18:01:36 <smooge> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-10-25) 18:01:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 25 18:01:36 2012 UTC. The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:36 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:23 <smooge> #meetingname infrastructure 18:02:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:02:33 <smooge> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 18:02:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 18:02:53 <smooge> #topic Robot RollCall 18:03:04 * threebean is here 18:03:06 <Jeff_S> . 18:03:06 <smooge> anyone around? 18:03:06 * skvidal is here 18:03:07 <lmacken> cambot! 18:03:10 <lmacken> i mean 18:03:10 * lmacken 18:03:11 <codegerbil> *here 18:03:12 * skvidal is all over the place a bit, though 18:03:41 <packday> Hello everyone, I'm new to the group and this my first meeting 18:03:47 <smooge> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 18:03:55 <smooge> Hi Packday please introduce yourself 18:03:59 <codegerbil> Hi, I am also new. 18:04:01 * Spack here 18:04:05 <Ramesh> Hi, i am new here 18:04:18 <smooge> ok will work my way down the list. good to see you all 18:04:35 * threebean waves "hello" 18:04:42 <packday> smooge: what would you like to know 18:04:44 <smooge> codegerbil, Ramesh want to say anything about what you are looking to do 18:04:52 <codegerbil> ok 18:05:03 <smooge> 1 line bio 18:05:10 * ctria is late... 18:05:23 <codegerbil> i am fairly new to fedora. my interests are networking and security. 18:05:37 <codegerbil> because i am so new, i am willing to start really *really* small 18:06:18 <Ramesh> I am pursuing MSc in Computer Application specializing in System Admin, i would like to contribute in some thing like writing scripts and automating things 18:06:22 <packday> I currently work as a Test Automation Developer, and I'm joining the group in hopes of learning and improving my development skills 18:06:46 <skvidal> wow. a lot of new folks today 18:06:49 <skvidal> thats great! 18:07:40 <smooge> cool guys. have you been set up in the apprentice groups yet? 18:07:46 <Ramesh> my interest is also in network storage 18:08:07 <codegerbil> Ramesh, that's cool! 18:08:12 <skvidal> Ramesh: worked with gluster much? 18:08:14 <codegerbil> Nope 18:08:18 <codegerbil> and Nope. 18:08:37 <skvidal> you might consider setting up and playing with gluster on your own - it's something we're using in a few places 18:08:43 <skvidal> and given how easy it is to setup 18:08:45 <skvidal> and it's capabilities 18:08:50 <skvidal> I suspect we'll be using it more in the future 18:08:58 <codegerbil> that sounds good! i will, thank you! 18:09:00 <skvidal> familiarity with it will probably benefit you (and us) 18:09:12 <codegerbil> ok! 18:09:13 <smooge> ok any other new people? 18:09:15 <threebean> packday: regarding application development, stop by #fedora-apps after the meeting and maybe we can find some stuff to work on. :) 18:09:16 <skvidal> gluster 3.3 is in fedora* and available in el6 18:09:18 <Ramesh> skvdial : no, i have worked only with FreeNAS 18:09:45 <packday> threebean: Thank you, I will 18:09:55 <smooge> Ramesh packday codegerbil, after the meeting or send me an email at smooge@fedoraproject.org with your fas info and I will set up the apprentice acounts 18:10:05 <codegerbil> oh, sorry ramesh. i thought it was you asking me, not skvdial asking you. sorry about that. 18:10:25 <smooge> ok next up.. 18:10:29 <smooge> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 18:10:40 <smooge> wait that is what we are doing.... ha 18:10:53 <smooge> #topic Applications status / discussion 18:11:00 <smooge> Ok application statuses threebean ? 18:11:21 <threebean> we're in beta freeze. freeze always makes me a sad threebean. 18:11:48 <smooge> :) 18:11:50 <threebean> good news -> got zeromq3 working everywhere in stg the other day, so that'll be good to go for production in a few weeks. 18:12:19 <herlo> threebean: does that also mean that zmq 3 will be in epel soonish? 18:12:33 <lmacken> I'm going to be announcing some spiffy fedmsg client tools shortly too, so we'll definitely be putting those pipes to the test 18:12:38 <threebean> herlo: Yes. it's in epel-test now. 18:12:58 <herlo> threebean: what about pyzmq? 18:13:10 <threebean> herlo: same thing, it was rebuilt against zeromq3 and is in epel-test. 18:13:33 <herlo> awesome! 18:13:34 * relrod here, late 18:13:46 <threebean> herlo: :) 18:13:48 <herlo> threebean: thanks 18:14:00 <skvidal> does pyzmq still pull in twisted? 