15:01:23 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-08-28
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15:02:54 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:03:01 <jreznik> #topic roll call
15:03:06 * rnovacek is here
15:03:19 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:03:22 <rdieter> yo
15:03:35 * ltinkl is here
15:03:52 <jreznik> #chair rnovacek Kevin_Kofler rdieter ltinkl
15:03:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek
15:04:08 <jreznik> #info Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek present
15:04:24 * jreznik has to leave earlier to not miss the closest post office...
15:04:42 <jreznik> #topic Agenda
15:05:37 <jreznik> any topic?
15:05:46 <jreznik> alpha blockers?
15:06:45 <rdieter> bz seems  slow, taking awhile to load, but sure blockers
15:07:03 <Kevin_Kofler> Are there still open ones?
15:07:12 <rdieter> not sure if there's any open/actionable ones for us
15:07:24 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd have hoped we'd be ready for Alpha by now. :-(
15:07:58 <jreznik> #topic Alpha blockers
15:08:00 <rdieter> i'm more than a little nervous, but there's little we can do
15:08:15 <rdieter> I can't load bz at the moment, getting  proxy errors
15:08:31 <jreznik> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
15:08:58 <rdieter> yeah,  mostly anaconda fun
15:08:58 <jreznik> bugzilla is down...
15:09:08 <jreznik> there's 852403 	Updates 	selinux-policy 	NEW 	using kdesu in Fedora 18 Alpha TC3 results into selinux denial
15:09:42 <jreznik> rdieter: yep, because it's hard to test anything else when it's hard to install it....
15:09:47 <Kevin_Kofler> Ugh, that's very bad indeed, but it's a selinux-policy bug.
15:10:17 <rdieter> I don't think we have any critical functionality relying on kdesu, so yeah
15:10:27 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: And it's hard to test installation when the compose fails!
15:10:40 <Kevin_Kofler> We had no nightly live composes for weeks!
15:10:45 <Kevin_Kofler> They all failed.
15:10:56 <jreznik> oh, and without bz it does not have sense to talk about kde blockers...
15:11:35 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: that's something I'd like to take a look... as we do not have alpha and there's big chance of another slip - we need composes for Test Days
15:11:37 <rdieter> I  guess we still  haven't deployed any presets file for  kdm
15:11:49 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: There's none on QA's list, in any case (other than the selinux-policy one which the SELinux folks will need to fix).
15:11:59 <rdieter> I'm  still  not entirely sure that way of doing it will work  (well)
15:12:36 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: We can deploy a preset to /etc from the live kickstart.
15:12:42 * nirik also would like to know how best to do presets for Xfce. ;( Seperate package? subpackage of existing? only in kickstart?
15:12:43 <Kevin_Kofler> Not sure it's worth doing it for Alpha.
15:12:58 <rdieter> nirik: unclear. :(
15:13:05 <Kevin_Kofler> Might be better to wait until post-Alpha, i.e. Beta.
15:13:15 <Kevin_Kofler> There's enough of a mess for Alpha already.
15:13:17 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: of course that only works for live installs, not DVD (or  network/kickstart)
15:13:28 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: The existing solution was the same.
15:13:38 <Kevin_Kofler> We wrote to /etc/sysconfig/desktop from the live kickstart.
15:13:48 <Kevin_Kofler> The only thing that changes is the syntax.
15:13:55 <rdieter> *and* stuff just-worked if kdm  was the only DM installed.  not the case now
15:14:14 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, that part is a systemd bug or a bug in the preset.
15:14:27 <rdieter> heh, not our problem? :)
15:14:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Not something we should have to fix. :-/
15:14:36 <Kevin_Kofler> (or work around)
15:14:47 <Kevin_Kofler> If you have only one DM, it needs to fire up that one, or it's broken.
15:15:10 <rdieter> so, in a perfect world, I'd have  some form of f18 live image to  play with so  I could see how things work
15:15:38 <Kevin_Kofler> That said, do we have any reports of KDM not starting up on F18? I don't think we have any…
15:15:53 * rdieter will  spend some time today trying  to get a f18 virtual machine up and running I  guess
15:15:58 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd say do nothing until we actually have a concrete issue to fix, at least for Alpha.
15:16:03 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: yes, nucleo opened a bug
15:16:11 <Kevin_Kofler> We can try doing a preset once we can test it.
15:16:12 <jreznik> dvratil_: you were testing tc3 ^^^
15:16:56 <dvratil_> yes, KDM did not start automatically for me
15:16:58 * jaysonr will try to get a F18 VM up as well
15:16:59 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Ah right, but nucleo's bug is not against our components. I still think it's not our job to fix this.
15:17:16 <Kevin_Kofler> And it might be already fixed.
15:17:19 <dvratil_> starting kdm.service and graphical.target fixed it
15:17:22 <Kevin_Kofler> Or it might affect only upgrades.
15:17:27 <Kevin_Kofler> Upgrades are not critical for Alpha.
15:17:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Only for Beta/Final.
15:17:38 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yep
15:17:52 <rdieter> systemd is  supposed  to grok /etc/sysconfig/desktop on upgrade case, and do the  right thing
15:18:25 <rdieter> in it's %posttrans scriptlet or something
15:18:28 <jreznik> rdieter: can I ask you to lead the meeting? I have to leave now, I'll be online watching it from phone... sorry...
