15:00:24 #startmeeting fedora-qa 15:00:24 Meeting started Mon Jul 30 15:00:24 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:31 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:31 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:47 #topic roll call 15:00:58 * mkrizek is here 15:01:01 who's around for the meetin? 15:01:23 * pschindl is here 15:01:26 * jskladan is here 15:01:27 * akshayvyas is here 15:01:32 * spoore is here 15:01:33 * nirik is lurking 15:01:56 * tflink is here 15:02:09 * satellit listening 15:02:56 * kparal rises from the grave 15:03:12 * adamw shoots zombie kparal 15:03:14 .fire kparal 15:03:15 adamw fires kparal 15:03:29 * garretraziel is here 15:03:56 * kparal sews up the wound 15:04:01 alrighty, thanks for coming folks 15:04:03 hi dlehman 15:04:07 ^^ our new intern (garretraziel) 15:04:14 i didn't know zombies could sew 15:04:20 ahhhh, fresh intern meat! 15:04:24 Hi all! 15:04:30 he's an advanced type of zombie, I guess 15:04:39 * tflink is glad to be half a world away at the moment :) 15:04:51 distance is no protection against a czech zombie 15:05:20 sounds like it's time to start serious anti-zombie training, then 15:05:22 zombie self-healing mechanisms - a needle and a thread 15:05:45 #topic Fedora 18 preparation / newUI status 15:05:56 alright, so this is kind of a lazy f18 catch-all topic 15:06:45 for anyone who isn't aware - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-quality-tasks.html is one week behind 15:06:54 so add one week to all those dates when looking at it, until that gets fixed 15:07:34 so right now, we should be getting RATS results 15:08:21 adamw: the automated RATS won't work w/o serial, though 15:08:25 twu was going to run the RATS runs, but he's been off work for a few days, so we'll try and catch up on those this week. however, the results aren't going to be terribly relevant until newui merges 15:08:32 tflink: newui isn't merged yet, so not technically a problem 15:09:14 is there a whole lot of point in running RATS against pre-newui? 15:09:25 yeah, i'm not sure. it may point up repoclosure issues, i guess. 15:10:30 we should start crankin' on TCs in a week or so. 15:10:51 * nirik really wishes he knew how lives were looking... both space and working wise. 15:11:15 yeah, i'm thinking about that too. we could always throw together some test images with livecd-creator, just to see where things are. 15:12:08 #action adamw to do some test runs of f18 live image composes to see what problems lurk 15:12:21 any other thoughts on f18 prep? anyone worried about anything we're not covering? 15:12:25 is livemedia-creator working ATM? 15:12:32 not sure. 15:12:33 * tflink had heard that it wasn't really working yet 15:12:39 it also needs some changes to ks files. 15:12:53 adamw: you might want to talk to bcl about that -- he's sent a patch set that makes lorax work with livemedia-creator 15:12:57 are we still going forward with replacing livecd-creator with livemedia-creator? 15:13:09 last i heard we were, but the lack of status info does seem worrying 15:13:21 yeah, I think that was still the plan. 15:13:31 dgilmore still needs to teach koji to use it too. ;( 15:13:41 bcl: what's the story on livemedia-creator status? if you're around 15:15:02 i guess he's not! 15:15:12 still, the good news is livecd-creator is always around to use as a backup if necessary 15:15:45 the live's in koji aren't working... not sure what change caused the breakage tho 15:15:55 he was around just a minute ago 15:16:01 adamw: he made a live image using newui on friday and had it booting 15:16:04 yeah, we saw that the error messages are rather unusual, iirc 15:17:02 dlehman: ah, that's good news. 15:17:09 adamw: I got lmc working friday, making a f17 live with newui. 15:17:19 dlehman: do you know which tool he used to make it? 15:17:41 * tflink is a little slow 15:17:47 bcl: does it look like we should be able to use it for alpha? nirik, is there anything else you'd need? 15:17:52 tflink: left your mind on vacation, huh :) 15:18:13 well, koji support would be nice, but thats on dgilmore I think. 15:18:18 should be able to, other than the ususaly rawhide annoyances. 15:18:18 adamw: you're assuming that my mind has ever _not_ been on vacation :-D 15:18:49 =) 15:19:00 #info bcl says livemedia-creator ought to be ready for usage for the alpha compose 15:19:02 note that I used virt, I'm looking at novirt mode this week. 15:19:24 we can use 'by hand' construction for alpha, i think, so that shouldn't be an issue 15:19:32 afaik 15:20:23 * cpuobsessed woke up from his nap 15:20:32 * adamw blows fanfare 15:20:44 alrighty, so, the big topic in this area: newui readiness 15:21:27 unfortunately clumens isn't around, but i think dlehman can give us a general summary of stuff that won't / may not be working for f18, alpha and final? 