17:08:24 <aeperezt> #startmeeting
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17:08:24 <nb> aeperezt, are you able to chair, i may have to leave early depending on how long we last
17:08:38 <aeperezt> #char nb bckurera sesivany
17:09:00 <aeperezt> #chair nb bckurera sesivany
17:09:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera nb sesivany
17:09:39 <aeperezt> #topic presents
17:09:49 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:09:51 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:10:03 <nb> .fas nick@bebout
17:10:04 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
17:10:05 <Southern_Gentlem> aeperezt, #meetingname FAMSCO
17:10:16 <nb> #meetingname famsco
17:10:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
17:10:21 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:10:21 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:10:23 * herlo is here
17:10:28 <aeperezt> #chair Southern_Gentlem
17:10:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: Southern_Gentlem aeperezt bckurera nb sesivany
17:10:37 <aeperezt> #meetingname FAMSCO
17:10:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
17:10:59 * nb throws herlo a chair
17:11:01 <nb> #chair herlo
17:11:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Southern_Gentlem aeperezt bckurera herlo nb sesivany
17:11:10 <herlo> lol
17:11:14 <Southern_Gentlem> lol
17:11:15 * herlo might need it
17:11:23 <aeperezt> lol
17:12:18 <aeperezt> is there any ticket we need to approve ?
17:12:23 <nb> yes
17:12:30 <nb> .famsco 330
17:12:30 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/330
17:12:47 <nb> approval for a PO for Fedora 18 media for FAmNA
17:12:57 <nb> 5,000 multi-arch live media for $5,500
17:13:08 * herlo approves
17:13:09 <nb> we don't plan to order install media this time
17:13:47 <aeperezt> #topic ticket 330
17:13:59 <aeperezt> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/330
17:14:05 <nb> we might order less depending on when the release actually comes out, but we would like to go ahead and get the purchase order made for the 5k media
17:14:51 <nb> bckurera, current topic is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/330
17:15:24 <bckurera> ok thanks nb
17:15:53 <aeperezt> sesivany, have you order media before I'm lost on the matter
17:16:12 <nb> aeperezt, sesivany orders EMEA
17:16:13 <nb> I order NA
17:16:18 <sesivany> just for the curiosity, I have no problem to +1: what makes media in NA so expensive? We produce them 3 times cheaper in EMEA. Do you have to pay some extra fee on storage?
17:16:44 <bckurera> ok I have no idea about the prices but $1.1 per DVD seems quite nice
17:16:55 <nb> sesivany, you order dual later dvds for 3 times cheaper?
17:16:59 <Southern_Gentlem> sesivany,  double sided dvds
17:17:03 <herlo> sesivany: multi-dvd?
17:17:18 <herlo> yeah, with double sided dvds?
17:17:29 <nb> s/double sided/dual layer/\
17:17:29 <aeperezt> nb that was my point to me it looks ok on price but as I never order media no idea sesivany perspective is appreciated in this case
17:17:47 <bckurera> nb, should be use a cover for that?
17:17:55 <herlo> nb: oh...
17:17:58 <sesivany> not double-sided, but multilayer, for cca $.35. If it's double-sided, it may explain the difference in price.
17:17:59 <herlo> bckurera: it includes a cover
17:18:10 <nb> FWIW this is about 20-30 cents per unit cheaper than our previous supplier
17:18:32 <bckurera> so DVD + Printed cover . USD 1.1 per unit ? sounds good :)
17:18:32 <herlo> nb: although, they started out much less expensive.
17:18:37 <herlo> bckurera: right
17:18:59 <herlo> nb: sesivany: it might be good to discuss your production offline from this meeting.
17:19:00 <aeperezt> sounds good to me to
17:19:07 <nb> bckurera, yes, printed cover and dvd
17:19:14 <bckurera> here is my +1
17:19:27 <sesivany> I'm not complaining, I was just curious. You can simply compare prices in different places in the world. For me, it's OK.
17:19:28 <herlo> nb: sesivany: sounds like we could possibly get lower pricing in NA even.
17:19:44 * nb would suggest we go ahead with this for F18, and possibly research more suppliers for F19
17:19:48 <sesivany> can->can't
17:19:56 <herlo> sesivany: aye
17:20:07 <herlo> nb: +1 to the PO
17:20:14 <sesivany> +1
17:20:17 <nb> +1 to the PO from me (of course)
17:20:17 <aeperezt> +1
17:20:37 <herlo> bckurera: ? your vote?
