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#fedora-meeting: Fedora QA meeting
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Meeting started by adamw at 15:02:06 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-17/fedora-qa.2012-09-17-15.02.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* roll call  (adamw, 15:02:10)

* Fedora 18 Alpha wind-up / Beta preparation  (adamw, 15:06:13)
  * alpha is done, release tomorrow, we need to get common bugs page up
    and ready  (adamw, 15:08:58)
  * ACTION: adamw to find out who's writing the release announcement and
    make sure it calls out the biggest Alpha bugs  (adamw, 15:12:47)
  * Alpha is now officially unfrozen, but releng has had trouble with
    the signing server which is why the stable push hasn't happened yet
    (adamw, 15:15:07)
  * nightly lives should help in Beta preparation, and should be
    available after the unfreeze is in effect  (adamw, 15:23:12)
  * official Beta TC1 release date is 2012-10-02  (adamw, 15:31:15)
  * AGREED: doing official TCs earlier would probably be overkill, but
    we will aim to do frequent smoketest images  (adamw, 15:33:03)
  * tflink proposes having freeze entrance criteria - requirements that
    must be met before we start the freeze for a release point  (adamw,
    15:33:56)
  * ACTION: tflink to draft up a freeze entrance requirements proposal
    for the list and we can take the idea from there  (adamw, 15:39:25)

* release criteria revision  (adamw, 15:40:41)
  * AGREED: 'uncategorized package groups' criterion can be dropped
    (adamw, 15:57:59)
  * AGREED: group is happy with the direction of kparal's proposal on
    the 'default package set' replacement criterion, further work to
    happen on-list  (adamw, 15:58:20)
  * group mostly happy with minimal criterion for partitioning at alpha
    stage, though a question over whether install to existing free space
    should be possible  (adamw, 16:05:44)
  * general agreement that beta partitioning requirements should be
    significantly stricter than alpha  (adamw, 16:07:00)
  * hard to decide on beta/final partitioning requirements until we see
    the planned changes to newUI partitioning workflow  (adamw,
    16:07:33)
  * ACTION: pschindl to kill 'uncategorized package groups' criterion
    (adamw, 16:08:52)
  * ACTION: kparal to refine 'release-blocking package sets' criterion
    (adamw, 16:09:09)
  * ACTION: adamw to refine alpha partitioning criterion  (adamw,
    16:09:17)
  * tflink reminds that we should never waive criteria in blocker review
    meetings, if it's going to happen, it should happen at go/no-go
    (adamw, 16:16:19)
  * TC/RC naming topic tabled due to lack of time  (adamw, 16:20:20)

* open floor  (adamw, 16:20:23)

Meeting ended at 16:22:23 UTC.




Action Items
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* adamw to find out who's writing the release announcement and make sure
  it calls out the biggest Alpha bugs
* tflink to draft up a freeze entrance requirements proposal for the
  list and we can take the idea from there
* pschindl to kill 'uncategorized package groups' criterion
* kparal to refine 'release-blocking package sets' criterion
* adamw to refine alpha partitioning criterion




Action Items, by person
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* adamw
  * adamw to find out who's writing the release announcement and make
    sure it calls out the biggest Alpha bugs
  * adamw to refine alpha partitioning criterion
* kparal
  * kparal to refine 'release-blocking package sets' criterion
* pschindl
  * pschindl to kill 'uncategorized package groups' criterion
* tflink
  * tflink to draft up a freeze entrance requirements proposal for the
    list and we can take the idea from there
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* adamw (142)
* tflink (60)
* kparal (33)
* pschindl (14)
* jreznik (12)
* nirik (9)
* brunowolff (5)
* satellit (4)
* cmurf (3)
* zodbot (3)
* maxamillion (2)
* spoore (1)
* mkrizek (1)
* rbergeron (1)
* jskladan (1)
* jsmith (1)




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