14:59:04 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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14:59:07 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
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14:59:14 <rdieter> #topic roll call
14:59:20 <rdieter> hi all, who's present today?
14:59:39 <rdieter> than_gone, rnovacek, Kevin_Kofler, jreznik, dvratil, kde*foo : ping
14:59:49 * jgrulich is present
14:59:57 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:00:06 <than> present
15:00:08 * ltinkl is present
15:00:31 <dvratil> here
15:01:06 <rdieter> #info rdieter jgrulich Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl dvratil present
15:01:07 * jreznik is here
15:01:21 <rdieter> #info jreznik too
15:01:24 <jreznik> (but not sure he will be available for the whole meeting...)
15:01:32 <rdieter> #chair jgrulich Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl dvratil jreznik
15:01:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil jgrulich jreznik ltinkl rdieter than
15:01:45 <rdieter> jreznik: ok
15:01:51 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:02:11 <rdieter> topics to discuss?  kde-4.9.4 status probably at least
15:02:11 * rnovacek is late here
15:02:28 <rdieter> #info rnovacek present
15:03:13 <dvratil> new KDE Display Management testing release coming this week
15:05:44 <rdieter> ok, let's get started
15:05:49 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.9.4 status
15:06:14 <than> kde-4.9.4 build fot f17/f18 is done
15:06:24 <rdieter> got a f18 bodhi update out yesterday
15:06:53 <rdieter> nucleo hit a couple of quirks, but filed upstream bugs quickly
15:07:27 * rdieter confirmed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311491
15:07:32 <than> f17 bodhi  update created and should be pushed into testing today
15:07:40 <rdieter> excellent
15:08:00 <rdieter> oh, it's all in kde-testing too, by the way
15:08:24 <rdieter> anyone update yet, and have anything good/bad to share?
15:08:57 <rdieter> note, change deadline is tomorrow i believe, so there's a good chance this won't make f18 GA
15:09:19 <Kevin_Kofler> Change deadline is today.
15:09:27 <rdieter> heh, ok
15:09:49 <nucleo> renew subscription spam by cups or kde-print-manager https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885541
15:10:22 <nucleo> oh, sorry this is not related to 4.9.4, maybe later
15:10:24 <rdieter> nucleo: ok, we'll discuss that separately
15:11:32 <rdieter> so, wrt 4.9.4 and f18 GA, anyone think we should do a hard testing push to get this in... or not?
15:12:02 <rdieter> it does happen to finally fix the solid/udisks2 being slow/quirky issue, right?
15:12:25 <nucleo> right
15:12:31 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't see how we can possibly get this in other than karma abuse (i.e. we all +1 it with no testing).
15:12:49 <Kevin_Kofler> There are only a few hours left until the change deadline.
15:12:59 <than> rdieter: solid/udisks2 is fixed in lastest 4.9.4 in f18 now
15:13:03 <Kevin_Kofler> This needs to be queued to stable today if it is to get into GA.
15:13:06 <than> i can confirm the fix
15:13:26 <nucleo> 4.9.4 bug in KMail happens for me but hard to reproduce https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311490
15:13:35 <Kevin_Kofler> It really sucks that FESCo pre-poned the change deadline by a week.
15:13:42 <rdieter> i think the update is currently set to autokarma on 3, fwiw
15:13:48 <Kevin_Kofler> There's no schedule reason for it and it just screws us over. :-/
15:13:58 <rdieter> anyone able to confirm 311490 ?
15:14:41 <rdieter> offhand, it does seem the positives for 4.9.4 outweigh the negatives at the moment
15:15:48 <ltinkl_> I'm all for getting 4.9.4 into F18 GA
15:15:57 <ltinkl_> moreover, there is going to be also 4.9.5
15:16:13 <nucleo> ate least for new setup of IMAP no problem
15:16:19 <Kevin_Kofler> nucleo: As I said before, we need the actual error from Akonadi.
15:16:54 <rdieter> ok, I karma++'d.  i encourage each of you to do some quick sanity tests and consider doing the same
15:17:09 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, it has +2 already ("Critical path update approved"), so we can queue it now if you want.
15:17:10 <rdieter> nucleo: that's good to know
15:17:12 <nucleo> I tried but in messages was no nothing  related to IMAP accounts and all was OK
15:17:32 <rdieter> (the "doesn't affect new accounts" part)
15:17:44 <Kevin_Kofler> So, who's for queuing 4.9.4 for F18 stable NOW?
15:17:46 <Kevin_Kofler> +1 from me.
15:17:48 <rdieter> +1
15:18:04 <dvratil> +1
15:18:10 <jgrulich> +1
15:18:43 <than> i have quickly tested the 4.9.4 on f18, it looks ok for me
15:18:46 <than> +1
15:18:49 <rdieter> i'd feel better, still, if everyone could test, and provide feedback in bodhi regardless
15:18:58 <than> rdieter: +1
15:19:01 <rnovacek> +1
15:19:04 * Kevin_Kofler hits Big Green Button. :-)
15:19:14 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: thanks
15:19:29 <rdieter> i thought the button was red?  (or maybe it should be blue?) :)
15:19:47 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler just updated opensuse
15:19:51 <Kevin_Kofler> It's a green arrow with "Mark Critical Path update as Stable" actually. :-)
15:20:12 <Kevin_Kofler> LOL, openSUSE…
15:20:15 <rdieter> hee.  ok, anything else 4.9.4 related, or can we move on?