17:20:41 <herlo> oh, you did
17:20:58 <bckurera> +1
17:21:07 <bckurera> casted 2 times :)
17:21:10 <herlo> lol
17:21:52 <aeperezt> ok
17:22:14 <aeperezt> so it is approved by all presents
17:22:15 <nb> #agreed FAmNA quote for 5,000 multi-live DL dvd's for $5,500 is approved
17:22:38 <aeperezt> lets move to other ticket
17:23:05 <aeperezt> bckurera, do you want to discuss ticket 326?
17:23:13 * herlo notes the agenda is here: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
17:23:22 <herlo> .famsco 326
17:23:22 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/326
17:23:24 <bckurera> 329?
17:23:28 <herlo> .famsco 329
17:23:28 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/329
17:23:56 * herlo whistles while he helps
17:23:57 <bckurera> shall we take 329 and get back to 326 please?
17:24:36 <aeperezt> herlo 329 is a fpl famsco don't work on FADs
17:25:08 <herlo> aeperezt: I was just showing links
17:25:18 <aeperezt> herlo, ok
17:25:20 <herlo> aeperezt: and I agree
17:25:32 <herlo> this should go to fudcon-planning trac
17:25:45 <herlo> or something similar
17:25:45 <aeperezt> so we can change topic to 326?
17:26:11 <herlo> aeperezt: wait, topic change for 329 or 326. We aren't done with 329 yet.
17:26:12 <bckurera> Is this required?
17:26:15 <herlo> We need an action
17:26:28 <herlo> bckurera: is what required?
17:26:36 <nb> to pay in advance requires someone to pay out of their pocket
17:26:42 <aeperezt> #topic ticket 329
17:26:45 <nb> pay in advance can not be done by red hat credit card (AFAIK
17:26:57 <bckurera> no I mean cannot we approve this?
17:27:08 <herlo> okay, before we go down this path, we *cannot* approve this
17:27:16 <bckurera> we can talk with a credit card holder and ask for that if there is a approval
17:27:22 <herlo> FAD is a premeir fedora event
17:27:27 <herlo> and comes out of that budget
17:27:31 <herlo> we can give our blessing
17:27:34 <herlo> and pass it on
17:27:39 <herlo> but that is not an approval
17:27:49 <herlo> *premier
17:27:50 <aeperezt> herlo, +1
17:27:59 <sesivany> bckurera: we can approve it, but that approval wouldn't matter because we're no supposed to decide about premium events.
17:28:00 <nb> bckurera, as far as i know, paying in adance can only be done if someone personally pays for it with their own money
17:28:02 <nb> not with a credit card
17:28:10 <nb> but we can't approve FAD anyway
17:28:22 * herlo notes however that there is no need for us to discuss it beyond that, and not waste time on it since we don't have a say.
17:28:37 <nb> rue
17:28:38 <aeperezt> bckurera, you need approach that to FPL
17:28:39 <nb> true
17:28:44 <bckurera> ok then will show our bless on that :)
17:28:52 * herlo suggests that we close #329 with forward to FPL / fudcon / premier events trac.
17:29:05 <aeperezt> herlo, +1
17:29:12 <herlo> and let famsco wish them the best :)
17:29:25 <bckurera> ok then I ll follow it up
17:29:53 <bckurera> we can keep it on the trac and get the FPL attention on that
17:30:08 <bckurera> like #302 and #312
17:30:10 <herlo> #proposal Close ticket #329 with famsco blessing, but inform ticket must be filed with premier events budget and famsco does not approve.
17:30:21 <herlo> #info proposal Close ticket #329 with famsco blessing, but inform ticket must be filed with premier events budget and famsco does not approve.
17:30:26 <nb> +1
17:30:30 <aeperezt> +1
17:30:30 <herlo> +1
17:30:33 <sesivany> +1
17:30:58 <Southern_Gentlem> herlo maybe a rewording
17:31:14 <herlo> #agreed ticket #329 will be closed with famsco blessing, and add information to ticket to be filed with premier events budget.
17:31:18 <Southern_Gentlem> famsco doesnt have approval for premier events
17:31:21 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: right, a bit better?
