19:01:35 <suehle1> #startmeeting
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19:01:58 <rbergeron> MEETIN
19:01:58 <suehle1> #meetingname Fedora Marketing
19:01:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing'
19:02:03 <suehle1> #topic roll call
19:02:06 * jnalley is here
19:02:12 * rbergeron is here-ish
19:02:25 * suehle1 orders her computer to stay connected through this meeting for once
19:02:36 * rbergeron will also be in the other meeting (fudcon)
19:02:55 <rbergeron> and the other one (go/no-go)
19:03:15 <rbergeron> though fudcon may actually be in an hour ;) anyway
19:03:30 <suehle1> I've lost a week. I was trying to figure out why I couldn't find the minutes from 9/13.
19:03:34 <suehle1> I guess that means I gained a week.
19:03:50 <suehle1> #topic Press tracking
19:03:53 * graphite6 is here
19:04:02 <suehle1> jbrooks didn't say he was here, but I thought if I asked if anything was new, he might appear. :)
19:04:19 * suehle1 casts the summon jbrooks_ spell
19:04:19 <rbergeron> does he highlight on "new" or something? lol
19:04:25 <suehle1> That's what happened last time
19:04:45 <suehle1> Spell cast, we'll come back if he comes.
19:04:55 <rbergeron> mmhmm
19:04:58 <suehle1> #topic Fedora Weekly News
19:05:18 <suehle1> We've pretty much pounded this on the mailing list, but I figured that meant it was worth discussing. Should have invited the news people.
19:05:31 <rbergeron> yeah, i have a few things for this topic, i suppose
19:05:35 <suehle1> Go rbergeron!
19:05:45 <rbergeron> LOL
19:05:54 <rbergeron> okay
19:05:57 * graphite6 gets out her pom poms
19:06:03 * rbergeron shoves the pizza in her mouth and tries to swallow
19:06:10 <rbergeron> so: i like the under the brim name.
19:06:20 <rbergeron> I do wonder if (a) we need to not be so ambitious and just go to monthly.
19:06:40 <suehle1> Is that too seldom? Would two weeks be a good compromise?
19:06:45 <suehle1> Or is there just not enough to say?
19:06:52 <rbergeron> (b) if we can bring in some new content, or figure out new methodologies for content.
19:06:55 <suehle1> I like the suggestion that it be more general than news, like maybe there's a tips and tricks section.
19:07:04 <rbergeron> well, here's the thing: it depends on what the audience is, right?
19:07:07 * jbrooks_ is here, late
19:07:08 <suehle1> right
19:07:28 <rbergeron> becuase right now it's mooooooostly been "wtf is going on in fedora-contributor-land" and a bit of outreach / news beyond that
19:07:57 <rbergeron> which is helpful for us, but not necessarily something that totally gets others pupmped up and wanting to immediatley tattoo fedora on their arm
19:08:01 <suehle1> We should probably get off-list, off-this-meeting, with all the right people who want to do it and have a meeting just for regrouping how FWN works
19:08:02 <rbergeron> (which is totally the goal, right??)
19:08:15 <rbergeron> The other thing is the whole Fedora Insight project
19:08:21 * suehle1 looks for rbergeron's tattoo
19:08:28 <jbrooks_> I always read FWN to find out about what was happening in the project
19:08:39 <rbergeron> which has been going on FOR EVER - but the goal of that in the first place was to help change that workflow - and to get some of that content into a portal.
19:08:42 <suehle1> See, the summon spell worked :)
19:08:48 <graphite6> I check it out about once a month
19:08:54 <rbergeron> "portal"... god, i hate that word.
19:09:13 <suehle1> Good game, though...
19:09:22 <rbergeron> but what they've been doing lately, i have no idea. but i am not kidding when i tell you that project has been ongoing since 2009.
19:09:29 <suehle1> Insight?
19:09:39 * graphite6 doesn't know what Insight is
19:09:43 <rbergeron> so it might be a good point to group marketing and the insignt folks on the logistics ist and the FWN folks
19:09:46 <rbergeron> EXACTLY!
19:10:06 <rbergeron> So maybe someone should ask on the marketing list for someone to explain what this Insight thing is.
19:10:17 <rbergeron> I tihnhk that stickster would probably be able to give a very nice explanation.
19:10:23 <suehle1> #action suehle Group up mktg, news, and Insight and figure out how we're all going to work together for the greater good of goodness
19:10:33 <graphite6> +1
19:10:36 <rbergeron> Since he's been working with some of the other awesome peeps (peter borsa, etc)
19:10:49 <rbergeron> to do drupal packaging, drupal modeule packaging, etc.