15:21:23 <rdieter> moving on...
15:21:31 <rdieter> #topic kde-print-manager spam, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885541
15:21:49 <rdieter> seems to me there's possibly 2 or 3 separate issues going on there
15:21:58 <Kevin_Kofler> So the issue there is that kde-print-manager is frequently renewing its CUPS subscription, and for some reason CUPS spams a log file each time.
15:22:15 <rdieter> print-manager definitely shouldn't be renewing so often, nor should it spam ~/.xsession-errors about it
15:22:18 <Kevin_Kofler> And if it fails, kde-print-manager itself spams error messages each time.
15:22:32 <rdieter> yeah
15:23:29 <rdieter> so, my suggesions in the short-term:  1.  file upstream bug, poke dantti , 2.  squelsh print-manager spam (find the debug/warning statements in code, and do appropriate "fixing".
15:24:09 <rdieter> anyone willing to look at that?  (I probably can later in the week, if no one takes it up by then)
15:24:09 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, IMHO 1. CUPS shouldn't be logging this, at least not in this way and 2. the error case is really PEBKAC.
15:24:22 <Kevin_Kofler> Don't run print-manager without CUPS.
15:24:38 <Kevin_Kofler> IMHO, also the infamous bug 711719 is not a bug.
15:24:39 <nucleo> and idea of cups socket activation becames useless because cupsd started by kde-print-manager even if prinitnig never used
15:24:41 <Kevin_Kofler> .bug 711719
15:24:45 <zodbot> Kevin_Kofler: Bug 711719 [abrt] kdeutils-printer-applet-4.6.3-1.fc15: connection.py:630:call_blocking:DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.47" is not allowed to own the service "com.redhat.NewPrinterNotification" due to security policies in the c - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711719
15:24:50 <Kevin_Kofler> This is a very similar issue.
15:25:10 <Kevin_Kofler> Printing without a printer, or with no permissions to it (#711719), is just broken.
15:25:20 * rdieter agrees is nucleo, making this play nicer with socket activation, if possible, would be nice
15:27:18 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Maybe, but that's also for dannti to look at.
15:27:30 <Kevin_Kofler> *dantti
15:27:47 <Kevin_Kofler> He's online on #fedora-kde right now, we can poke him there.
15:28:07 <rdieter> anyway, the bug is in /topic, for anyone able/willing to take the lead on this now
15:28:21 <rdieter> moving on...
15:28:49 <rdieter> crap
15:28:53 <rdieter> #topic new KDE Display Management testing release coming this week
15:29:09 <rdieter> hee
15:29:15 <dvratil> afiestas is finishing the KDED module so we are planning to make a first release later this week
15:29:24 <nucleo> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311528
15:29:30 <dvratil> I'd like to have this in Fedora ASAP so that we get as much feedback as possible
15:30:36 <dvratil> it's still in testing mode, the GUI will be completely redesigned after new year, but we need more testing and feedback from users regarding functionality
15:30:46 <dvratil> so, that was just a little heads-up :)
15:30:58 <rdieter> dvratil: so some sort of testing release will be made soon?
15:31:19 <dvratil> Thursday or Friday
15:31:30 <rdieter> sorry, "rex can't read" fail. thanks
15:31:37 <dvratil> :)
15:32:09 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:32:20 <rdieter> that's it for agenda items, anything else to mention today?
15:32:42 <rdieter> wrt 4.9.90, still need a review done for nepomuk-widgets (blocks kdepim)
15:32:42 <Kevin_Kofler> So I looked at the kdelibs3 FTBFS.
15:32:56 <Kevin_Kofler> It's using some really old and not really public CUPS APIs.
15:33:01 <Kevin_Kofler> (in kdeprint)
15:33:18 <Kevin_Kofler> It needs fixing for the new CUPS, Trinity has fixes in tdeprint, but I need to backport them (remove the TQ* crap and so).
15:33:28 <Kevin_Kofler> (and do the autocrap parts, because Trinity uses CMake)
15:33:38 <Kevin_Kofler> I'll have this building again ASAP.
15:33:46 <Kevin_Kofler> (Only Rawhide is affected, F18 builds fine.)
15:33:55 <rdieter> ie, where cups-1.6 is. :)
15:34:03 <rdieter> thanks for the update
15:35:10 <rdieter> still need some kde-4.10 kdegames split packaging work too, i'll work on it... eventually, it's currently not near the top of my todo list though, so any help would be appreciated
15:36:00 * rdieter saw queries on kde-release list about kdesdk moving to git soon too
15:36:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, resistance is futile…
15:36:42 <rdieter> we are git
15:39:23 <Kevin_Kofler> Somebody set up us the git. – All your source are belong to us! ^^
15:40:59 <rdieter> ok, let's close out the meeting
15:41:02 <rdieter> thanks everyone
15:41:10 <rdieter> #endmeeting