14:59:04 #startmeeting kde-sig 14:59:04 Meeting started Tue Dec 11 14:59:04 2012 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:59:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:59:07 #meetingname kde-sig 14:59:07 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 14:59:14 #topic roll call 14:59:20 hi all, who's present today? 14:59:39 than_gone, rnovacek, Kevin_Kofler, jreznik, dvratil, kde*foo : ping 14:59:49 * jgrulich is present 14:59:57 Present. 15:00:06 present 15:00:08 * ltinkl is present 15:00:31 here 15:01:06 #info rdieter jgrulich Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl dvratil present 15:01:07 * jreznik is here 15:01:21 #info jreznik too 15:01:24 (but not sure he will be available for the whole meeting...) 15:01:32 #chair jgrulich Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl dvratil jreznik 15:01:32 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil jgrulich jreznik ltinkl rdieter than 15:01:45 jreznik: ok 15:01:51 #topic agenda 15:02:11 topics to discuss? kde-4.9.4 status probably at least 15:02:11 * rnovacek is late here 15:02:28 #info rnovacek present 15:03:13 new KDE Display Management testing release coming this week 15:05:44 ok, let's get started 15:05:49 #topic kde-4.9.4 status 15:06:14 kde-4.9.4 build fot f17/f18 is done 15:06:24 got a f18 bodhi update out yesterday 15:06:53 nucleo hit a couple of quirks, but filed upstream bugs quickly 15:07:27 * rdieter confirmed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311491 15:07:32 f17 bodhi update created and should be pushed into testing today 15:07:40 excellent 15:08:00 oh, it's all in kde-testing too, by the way 15:08:24 anyone update yet, and have anything good/bad to share? 15:08:57 note, change deadline is tomorrow i believe, so there's a good chance this won't make f18 GA 15:09:19 Change deadline is today. 15:09:27 heh, ok 15:09:49 renew subscription spam by cups or kde-print-manager https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885541 15:10:22 oh, sorry this is not related to 4.9.4, maybe later 15:10:24 nucleo: ok, we'll discuss that separately 15:11:32 so, wrt 4.9.4 and f18 GA, anyone think we should do a hard testing push to get this in... or not? 15:12:02 it does happen to finally fix the solid/udisks2 being slow/quirky issue, right? 15:12:25 right 15:12:31 I don't see how we can possibly get this in other than karma abuse (i.e. we all +1 it with no testing). 15:12:49 There are only a few hours left until the change deadline. 15:12:59 rdieter: solid/udisks2 is fixed in lastest 4.9.4 in f18 now 15:13:03 This needs to be queued to stable today if it is to get into GA. 15:13:06 i can confirm the fix 15:13:26 4.9.4 bug in KMail happens for me but hard to reproduce https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311490 15:13:35 It really sucks that FESCo pre-poned the change deadline by a week. 15:13:42 i think the update is currently set to autokarma on 3, fwiw 15:13:48 There's no schedule reason for it and it just screws us over. :-/ 15:13:58 anyone able to confirm 311490 ? 15:14:41 offhand, it does seem the positives for 4.9.4 outweigh the negatives at the moment 15:15:48 I'm all for getting 4.9.4 into F18 GA 15:15:57 moreover, there is going to be also 4.9.5 15:16:13 ate least for new setup of IMAP no problem 15:16:19 nucleo: As I said before, we need the actual error from Akonadi. 15:16:54 ok, I karma++'d. i encourage each of you to do some quick sanity tests and consider doing the same 15:17:09 Well, it has +2 already ("Critical path update approved"), so we can queue it now if you want. 15:17:10 nucleo: that's good to know 15:17:12 I tried but in messages was no nothing related to IMAP accounts and all was OK 15:17:32 (the "doesn't affect new accounts" part) 15:17:44 So, who's for queuing 4.9.4 for F18 stable NOW? 15:17:46 +1 from me. 15:17:48 +1 15:18:04 +1 15:18:10 +1 15:18:43 i have quickly tested the 4.9.4 on f18, it looks ok for me 15:18:46 +1 15:18:49 i'd feel better, still, if everyone could test, and provide feedback in bodhi regardless 15:18:58 rdieter: +1 15:19:01 +1 15:19:04 * Kevin_Kofler hits Big Green Button. :-) 15:19:14 Kevin_Kofler: thanks 15:19:29 i thought the button was red? (or maybe