 <inode0> I will mention that TXLF is in about a month and we aren't very far along in planning - so I'm guessing our presence won't be the usual booth there 01:37:54 <inode0> Although it might, we possibly can share space with one of our sponsors 01:38:40 <inode0> graphite6: anything we need to do to help with your event coming up? 01:38:50 <award3535> Depending on where the FAMDay is located, that is why I am trying to figure out either TX 01:39:08 <award3535> or Atlanta/SF 01:39:34 <MarkDude> graphite6, will be near us in SF soon I heard 01:39:36 <award3535> I can travel to TX if need be 01:39:42 <graphite6> inode0: nope, the AS7 on Fedora flyers were printed for the summit and I took home half the extras and the east coast event box has the rest now :) 01:40:12 <inode0> she said that word again 01:40:21 <graphite6> MarkDude: I will, Sunday - Friday then driving to Portland for CLS, then a few days at oscon 01:40:43 <graphite6> uh oh, what word :P 01:41:16 <graphite6> But as for JAX San Fran, I'm good 01:41:17 <MarkDude> Oh cool. I did not know you were gonna be doing CLS too 01:41:31 <inode0> well, this was an off the cuff meeting, sorry it was so disorganized 01:41:41 * MarkDude will see you in Stumptown 01:41:41 <inode0> Next Tuesday we'll have our act back together 01:41:46 <MarkDude> (portland) 01:42:12 <graphite6> Oh! And for JAX it is Javaesq community night on Monday, open for the public if you register, I sent an email to the ambassador list today about it or check the wiki page 01:42:20 <award3535> inode0 I can man the booth at TLF if no one else can 01:42:47 <graphite6> that would be Java-ish :), there will be a Debian ARM demo that night :D 01:42:52 <inode0> award3535: let's talk outside the meeting, we have a few interested people in at least helping 01:42:55 <graphite6> Just an FYI, I've got over 1500 pictures of Fedora stuff from the summit as well as videos of the booth talks and ARM demo, I'm heavily curating them and then will release them into the wild :) 01:43:33 <award3535> Inode0 rggr 01:43:50 * inode0 is frustrated that he can't even tell what happens at TXLF on Friday at this point 01:43:55 <graphite6> And I'll be photographing and recording JAX, CLS, and Oscon events too...(and filling up another tera drive, lol) 01:44:42 <graphite6> MarkDude: can't wait! 01:45:07 <MarkDude> Cool, more pics. We can always use them 01:45:17 <inode0> MarkDude: anything else we can help with tonight for CLS/OSCON 01:45:47 <MarkDude> Not really, I just talked to Nixie, she is emailing me her plans for videos for OSCON 01:46:33 <inode0> ok 01:46:33 * MarkDude will see if there is any word from FFPL, tomorrow- and if not- I will take the logs from last week, and trim them down, and see if we can get her a brief email on it 01:46:53 <MarkDude> Make it easier to review. 01:47:26 * MarkDude is planning on going either way, if bigger budget is not approved, and just stay in a room, 01:47:30 <inode0> does anyone here happen to know when rbergeron will be back in our circle of victims? 01:48:10 * MarkDude assumes it will be tho- its a good investment to have additional promoters of Linux do some high visibility stuff 01:48:13 <MarkDude> EOF :) 01:48:22 <graphite6> only know she went on vacay, not sure for how long though 01:48:35 * SGS checks in 01:48:47 <inode0> this isn't the vacation involving water is it? 01:49:37 <graphite6> I don't know :D (but I wish I was going to a vacation with some sand and surf) 01:49:56 <kk4ewt> ianweller: i expect nb is waiting for all stuff to ome in 01:50:18 <kk4ewt> come in 01:50:30 <ianweller> kk4ewt: ok 01:50:46 <ianweller> i'll ping him when i see him next and ask, at least 01:50:58 <kk4ewt> i just got media in this past week 01:50:58 <award3535> evening kk4ewt 01:51:02 <kk4ewt> hello 01:51:28 <inode0> hi kk4ewt, anything on your mind tonight before we stop? 01:51:31 <graphite6> oh, about swag, do we know where the 1500 fedora buttons went? there weren't any in the event box at the summit, and it is completely cleared out of stickers and everything 01:53:47 * inode0 assumes SGS or kk4ewt might know if they weren't in the event box?! 01:54:11 <SGS> . . . 01:54:23 <SGS> ... You know, they might be in a bag. 01:54:34 <SGS> A bag sitting in our trunk that I meant to have put back in the event box. . . 01:54:47 <SGS> I'll be right back . . . 01:55:08 <dan408> alright y'all 01:55:10 <dan408> im outta here 01:55:12 <dan408> have a good day 01:55:16 <dramsey> :) Sending a Happy Independence Day to you all! :) 01:55:17 <dan408> MarkDude please call me 01:55:28 <graphite6> dan408: night! 01:55:37 <dramsey> Double Double dan408 01:55:40 <dan408> night! 01:56:09 <graphite6> I meant good night, wasn't yelling :D fingers are sticky, lol 01:56:22 <MarkDude> message me if you have any suggestions on OSCON 01:56:29 <inode0> blame the dog, that seems to work 01:56:38 <award3535> LOL 01:56:44 <MarkDude> graphite6, are you on OSCON wiki page- and is your funding covered? 01:56:51 <award3535> shes only a 100lb golden retriver 01:57:27 <SGS> ok 01:57:28 <SGS> Found it 01:57:30 <SGS> It's here 01:57:33 <inode0> woohoo 01:57:43 <SGS> Sitting in my view 01:57:47 <inode0> I call this a productive meeting now :) 01:57:51 <SGS> No lost swag, just misplaced, sorry graphite6 !! 01:57:54 <SGS> My bad! 01:58:02 <graphite6> MarkDude: ah, not yet, and I may just need half a plane ticket covered, JAX is covering the other half, and jboss the hotel room (yup, budget maze, lol) 01:58:13 <inode0> hey, those enterprise people got plenty of stuff anyway :) 01:59:05 <graphite6> SGS: yeah swag! and I didn't think it was lost, but the box will need to be resupplied with just about everything (there are beefy buttons and beefy stickers left) 01:59:24 * inode0 wants beefy buttons 01:59:36 <inode0> I shamefully lost one 01:59:46 <inode0> and I wonder what whoever found it thought 01:59:56 <ianweller> inode0: ah, the wonderful problem with inside jokes 02:00:25 <kk4ewt> graphite6: the box always needs resupplied after each event 02:00:28 <inode0> I bet they smiled 02:00:31 <graphite6> inode0: I can send you one :) but sorry I couldn't find a baseball, I do have pics from the Fenway press box though 02:00:58 <kk4ewt> graphite6: hopefully the event box is on the way back home 02:01:02 <graphite6> kk4ewt: gotcha, I was just shocked at the pillaging, we were pretty much out after the first day 02:01:16 <inode0> alrighty, sorry again for the disorganized meeting tonight 02:01:33 <inode0> thanks for coming and continuing to plug away 02:01:34 <award3535> gotta go, everyone have a happy and safe 4th 02:01:45 <inode0> #endmeeting