19:10:58 <rbergeron> Part of it was also calendaring-related, events-related, etc.
19:11:01 <rbergeron> So.
19:11:15 <rbergeron> suehle1: most of the insight "stuff" happens on the logistics mailing list.
19:11:28 <jnalley> from what i read on the wiki, it seemed like the end all be all to a lot of problems
19:11:30 <suehle1> noted
19:11:33 <rbergeron> If that hepls you to find people. But I think Paul could give thte long, sordid history, from the days of working with zikula.
19:11:37 <suehle1> I think I joined logistics for that reason
19:11:38 <rbergeron> Many moons ago.
19:11:48 <rbergeron> or was it zarafa
19:11:56 <rbergeron> i can't keep all the z projects straight. anyway....
19:12:22 <rbergeron> that's my food for thought. I tihnk it would probably draw more content if we had cooler content in there.
19:12:35 <suehle1> +1
19:12:43 <graphite6> +1
19:12:52 <rbergeron> one other thing i was goin to mention wrt it was that sparks had mentioned an idea in a board meeting a while ago about having a place where contributors could kind of publicly thank others - maybe that's a nice spot at the end of the newsletter.
19:12:57 <rbergeron> Anyway.
19:12:59 <rbergeron> that's all i have to say there.
19:13:00 <rbergeron> :)
19:13:09 <rbergeron> (until my brain barfs more stuff up in 10 minutes)
19:13:10 <suehle1> Aw, that'd be a good use of that FRIENDS F.
19:13:32 <jbrooks_> I think the key is for the relevant teams to want to get there information out there, and to be ready to enlist a beat writer to do it
19:13:35 <jbrooks_> For the content part
19:13:49 <jbrooks_> Then there's the presentation part, which certainly could stand an upgrade
19:14:17 <suehle1> Yeah, it would help if there were a list of team leaders to ping "hey, what's new lately?" when compiling it
19:14:22 <jbrooks_> I've been on the fwn team for ~six months, just doing In the News -- and just doing it when there was an issue to go out
19:14:23 <rbergeron> I tihnk just making it easier or giving people a new name other than beat writer could just be the easy thing to do.
19:14:34 <rbergeron> suehle1: yes, and that is also easier on a monthly or every-other-week basis.
19:14:45 <rbergeron> [people don't feel liike they are perpetually on the hook.
19:15:07 <rbergeron> And it doesn't seem depressing when you have a week without news, because you have more weeks of time to get shit done.
19:15:08 <jbrooks_> We can assemble some content streams, get them flowing, and then take distribution/presentation as a separate step
19:15:27 <jbrooks_> So whether or not FWN is going out that week, people who want their info going out would prepare their bit
19:15:31 <rbergeron> But i think we should talk to the insight folks to see what they are planning
19:15:36 <graphite6> it might also help to let them know, what type of content we're looking for and some example articles, announcements, etc...so they don't get bogged down by a blank page
19:15:48 <rbergeron> since a lot of that was about collecting that type of info, making that workflow far easier.
19:15:57 <rbergeron> graphite6: yup.
19:16:34 <jbrooks_> I know that I've assembled the In the News some weeks, but the issue hasn't come together, so I haven't done anything with the blurb
19:17:35 <jbrooks_> I was thinking, maybe I should just throw it up somewhere, on my blog or something, in the time being, to stay in the flow of actually getting it together w/o waiting for the whole fwn to gel that week
19:18:18 <jbrooks_> But, as others have said, it'd be good to include the fwn-ers in this disc
19:18:22 <rbergeron> yup.
19:18:38 <rbergeron> pascal could probably give some thoughts, though i know his time to give to it is thin now.
19:18:48 <rbergeron> suehle1: do yo want to move on to the next topic ;)
19:18:59 <suehle1> sure!
19:19:24 <suehle1> #topic Press tracking
19:19:32 <suehle1> Since the summon spell worked... anything new to report?
19:20:14 <jbrooks_> Well, let me ask you all -- how do we want to log mentions -- in the wiki page?
19:20:36 <suehle1> More words... what do you mean "how"?
19:20:43 <jbrooks_> I can take the mentions I've been logging for In the News and put them wherever -- I don't think automated will be great
19:21:01 <jbrooks_> I guess, where and in what form
19:21:33 <rbergeron> jbrooks_: i assume you have seen how it was done in the past
19:21:36 <jbrooks_> We're looking to log the mention, and also log the publication, and add that pub to a list of pubs if it isn't alreay there?
19:21:38 <suehle1> There are release pages, like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_press_archive
19:22:21 * rbergeron thinks the easiest thing would be to have a webform to wiki ... something or another
19:22:36 <rbergeron> it's easy to get people to contribute articles, not so easy to get them to want to do wiki tables.