it should be blue?) :) 15:19:47 Kevin_Kofler just updated opensuse 15:19:51 It's a green arrow with "Mark Critical Path update as Stable" actually. :-) 15:20:12 LOL, openSUSE… 15:20:15 hee. ok, anything else 4.9.4 related, or can we move on? 15:21:23 moving on... 15:21:31 #topic kde-print-manager spam, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885541 15:21:49 seems to me there's possibly 2 or 3 separate issues going on there 15:21:58 So the issue there is that kde-print-manager is frequently renewing its CUPS subscription, and for some reason CUPS spams a log file each time. 15:22:15 print-manager definitely shouldn't be renewing so often, nor should it spam ~/.xsession-errors about it 15:22:18 And if it fails, kde-print-manager itself spams error messages each time. 15:22:32 yeah 15:23:29 so, my suggesions in the short-term: 1. file upstream bug, poke dantti , 2. squelsh print-manager spam (find the debug/warning statements in code, and do appropriate "fixing". 15:24:09 anyone willing to look at that? (I probably can later in the week, if no one takes it up by then) 15:24:09 Well, IMHO 1. CUPS shouldn't be logging this, at least not in this way and 2. the error case is really PEBKAC. 15:24:22 Don't run print-manager without CUPS. 15:24:38 IMHO, also the infamous bug 711719 is not a bug. 15:24:39 and idea of cups socket activation becames useless because cupsd started by kde-print-manager even if prinitnig never used 15:24:41 .bug 711719 15:24:45 Kevin_Kofler: Bug 711719 [abrt] kdeutils-printer-applet-4.6.3-1.fc15: connection.py:630:call_blocking:DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.47" is not allowed to own the service "com.redhat.NewPrinterNotification" due to security policies in the c - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711719 15:24:50 This is a very similar issue. 15:25:10 Printing without a printer, or with no permissions to it (#711719), is just broken. 15:25:20 * rdieter agrees is nucleo, making this play nicer with socket activation, if possible, would be nice 15:27:18 rdieter: Maybe, but that's also for dannti to look at. 15:27:30 *dantti 15:27:47 He's online on #fedora-kde right now, we can poke him there. 15:28:07 anyway, the bug is in /topic, for anyone able/willing to take the lead on this now 15:28:21 moving on... 15:28:49 crap 15:28:53 #topic new KDE Display Management testing release coming this week 15:29:09 hee 15:29:15 afiestas is finishing the KDED module so we are planning to make a first release later this week 15:29:24 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311528 15:29:30 I'd like to have this in Fedora ASAP so that we get as much feedback as possible 15:30:36 it's still in testing mode, the GUI will be completely redesigned after new year, but we need more testing and feedback from users regarding functionality 15:30:46 so, that was just a little heads-up :) 15:30:58 dvratil: so some sort of testing release will be made soon? 15:31:19 Thursday or Friday 15:31:30 sorry, "rex can't read" fail. thanks 15:31:37 :) 15:32:09 #topic open discussion 15:32:20 that's it for agenda items, anything else to mention today? 15:32:42 wrt 4.9.90, still need a review done for nepomuk-widgets (blocks kdepim) 15:32:42 So I looked at the kdelibs3 FTBFS. 15:32:56 It's using some really old and not really public CUPS APIs. 15:33:01 (in kdeprint) 15:33:18 It needs fixing for the new CUPS, Trinity has fixes in tdeprint, but I need to backport them (remove the TQ* crap and so). 15:33:28 (and do the autocrap parts, because Trinity uses CMake) 15:33:38 I'll have this building again ASAP. 15:33:46 (Only Rawhide is affected, F18 builds fine.) 15:33:55 ie, where cups-1.6 is. :) 15:34:03 thanks for the update 15:35:10 still need some kde-4.10 kdegames split packaging work too, i'll work on it... eventually, it's currently not near the top of my todo list though, so any help would be appreciated 15:36:00 * rdieter saw queries on kde-release list about kdesdk moving to git soon too 15:36:33 Yeah, resistance is futile… 15:36:42 we are git 15:39:23 Somebody set up us the git. – All your source are belong to us! ^^ 15:40:59 ok, let's close out the meeting 15:41:02 thanks everyone 15:41:10 #endmeeting