15:18:30 <Kevin_Kofler> Now, KDM on fresh installs IS critical, so if that also doesn't work, it needs to be nominated as an Alpha blocker immediately.
15:18:33 <rdieter> jreznikok
15:18:54 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yep
15:19:09 <Kevin_Kofler> And KDM not working on upgrades, if that's still the case, needs to be nominated for Beta blocker and probably for Alpha NTH.
15:19:34 <jreznik> it's more Beta
15:20:40 <rdieter> so, I don't think there's much more to discuss here, other than encourage everyone to try to get a f18 install up and running (by whatever method),  and help debug/fix stuff as much as possible.  not much  point in speculating endlessly here and now
15:20:53 <Kevin_Kofler> The bazillion (non-KDE-related) Alpha blockers is scary in any case, I wonder if that's going to be releasable any time soon. :-/
15:21:00 <dvratil_> part_list = display->priv->part_list;
15:21:02 <dvratil_> part_list = display->priv->part_list;
15:21:03 <dvratil_> if (!part_list) {
15:21:05 <dvratil_> e_web_view_clear (E_WEB_VIEW (display));
15:21:06 <dvratil_> return FALSE;
15:21:08 <dvratil_> }
15:21:09 <dvratil_> uri = e_mail_part_build_uri (
15:21:11 <dvratil_> part_list->folder, part_list->message_uid,
15:21:12 <dvratil_> "mode", G_TYPE_INT, display->priv->mode,
15:21:14 <dvratil_> "headers_collapsable", G_TYPE_BOOLEAN, display->priv->headers_collapsable,
15:21:15 <dvratil_> "headers_collapsed", G_TYPE_BOOLEAN, display->priv->headers_collapsed,
15:21:17 <dvratil_> NULL);
15:21:18 <dvratil_> e_web_view_load_uri (E_WEB_VIEW (display), uri);
15:21:20 <dvratil_> g_free (uri);
15:21:21 <dvratil_> sorry, stupid clipboard!
15:21:24 <dvratil_> I wanted to say that you need to add user to admin group in firstboot
15:21:40 <dvratil_> or you won't be able to start KDM (no sudo, no root passwd)
15:21:54 <rdieter> ok
15:22:58 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:23:26 <Kevin_Kofler> So do we have any live image composes now? Or are they still all messed up?
15:23:32 <rdieter> just fyi, I  worked on ktp-0.5.0 updates last night for f17/f18, queue'd for -testing, in  kde-testing now
15:23:34 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd really like to know where we are size-wise.
15:23:45 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: no live images I'm aware of
15:24:01 <nirik> Kevin_Kofler: there are not any. There's still wrangling going on about livecd-tools vs livemedia-creator. ;(
15:24:20 <rdieter> nirik: switching this late for that is scary too
15:24:38 <rdieter> considering we slipped a week already
15:24:55 <nirik> yes, but livecd-tools also has had no work for f18 stuff... secure boot, etc.
15:25:06 <rdieter> <nod>,  fun
15:25:24 <jreznik_n9> nirik, any eta?
15:25:35 <nirik> and livemeda-creator won't work easily in koji (or perhaps at all).
15:25:51 <Kevin_Kofler> nirik: So Restricted Boot should be dropped for F18 along with livemedia-creator…
15:25:51 <nirik> so, I guess we just need to get anaconda and rel-eng folks together to hash it out.
15:26:11 <Kevin_Kofler> Nobody wants Restricted Boot anyway!
15:26:34 <nirik> that was just an example, there are other f18 features.
15:26:43 <nirik> grub2 support, efi booting...
15:26:47 <rdieter> nirik: since I have your ear, I'd meant to ask you about switching how kde spin is composed, to switch from using fedora-livecd-kde.ks to fedora-live-kde.ks (ie, we've officially decided not to limit ourselves to cd size anymore).
15:27:17 <nirik> rdieter: cool. Would need to let dgilmore know. I suppose it depends on how they are created. ;)
15:27:17 <rdieter> and target 800-900mb size range instead,  +/- whatever
15:27:20 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Uh, I thought we still want to have 2 versions?
15:27:28 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: no
15:27:48 <Kevin_Kofler> fedora-live-kde.ks is much more than 800 MiB.
15:27:49 <rdieter> the proposal I made was to make the default spin size bigger,  but still  offer a livecd kickstart
15:27:52 <Kevin_Kofler> It's more than 1 GiB even.
15:28:07 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: sure
15:28:17 <rdieter> i'll  fix it once live images get composing again
15:28:53 <rdieter> nirik: ok, I'll  talk to dgilmore
15:29:12 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: though, given that, perhaps the switch over may well better happen *after* live image composes are working again.  point taken
15:29:59 <Kevin_Kofler> Yes, I'd rather adjust sizes first and then switch.
15:30:10 <rdieter> ok, agreed
15:32:39 <rdieter> and, I queue'd up rekonq-1.1 updates this morning.  it's pretty nice, fixed a few irritations over 1.0,  so I felt more confidence to push back  to  f16/f17 too (updating from older  0.9.2)
15:33:47 <rdieter> anything else for today?
15:34:20 <jreznik_n9> nothing from me...
15:36:48 * Kevin_Kofler can't think of anything either.
15:37:18 <rdieter> ok, let's wrap up then, thanks!
15:37:21 <rdieter> #endmeeting