15:13:44 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:13:52 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:14:07 <rdieter> hola ladies and gents, who's present for kde-sig meeting today?
15:14:15 <jgrulich> me
15:14:50 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:14:53 <ltinkl> present
15:15:08 * rnovacek is here
15:15:11 <than> present
15:15:27 <dvratil> is here
15:18:20 <rdieter> #info rdieter jgrulich Kevin_Kofler  ltinkl rnovacek  than  dvratil
15:18:26 <rdieter> #chair jgrulich Kevin_Kofler ltinkl rnovacek than
15:18:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jgrulich ltinkl rdieter rnovacek than
15:18:35 <rdieter> #info tdfischer stirring
15:18:40 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:18:45 <rdieter> what to discuss today?
15:18:46 <tdfischer> lol
15:18:50 <rdieter> 4.10 f18 plans
15:21:02 <rdieter> anything else?
15:21:16 * than would plan 4.10.1 for f18
15:21:30 <ltinkl> than: good idea
15:21:53 <rdieter> ok, let's start on that.
15:22:04 <rdieter> #topic kde 4.10.x and f18
15:22:15 <Kevin_Kofler> Any known blockers preventing it?
15:22:32 <Kevin_Kofler> I know about the libkdcraw mess and I want to sort it out tomorrow.
15:22:32 <rdieter> proposal: target initial 4.10.1 for f18
15:22:46 <Kevin_Kofler> Proposal: Fix the blockers and then queue 4.10.0 immediately.
15:23:03 <rdieter> ltinkl: maybe even include the systemd_login1 powerdevil stuff?
15:23:13 <ltinkl> rdieter: yup
15:23:45 <rdieter> ok, I'll make a bz blocker bug to track things
15:23:52 <rdieter> I don't think we have one yet
15:24:23 <rdieter> todo (but probably not blocker): split kdegames 4.10 packaging
15:24:25 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: I never understood the point of waiting just for the sake of waiting. We should track the blockers, and when all are fixed, go ahead.
15:24:38 <Kevin_Kofler> Why wait for .1 just because it's .1?
15:24:55 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: fair enough, we haven't even formally tracked any bugs yet.
15:25:25 <Kevin_Kofler> But IMHO split kdegames packaging is a requirement unless you do a non-split package.
15:25:45 <Kevin_Kofler> Just keeping kdegames at the old version doesn't make sense.
15:26:16 <rdieter> why is that a blocker?
15:26:33 <rdieter> the older kdegames stuff still runs ok
15:26:42 <rdieter> yes it sucks, but nothing *bad* happens if we don't do it
15:27:39 <rdieter> the plasma cache goes "bleh" on upgrade is still a bit of a problem
15:27:44 <Kevin_Kofler> Because 4.10 is 4.10, not 4.10 with parts of 4.9.
15:28:27 <rdieter> we fixed the "krunner can't logout/reboot on upgrade to 4.10" problem.  (yay Kevin_Kofler), probably needs a bit more testing than my *one* try
15:28:58 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, I'm sure that I fixed the problem, so one confirmation is enough for me. ;-)
15:29:11 <rdieter> any other blocker'ish type things anyone notice yet?
15:29:36 <rdieter> first off, how many here are using/testing 4.10 currently?
15:29:49 * rdieter is
15:29:53 * than is using 4.9.5
15:29:55 <jgrulich> me too
15:30:01 * dvratil too
15:30:15 <rdieter> if not, why not yet?
15:30:43 * ltinkl is on 4.10 as well
15:31:02 <ltinkl> apart from the double-suspend and (missing) resuming signal, all good
15:31:09 * Kevin_Kofler just upgraded from 4.8.5 to 4.9.5 this weekend.
15:31:15 <ltinkl> and those should be fixed with yesterday's patch
15:31:27 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler: and _you_ are pushing for 4.10? :p
15:31:40 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: I'd actually want 4.10 for F17 too!
15:31:45 <Kevin_Kofler> And I'd have wanted 4.9 for F16!
15:31:48 <rdieter> gotta say though, this does seem to be the best KDE X.0 release I can remember
15:31:55 <ltinkl> rdieter: +1
15:31:56 <Kevin_Kofler> I miss the time where we actually properly supported Fn-1.