18:14:08 * skvidal cannot remember the whole stack 18:14:10 <lmacken> i'd assume so 18:14:18 <lmacken> oh, maybe not, that's txZMQ 18:14:27 * lmacken checks fedora-packags 18:14:31 <skvidal> I know one of them does... :) 18:14:33 <herlo> pyzmq doesn't 18:14:37 <herlo> no twisted 18:14:47 <skvidal> hmmmm... thx 18:15:20 * skvidal hmms about keyczar 18:15:26 <skvidal> okay - for another discussion 18:15:41 <skvidal> what other app discussion do we have? 18:15:50 <threebean> that's all from me. 18:16:21 <lmacken> I'm going to try and get freeze break approval soon to push a bodhi bugfix release 18:17:03 <lmacken> to get bodhi to stop fighting the QA bug status flow 18:17:33 <abadger1999> fas and pkgdb were updated this past week. And we got some hotfixes applied to fas pretty soon after [openid] :-) 18:17:50 <abadger1999> but them's the breaks :-) 18:18:12 <smooge> oh well. the Fas password changes go in ok? 18:18:25 <abadger1999> smooge: yep. And haven't had any complaints so far. 18:18:38 <smooge> I haven't tried to change my password yet ;) 18:18:58 <smooge> thanks threebean . 18:19:01 <abadger1999> If anyone notices something/problems from new users let relrod or pingou I know 18:19:09 <abadger1999> *or I 18:19:15 <smooge> lmacken, what kind of tools are ou looking at 18:19:34 <lmacken> smooge: hmm? 18:19:35 <smooge> oh you will announce later nm. 18:19:44 <lmacken> oh, yeah, fedmsg-notify stuff 18:19:57 <lmacken> a primitive version is in updates-testing right now 18:20:14 <smooge> cool. 18:20:15 <lmacken> or, stable rather 18:20:38 <smooge> ok any other items? 18:20:46 <smooge> #topic Private Cloud status update 18:20:50 <smooge> ok seth. 18:20:52 <skvidal> hi! 18:20:53 <smooge> your turn 18:20:59 <skvidal> so the cloud it is private 18:21:01 <skvidal> and being used 18:21:07 <skvidal> recap: euca and openstack setup in cloudlets 18:21:17 <skvidal> euca is currently seeing a fair amount of euca 18:21:35 <skvidal> s/of/of use/ 18:22:00 <skvidal> I'm working on some non-specific tools to make persistent instances on clouds work a lot more reliably for us 18:22:19 <skvidal> and then I'll be off in coprs/ppa land for the next week or 2 focusing on a functionality using the clouds we have 18:22:25 <skvidal> (builders as instances, etc) 18:22:41 <skvidal> we have a couple of outstanding tasks 18:23:04 <skvidal> 1. the openstack cluster is currently gluster-backed for the big file store - and that doesn't perform as well as we'd like 18:23:23 <skvidal> - so reinstalling it is in the cards and/or upgrading it to openstack folsom (if/when it comes available) 18:23:42 <skvidal> - alternatively - we would like to test out cloudstack on that cloudlet - instead of openstack - just as a trial 18:23:46 <smooge> use nfs instead? 18:24:13 <skvidal> ummm. unclear 18:24:18 <skvidal> could be all local storage 18:24:20 <smooge> np 18:24:26 <skvidal> and/or if nirik has his way with the netapp 18:24:36 <skvidal> if we can pull iscsi off of the vfiler to the cloud network 18:24:43 <skvidal> that is a giant questionmark, though. 18:25:03 <skvidal> right now I'm pushing ahead on tools which generically target the ec2-api for creating/stopping/using instances 18:25:09 <smooge> yeah.. I think we may have to wait til us being in NC to get enough people together to see 18:25:16 <smooge> cool 18:25:21 <skvidal> so we are relatively confident the tools will work on amazon, rackspace, euca, openstack or cloudstack 18:25:38 <skvidal> I will hopeflly be checking in a lump of stuff 18:25:50 <skvidal> to the ansible public repo on lockbox today 18:26:12 <skvidal> which will include a module a playbook and a script to startup persistent cloud instances from there 18:26:25 <skvidal> so we can always keep certain instances running with certain ip addresses assigned to them 18:26:27 * pingou late 18:26:43 <skvidal> pingou: read the above b/c it is specifically pertains to you and the jenkins_master stuff 18:27:05 <skvidal> anyway - that's the long and short of it at the moment. 18:27:19 <skvidal> if anyone needs/wants a test instance 18:27:38 <skvidal> or wants to play around - lemme know and I'll try to provide something for them as quick as I can 18:27:47 <skvidal> but this week and next are going to be busy 18:28:06 <skvidal> I think I'm done 18:28:11 <pingou> thanks for this skvidal 18:28:32 <smooge> actually to go to something threebean said.. I wonder how much he can do developemtn in the cloud while we are frozen. 