17:31:24 <Southern_Gentlem> yep
17:31:30 <herlo> Southern_Gentlem: I realized.
17:31:44 <aeperezt> moving to ticket 326
17:31:48 <herlo> bckurera: I just realized you didn't vote.
17:31:58 * herlo apologizes
17:32:10 <bckurera> I dont vote for the closure of the ticket
17:32:28 <bckurera> we can keep it as it is and take FPL attention like #302 and #312
17:32:34 <herlo> okay, so four +1s and one -1, motion carries.
17:32:48 <herlo> bckurera: yes, I think the ticket will be used.
17:33:06 <bckurera> ok then will pass it with out closing it +1
17:33:08 <aeperezt> #topic ticket 326
17:33:09 <herlo> whether it's open or closed, the ticket is still valuabe.
17:33:16 <herlo> valuable.
17:34:10 <bckurera> #info bckurera will follow up #329 from famsco trac
17:34:15 <herlo> aeperezt: is this 'per region' or one winner from all of fedora?
17:34:24 <herlo> bckurera: awesome
17:34:25 <bckurera> ok shall we take #326 then
17:34:31 <herlo> bckurera: we're there now :)
17:34:36 <aeperezt> bckurera, you own ticket #326
17:34:51 <bckurera> ahh yes
17:35:04 <aeperezt> herlo, I think it's per region
17:35:16 <bckurera> So what I was thinking is per region we select some winners and offer them a dinner
17:35:34 <bckurera> we need to decide how many winners per region and what is the maximum per team
17:36:06 <sesivany> bckurera: last time, I think we paid $80-100, right?
17:36:21 <bckurera> yes $80 right?
17:36:49 <aeperezt> bckurera, I think it should be 1 per region
17:36:54 <herlo> aeperezt: seems to me that if the region wants to do the challenge, I'm all for that.
17:36:57 <bckurera> Is it ok with all region, NA and EMEA specially?
17:37:12 <herlo> I would say that some regions may not wish to, or not have a champion to run it, however.
17:37:27 * Southern_Gentlem thinks $80 is too much but that is up to committee members
17:37:36 <sesivany> do we really want to do it per region? I mean some regions might be very active and I don't want to disqualify them...
17:38:05 <aeperezt> sesivany, we can do 1 per region and 1 over all
17:38:08 * herlo was saying that he thinks the competition if run, should be challenged within a region.
17:38:21 <bckurera> that is the reason to select winners from each region, not taking fedora as a whole
17:38:57 * herlo thinks the 1 overall should probably be removed.
17:39:13 <bckurera> aeperezt : this varies region to regionmpare events in two regions I think
17:39:18 <sesivany> ok, let's go with 1 per region. And I think $80 is reasonable prize.
17:39:48 <herlo> sesivany: care to make an #info proposal ?
17:39:54 <aeperezt> sesivany, +1
17:40:23 <sesivany> one more thing: do we have any criteria for choosing the best party?
17:40:33 <bckurera> If we take $80 then for all regions it would be $320
17:40:45 <aeperezt> every regions can choose their winner or we should choose?
17:41:07 <sesivany> aeperezt: yes, that's the point. Who will make the decision.
17:41:44 <herlo> probably recommend criteria, but let the regional judge/champion decide the final criteria as long as it's transparently available
17:41:48 <herlo> ?
17:42:31 <bckurera> agreed
17:42:57 <aeperezt> herlo, agreed
17:43:04 <sesivany> agreed
17:43:21 <bckurera> anyone to draft a proposal and present in the next meeting then?
17:43:44 <sesivany> and I wouldn't even specify the criteria. Just let the regions handle it.
17:43:47 <bckurera> We can agree with the no of prices and $80 today
17:44:08 <herlo> sesivany: fine with me, the criteria is semi-specific to region anyway, or at least could be.
17:44:32 <herlo> bckurera: up to 4 prizes, each of $80, right?
17:44:45 <herlo> seems pretty straightforward.
17:45:04 * herlo notes he has a hard stop at the top of the hour.
17:45:15 <bckurera> herlo ok
17:45:51 * herlo waits for someone to make a formal proposal we can all vote on...
17:45:53 <bckurera> what about other, shall we agree on that!
17:46:16 <bckurera> herlo I ll do it and next meeting will conclude it\
17:46:28 <sesivany> let's vote for $80 per region to reward the organizers of the best F18 release party in the region.