15:22:18 apparently text mode will make it in after all and may even make it for alpha, last i heard. 15:22:53 probably so. 15:23:14 kickstart is working pretty well. most of the recent work on newui is around custom partitioning. 15:23:42 the other big ticket item i think was rescue mode 15:23:51 rescue may not make it, we've talked about moving that to dracut which really can do most of the things you'd want from a rescue. 15:23:59 we talked about that a bit and one conclusion is rescue mode doesn't actually do a whole lot besides mount system partitions for you 15:24:21 right. 15:24:32 mount stuff and give you a shell with useful tools. 15:25:00 right, and dracut does the 'shell with useful tools' stuff 15:25:10 we'll still be using firstboot, the user customization stuff won't make it into f18. 15:25:43 wait, you mean the 'initial experience' feature? 15:26:22 I don't know who is calling which what these days :) but we have plans for firstboot-like customization while installing packages. 15:26:44 oh. i'm talking about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/InitialExperience , which may be something different 15:26:52 totally different. 15:26:54 a desktop team feature for a gnome-specific firstboot replacement, is what it looks like to me. 15:27:49 okay. so we may not be using firstboot, but it won't be your fault =) 15:27:52 yes, totally different. 15:28:11 so are we aware of any other big ticket anaconda bits which aren't going to be in place? 15:28:24 well, firstboot isn't gnome specific so I expect we'll still use it. 15:28:40 right, for non-gnome desktops. anyhoo. 15:28:43 I'm not sure about advanced storage. 15:29:16 iSCSI / fibre channel etc? 15:30:19 my understanding is that will be iBFT only -- no interactive configuration of those devices 15:31:02 that was mentioned on the feature page, so obviously fesco's okay with it 15:31:57 so if we're really only missing rescue mode, i guess that's pretty good news 15:32:03 how's the merge-to-rawhide schedule looking? 15:32:16 wednesday. 15:32:31 well that's nice and specific. awesome. 15:32:38 anyone from qa side have concerns remaining about newUI? 15:35:18 * nirik likes the idea of moving rescue to dracut 15:35:58 oh, with the new text mode, will serial console also be working? 15:37:27 dlehman: ^^ 15:37:48 I _think_ that's safe to assume 15:37:49 should be 15:38:21 we're certainly doing the text mode work with full awareness of serial console and dumb terminal limitations 15:38:25 cool. 15:38:38 of course the ui will be different so we'll presumably have to adjust scripted things, but that shouldn't be a terrible problem 15:39:46 #info newUI is scheduled to merge to master on wednesday, text mode support should make it in, possibly for alpha 15:40:05 #info rescue mode will likely not make it, but dracut can be used as a replacement 15:40:22 alrighty, any more f18 concerns before we move on? 15:42:39 okey dokey, thanks anaconda folks 15:42:41 #topic AutoQA update 15:42:48 tflink: kparal: any zombie news? 15:43:01 you tell me 15:43:13 nothing from me 15:43:39 you're all fired 15:43:58 this here is a LIVING PEOPLE shop, we don't want your kind 15:44:22 and here I thought that tolerance/acceptance was important to us :) 15:44:50 oh, sure, all this modern 'politically correct' 'differently living' nonsense 15:44:56 well i ain't having any of it! 15:45:27 alright, then 15:45:44 #info no major AutoQA news, autoQA team is fired for excessive zombies 15:45:49 #topic open floor 15:45:53 any other business, anyone? 15:47:06 worries, concerns, questions about appropriate zombie disposal - we've got it all 15:49:34 man, it's almost like you people aren't excited by bureaucratic processes AT ALL 15:50:19 * tflink has already been fired due to claims of being a zombie, not sure what you're expecting 15:50:35 you could file a grievance 15:51:14 that sounds like too much work - kind of like counting the number of times I've been fired 15:51:28 and yet here you still are 15:52:09 alrighty, well, if that's all, guess we can all get back to our pinterest kitten collections 15:52:11 WORK. i meant work. 15:52:52 thanks for coming, folks 15:53:00 *thumbs up* for kittens! 15:53:27 #endmeeting