18:28:51 <skvidal> I don't see any reason not to run things there at this point 18:29:04 <skvidal> as long as they don't "interact" in ugly ways with production 18:29:40 <smooge> ok something post meeting then 18:29:46 <smooge> #topic Beta FREEZE 18:30:28 <smooge> We are currently in Beta freeze. Please make sure that all puppet/code changes have been looked at on list and gotten +1 before pushing 18:31:02 <smooge> ansible changes that affect the build systems would fall under this I believe but not ones for the cloud. 18:31:27 <smooge> I think that is about that at the moment 18:31:40 <skvidal> I agree 18:31:49 <skvidal> right now those repos are separate 18:32:02 <skvidal> at some point they won't be - but right now builders are in the completely private 'builders' git repo 18:32:14 <skvidal> and the public ansible repo does not, yet, have any production components in it 18:32:25 <smooge> I thought so but wasn't sure if there was any overlap 18:32:28 <threebean> Question: commits to infra-docs aren't frozen, are they? 18:32:30 <skvidal> not yet, no 18:32:40 <skvidal> threebean: not frozen 18:32:48 <skvidal> threebean: I don't think docs EVER freeze, actually. 18:32:59 <smooge> only when we screw something up 18:33:00 <threebean> cool. ty 18:33:29 <smooge> Ok I should have the beta tickets done later this afternoon. They are the standard list of ones... 18:33:42 <smooge> disk space, labeling, etc 18:34:05 <smooge> ok next topic? 18:34:22 <smooge> #topic Security FAD update 18:34:29 * abadger1999 notes that certain system aren't frozen 18:34:43 <abadger1999> So you can commit to puppet if it only affects those unfrozen systems 18:34:51 <smooge> abadger1999, correct sorry... 18:34:54 <abadger1999> (If in doubt, change requests never hurt, though :-) 18:35:14 <smooge> and they usally get accepted in 1-2 hours 18:35:22 <smooge> if that long 18:35:30 <smooge> Ok Security FAD. 18:35:34 <abadger1999> yep. ping in #fedora-admin if no one replies 18:35:49 <pingou> smooge: during US working hours ;) 18:36:12 <smooge> The FAD will be in RDU in late November. 18:36:36 <smooge> We will be mainly working on finishing the long outstanding 2 factor authorization. 18:36:50 <abadger1999> for selected systems/thing 18:36:52 <abadger1999> s 18:36:58 <herlo> yay! 18:36:58 <abadger1999> sudo definitely. 18:37:04 <abadger1999> web apps -- maybe 18:37:18 <smooge> Budget was approved and people need to place tickets for airlines etc within the next week. 18:37:29 <smooge> rooms are already booked 18:38:07 <smooge> we are working on a shuttle car that should be finalized next week. 18:38:21 <skvidal> s/shuttle/seth/ 18:38:24 <skvidal> :) 18:38:34 <abadger1999> smooge: Cool :-) /me gets in at midnight :-( 18:38:54 <smooge> oh boy. that will probably be me and a truck then 18:38:59 <codegerbil> forgive my ignorance, but what is rdu? 18:39:03 <herlo> abadger1999: on the 26th? 18:39:09 <skvidal> codegerbil: Raleigh Durham Airport 18:39:10 <abadger1999> codegerbil: Raleight Durham airport 18:39:11 <herlo> codegerbil: raleigh duram airport 18:39:13 <abadger1999> herlo: yeah 18:39:15 <skvidal> or as we call it here 18:39:23 <skvidal> Durham Airport that we allow the raleigh people to use 18:39:31 <codegerbil> HAHA, ok, thanks! 18:39:32 <skvidal> begrudgingly 18:39:53 <herlo> abadger1999: hmm, I'm in at 7pm. I'm sure someone will be up and can get you :) 18:40:01 * herlo plans to be a hacking at that point anyway. 18:40:03 <abadger1999> herlo: The only other times were red eyes... and traveling on a Sunday red eye was expensive (b/c of the thanksgiving travelers) 18:40:09 <abadger1999> herlo: :-) 18:40:17 <herlo> abadger1999: and business travelers, more likely :) 18:40:37 <herlo> getting back to work on Monday after a looong weekend 18:40:40 <smooge> People who are going will need to email me and seth their arrival times 18:40:42 * herlo lets smooge take back over 18:40:57 <abadger1999> :-) 18:41:28 <smooge> I have a hard stop in 19 minutes so anything else on this? 18:41:49 <smooge> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:42:01 <smooge> #info 2012-10-23 to 2012-11-06 F18 Beta Freeze 18:42:02 <smooge> #info 2012-11-01 nag fi-apprentices 18:42:02 <smooge> #info 2012-11-06 F18 Beta release 18:42:02 <smooge> #info 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code. 18:42:02 <smooge> #info 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due 18:42:02 <smooge> #info 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday 18:42:04 <smooge> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD 18:42:06 <smooge> #info 2012-11-27 to 2012-12-11 F18 Final Freeze 18:42:08 <smooge> #info 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter 18:42:10 <smooge> #info 2012-12-11 F18 release. 