17:46:46 <herlo> +1
17:46:54 <sesivany> +1
17:47:19 <aeperezt> +1
17:47:21 <herlo> sesivany: with one minor change s/the region/each region/
17:47:27 <bckurera> Yes that seems good, it is upto regions to select the winner and determine the criteria and deadline and all
17:47:29 <bckurera> +1
17:47:36 <herlo> yay!
17:47:50 <herlo> #agreed $80 per region to reward the organizers of the best F18 release party in each region
17:48:07 <herlo> nb: feel free to add your vote. I'm impatient, apparently.
17:48:23 <sesivany> bckurera: can you update the ticket?
17:48:33 <bckurera> I ll do it for sure
17:48:47 <bckurera> both ticket #329 and #326
17:48:51 <herlo> #action bckurera to update ticket #326 with details regarding release parties
17:49:25 <herlo> #action bckurera to update ticket #329 with information to follow up with fedora premier events budget people.
17:49:35 <herlo> bckurera: sound good?
17:49:49 <bckurera> yeah will move :)
17:50:04 <herlo> cool, next topic?
17:50:11 <bckurera> yes please
17:50:59 * herlo is not seeing much left, reimbursement guidelines is one, I suppose.
17:51:05 <sesivany> is there anything else to discuss?
17:51:07 * herlo just has an update on it, from NA anyway.
17:51:10 <aeperezt> herlo, yes
17:51:36 <herlo> .fas 281
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17:51:39 <herlo> ugh
17:51:42 <herlo> .famsco 281
17:51:42 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/281
17:51:50 <herlo> nothing new on the ticket
17:52:01 <aeperezt> #topic famsco ticket #281
17:52:10 <herlo> just an update that the NA guidelines will be discussed at our regional meeting tomorrow night
17:52:30 <bckurera> that is good herlo
17:52:35 <sesivany> herlo: good to hear that. Fingers crossed :)
17:52:37 <herlo> we've made quite a few changes and our going to encourage other regions to use the NA guidelines as a template once approved.
17:53:14 <bckurera> APAC is up and running now
17:53:18 * herlo notes one big change in the NA guidelines that the other regions should consider. Removing anything that isn't speicfic to reimbursement. That is the goal of this guideline, not for prepayment, not for direct payment. Just reimbursement
17:53:33 <aeperezt> LATAM is also up and running now
17:53:46 <herlo> if you are already running, great! No need to adjust unless things really don't make sense for you.
17:53:50 <bckurera> aeperezt that is great
17:54:03 * herlo is done.
17:54:31 <bckurera> herlo we can see it, normally every guideline need to be changed when it is running, then only we see holes and improvements
17:54:41 <herlo> bckurera: yep. Good plan!
17:54:41 <bckurera> specially when it deal with money :)
17:54:49 <sesivany> herlo: we adopted the APAC draft, but made it much simpler. But we're open to new ideas.
17:55:13 <herlo> sesivany: so did we, and then we stripped it down down down. It's a very minimalist document now.
17:55:29 <herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines <-- for reference
17:55:36 <herlo> still more to go, probably.
17:55:40 <sesivany> herlo: that was our goal, too. Looking forward to your results.
17:55:45 <herlo> sesivany: thanks
17:56:02 <bckurera> great !
17:56:07 * herlo would like to discuss a couple outstanding tickets that are still sitting there, and seem relevant
17:56:12 <herlo> can we move to that?
17:56:17 <sesivany> yes
17:56:39 <herlo> #topic ticket #302 and #312 FADs requested on famsco trac
17:56:55 <herlo> should we not do the same thing with these two tickets as we just discussed above?
17:57:04 <herlo> .famsco 302
17:57:04 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/302
17:57:08 <herlo> .famsco 312
17:57:08 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/312
17:57:30 <herlo> or maybe they just need to be closed?
17:57:43 <sesivany> herlo: I thought #302 was solved. At least, Robyn paid it AFAIK.
17:57:52 <aeperezt> herlo, I think we could close them
17:57:58 <herlo> yeah, I'm seeing that now, and wondering why they are on our meeting agenda
17:58:06 * herlo wants to take the meeting keyword off at least
17:58:22 <herlo> #info proposal remove meeting keyword from tickets 302 and 312
17:58:42 <sesivany> herlo: #312 was also solved.