19:22:39 <rbergeron> which suck.
19:22:42 <rbergeron> they are hateful.
19:22:51 <suehle1> That would be handy
19:22:55 <suehle1> For a lot of pages :)
19:23:14 <suehle1> Could we reuse the one ianweller did for FUDCon registration? ...that doesn't go to the wiki though, does it?
19:23:21 <graphite6> agreed but can the wiki interact with forms?
19:24:02 <rbergeron> graphite6: maybe?
19:24:06 <graphite6> lol
19:24:12 * rbergeron wonders if python-mediawiki could be magical here somehow, but who knows.
19:24:23 <rbergeron> suehle1: we could, but that's all on openshift hosted
19:24:39 <suehle1> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TableEdit
19:24:42 <rbergeron> so it necessitates someone to have an account there to change shit
19:24:56 <suehle1> oh that maube just gives you better wysiwyg buttons for it
19:25:00 <ianwelle1> let me just say that's a lot of work
19:25:08 <ianwelle1> that is all :)
19:25:16 <rbergeron> and ther eyou have it.
19:25:23 <suehle1> All righty then
19:25:39 <jbrooks_> Ok, I'll spend some time meditating on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive, et al
19:25:48 <graphite6> :D
19:25:57 <jbrooks_> I think there'll have to be a human element
19:26:12 <rbergeron> surely someone wants to be the Fedora Librarian.
19:26:12 <jbrooks_> but this can dovetail w/ the news stuff
19:26:14 <rbergeron> :)
19:26:26 <suehle1> "Historian" sounds like a way better title
19:27:21 * graphite6 wonders where she packed her curlers and bifocals....
19:28:02 <suehle1> #action jbrooks to meditate on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive,
19:28:11 <suehle1> #topic open floor
19:28:19 <suehle1> I feel like I forgot something. What was it?
19:28:29 <rbergeron> Release deliverables?
19:28:32 <rbergeron> Flyers?
19:28:41 <rbergeron> I want a sysadmin flyer for puppetconf and haven't done anything about it.
19:28:43 <suehle1> Well, with the release pushback, there's not a lot in imminent need.
19:28:51 <suehle1> That's pretty soon. :)
19:28:57 <rbergeron> Oh, graphite6: i need to beep at you about if you ahve spare jboss or cloud cards.
19:29:06 <rbergeron> suehle1: yeah. i may just do regular flyers.
19:29:28 <graphite6> I've got spare jboss cards, I have some cloud cards
19:29:39 <graphite6> do you need some?
19:30:13 <suehle1> graphite6: I know you've been moving, but have you worked on the stationery idea yet?
19:30:45 <graphite6> nothing other than the thought that I need the .svg of the fedora logo...so if you could send it to me :D
19:30:59 <graphite6> but I'm back to normal now so I can work on it
19:31:18 <rbergeron> graphite6: i would love some for puppetconf if you ahve some.
19:31:25 <graphite6> I've regained full connectivity with the internets!!!!
19:31:31 <rbergeron> graphite6: will ping you post meeting about it ;)
19:31:44 <graphite6> rbergeron: definitely I can send them out ASAP
19:31:49 <suehle1> Can do. Although I've also wondered if the most timeless option might be to just put the logo on some foldover blank cards.
19:31:51 * rbergeron also sort of wants more beefy stickers to take to fudcon paris for peeps there but doesn't know if ruth has a stack in RDU
19:32:02 <suehle1> Yeah, I saw your email, and I was going to count what I have left.
19:32:04 <rbergeron> suehle1: /me nods
19:32:08 <rbergeron> suehle1: okay
19:32:13 <suehle1> I've got some in the bag from oscon and some in the stuff from moving out of the office
19:32:17 <rbergeron> lol
19:32:36 * rbergeron has like 5 bags of swag/sticker bags/assorted batches of crap
19:33:03 <suehle1> Yeah, I think opensource.com stickers might be multiplying in my house. I find one here, one there.
19:33:05 * jnalley fedora swag != crap
19:33:23 <graphite6> suehle1: that's kind of what I had in mind...simple on some nice paper
19:33:37 <suehle1> I'm sure she meant "in the same bag with crap accumulated from other organization's booths" :)
19:34:21 <jnalley> haha, i know
19:34:41 <suehle1> Is that all we have for today?
19:35:37 <suehle1> going once, twice...
19:35:55 <suehle1> This is usually the part where my wifi drops, and I realize I'm talking to myself... :D
19:35:59 <suehle1> #endmeeting