18:42:12 <smooge> #info 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. 18:42:14 <smooge> #info 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence 18:42:32 <smooge> I am not sure that the 12-11 is even close to when F18 is supposed to be released. 18:42:51 <smooge> I don't know how much people were joiking that FUDCON lawrence would be the final push :) 18:43:32 <tomprince> I'm curious if there is an order of magnitude eta on buildslave instances (days, weeks, months)? 18:43:47 <skvidal> tomprince: I don't understand the question 18:44:01 <skvidal> tomprince: what's the context? 18:44:10 <tomprince> Two week ago, there was discussion of hosting a buildslave for twisted. 18:44:16 <skvidal> oh! right. 18:44:21 <abadger1999> smooge: The tool to be able to update is supposedly the only thing that's endangering the schedule. but some features of that tool aren't written yet so it definitely could slip. 18:44:21 <threebean> I believe via buildbot, correct? 18:44:28 <skvidal> tomprince: do you happen to have the ticket open? 18:44:30 <skvidal> s/open/around/ 18:44:31 <tomprince> yes. 18:44:37 <tomprince> No. 18:44:50 <skvidal> tomprince: okay - that may be on me - then - I got pulled a bit sideways this week 18:45:12 <skvidal> lemme see if I can find the latest status 18:45:26 <smooge> well this bridges into the last topic 18:45:53 <smooge> #topic Open Floor 18:47:40 <ctria> i'm still willing on work on the calendar thingy (ticket 1197). But due to my relocation and job change i'm out of publicly available VMs. Would it be possible to get an instance on the cloud for it to give it a try? 18:48:06 <skvidal> ctria: yes 18:48:12 <skvidal> wait - don't we already have one? 18:48:17 <skvidal> pingou: ^^^ 18:48:44 <pingou> ctria: https://209.132.184.106/fedocal/ 18:49:05 <ctria> ok i missed much then :) 18:49:49 <smooge> skvidal, what can I do to help your schedule for the rest of this week and next? 18:50:17 <pingou> I still need to ping mizmo about her design 18:52:18 <skvidal> smooge: I am working on both projects kinda full-tilt, right now. 18:52:22 <skvidal> smooge: we can talk oob 18:52:38 <smooge> ok I will talk with you after my meetings 18:52:47 <skvidal> cool 18:53:07 <smooge> ctria, and pingou how about hashing stuff after meeting in #fedora-admin or meail? 18:53:29 <smooge> any other items for open floor? I will close in 1 otherwise 18:53:32 <pingou> smooge: hashing ? (other sure, fine for me) 18:53:39 <ctria> sure 18:53:47 <herlo> lol, hashing just means working out :) 18:53:49 <smooge> talking it out with each other on the status and such 18:53:53 <herlo> smooge: I do have one thing ish 18:54:05 <smooge> herlo ok 18:54:18 <herlo> really quick. I'm working on a project using fedmsg that will possibly help other groups too. 18:54:40 <herlo> It's just FYI at this point, but essentially, I want to get it into FI at some point in the future. 18:55:04 <abadger1999> herlo: cool. what's it do? 18:55:07 <herlo> It reads fedmsgs from the ambassadors group when someone joins and files a ticket in trac. Rather simple. 18:55:25 <pingou> nice demo of what can be done with the bus, nice! 18:55:25 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:55:39 <herlo> but eventually, when the ticket is approved, I want it to also approve the ambassador in fas 18:55:45 <herlo> though that won't be with fedmsg 18:56:01 <herlo> my code also uses fasclient 18:56:15 <herlo> anyway, I figured a few people might like that functionality 18:56:22 <herlo> I'll put the code up soonish. 18:56:26 <abadger1999> herlo: fasclient or fedora.client.fas2? 18:56:31 <herlo> abadger1999: the latter 18:56:37 <herlo> iirc 18:56:41 * threebean excited to see it :) 18:56:52 <herlo> that is all -- EOF 18:57:06 <herlo> threebean: thanks for all the help too 18:58:21 <threebean> np, np. :) 18:58:50 <smooge> ok guys I am going to close out in 1 18:59:02 <packday> smooge: I sent you an email in regards to an apprentice acct 18:59:17 <smooge> packday, thanks I will get to it after my next meeting ;) 18:59:27 <threebean> packday: and let's talk in #fedora-apps, too. :) 18:59:35 <smooge> #endmeeting