17:59:05 <sesivany> herlo: the decision was forwarded to the regional meeting and we approved it.
17:59:07 <herlo> sesivany: yes, so let's vote to remove the meeting keyword, then we don't have to have them on our agenda next week :)
17:59:15 <herlo> +1
17:59:22 <sesivany> +1 to remove it
17:59:22 <herlo> to my proposal above
17:59:32 <herlo> nb: aeperezt bckurera ?
17:59:35 <aeperezt> herlo, +1, but I think they should be closed
17:59:50 <bckurera> yup will close them
17:59:51 <herlo> aeperezt: sure, someone can close them, just not me
18:00:19 <herlo> that's four votes for removing meeting keyword. If someone wants to close them, feel free.
18:00:46 <herlo> #agreed removing 302 and 312 from meeting agenda in the future. Likely closing of ticket as well.
18:01:18 <herlo> okay, I need to head off. Open floor?
18:01:23 <sesivany> herlo: I've closed #312 because it has already taken place and it's solved for sure.
18:01:24 <aeperezt> bckurera, ticket 311 is solve?
18:01:48 <herlo> great!
18:01:56 <bckurera> not yet aeperezt
18:01:58 <herlo> aeperezt: 311 is not on the meeting agenda....
18:02:08 <bckurera> anyway it will be followed up in apac tract
18:02:11 <bckurera> i ll update it
18:02:14 <herlo> woot
18:02:28 * herlo likes smaller agendas
18:02:34 <herlo> open floor okay now?
18:02:39 <sesivany> bckurera: just close it if you solved it in your region.
18:02:40 <aeperezt> ok
18:02:45 <herlo> #topic Open Floor
18:02:48 <sesivany> herlo: ok
18:02:49 <bckurera> yeah open floor
18:03:01 <bckurera> herlo any update about the FAm program?
18:03:14 <herlo> bckurera: FAm program?
18:03:19 <herlo> you mean FAMA?
18:03:27 <bckurera> yeah
18:03:44 <herlo> bckurera: sure, here's the latest: http://sexysexypenguins.com/2012/11/04/fedora-ambassadors-update-october-2012/
18:03:51 <herlo> I emailed this out yesterday
18:04:28 <herlo> bckurera: unless you are referring to the software I just requested hosting for, ftl. (FAS trac link)
18:04:52 <bckurera> herlo I was thinking for the plans, if there is any changes and kid of things
18:05:16 <sesivany> aeperezt: btw don't you know what happened to dbruno? He hasn't been present at our meetings for very looong time. Is he still active?
18:05:32 <herlo> it's uses fedmsg, fas.client (I think) and trac apis to automate tickets when a fas user requests membership in ambassadors
18:05:57 <herlo> bckurera: only big change is that I do tickets once a week. Otherwise, it's pretty much the same as when kital ran fama.
18:06:06 <aeperezt> sesivany, well I have been wandering the same he has not been active on latam
18:06:25 <herlo> bckurera: however, when ftl is in place, it will be more automatic with me just cleaning up things once a week and doing reporting once a month.
18:06:44 * herlo does need to step away. thanks everyone....
18:06:47 <bckurera> ok thanks a lot herlo youa re doing it good
18:06:55 <herlo> bckurera: thx! :)
18:06:59 <aeperezt> sesivany, he send an email rewarding some latam matter this weekend but basically has not been active, on the email he mention he was busy and plans to reactivate him self
18:07:41 <bckurera> yesh dayjob is killing us :)
18:07:47 <aeperezt> if nothing else should we close the meeting
18:07:52 <aeperezt> bckurera, same here
18:07:54 <sesivany> btw everyone, are you ok with the meeting time after the time change? I'm OK with that, but I heard some teams moved their meeting times.
18:08:21 <bckurera> shall we discuss this on the mailinglist since all are not here
18:08:23 <aeperezt> sesivany, I'm ok
18:08:29 <bckurera> i m ok too !
18:08:49 * bckurera just less than 4-6 meetings to go :)
18:08:52 <herlo> no moving, it's better for me...
18:09:16 <sesivany> ok, no need to bring it up in mailing list from my side.
18:10:19 <aeperezt> ending the meeting if nothing else
18:10:51 <aeperezt> thanks everyone
18:10:57 <aeperezt> #endmeeting