15:32:37 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd have run 4.9 much earlier if it had been pushed to F16.
15:33:41 <ltinkl> ok, who's for 4.10 on F18? (+1 yes, -1 wait for 4.10.1)
15:33:53 <rnovacek> I have one issue with 4.10.0, unlock screen dialog sometimes doesn't have focus on password box
15:34:02 * rdieter got busy with other packaging tasks, like qt5, simon to do kdegames.  any help would be appreciated
15:34:20 <rnovacek> there is upstream bug for that, let me dig it out
15:34:28 <ltinkl> rnovacek: ask dvratil :) multiple monitors? :)
15:34:33 <dvratil> I believe this has been fixed in 4.9.98 or something
15:34:36 <rnovacek> ltinkl: yes
15:34:42 <dvratil> ltinkl, not KScreen fault, luckily
15:34:47 <ltinkl> I know
15:34:55 * rdieter blames systemd somehow
15:35:00 <rdieter> tee hee
15:35:12 <rnovacek> dvratil: it happens a lot less with 4.9.98 but almost always on 4.10.0
15:35:14 * ltinkl blames QML
15:35:18 <dvratil> interesting
15:35:53 <ltinkl> but still a minor problem
15:35:54 <rdieter> rnovacek: once I get the 4.10 tracker bug, let's file one locally (rh bz) to track it
15:36:07 <rnovacek> rdieter: ok
15:36:15 <rdieter> (though honestly that's probably not worth considering as a blocker though)
15:36:42 <ltinkl> I saw another screen locker bug... the DPMS/screensaver doesn't kick in so the dialog stays there forever :/
15:37:11 <rdieter> wrt waiting for 4.10.1 or not, I'd feel better waiting for .1 regardless.  means a bit more polish, and more opportunities to test things
15:37:12 <rnovacek> this one: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311188
15:37:41 * than can help rdieter to package qt5
15:37:55 <rdieter> ltinkl: on fedora-kde list someone mentioned that happened for them too, but seemed to happen only if chrome was running.
15:38:23 <ltinkl> rdieter: oh ye... chrome recently does the KDE inhibition tricks... and probably doesn't release them
15:38:36 <rdieter> that would be my guess
15:38:55 <rdieter> not sure why a browser would care about screensaver inhibition, but meh
15:38:58 <ltinkl> or, the screenlocker-qml should release them all
15:38:59 <Kevin_Kofler> NOTABUG or at least NOTOURBUG.
15:39:16 <ltinkl> rdieter: for fullscreen things, like youtube etc ;)
15:39:18 <Kevin_Kofler> If Chrome is broken, it's Chrome's fault, we can't do anything about it and shouldn't try.
15:39:29 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler: don't think it's broken
15:39:30 <rdieter> ltinkl: exceptions sure, in fullscreen mode, or while playing a video
15:39:36 <ltinkl> rdieter: exactly
15:40:43 <rdieter> than: step 1 is getting qtbase pkg review completed
15:40:52 <ltinkl> it drives me crazy when I'm watching some fullscreen youtube video and have to move the mouse every 30 seconds or so to put the brightness back to max
15:41:29 <than> rdieter: do you have the url?
15:41:59 <rdieter> bug alias qtbase
15:42:01 <rdieter> .bug 878188
15:42:05 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 878188 Review Request: qt5-qtbase - Qt5 - QtBase components - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878188
15:42:56 <rdieter> anything wrt 4.10.x ?
15:43:28 <ltinkl> rdieter: umm that bug with N9/Android phones
15:43:45 <ltinkl> which actually happens only on 4.10 due to udisks2 backend
15:43:51 <rdieter> ah, ok.
15:44:02 * rdieter hurries to open tracker bug
15:44:11 <ltinkl> I partly fixed it already, so the device at least appears
15:44:28 <ltinkl> tomorrow I should have some testing device to finish it :)
15:44:31 <rdieter> i think bz is being extra slow to mock me
15:44:35 * ltinkl looks at dvratil's N9
15:45:04 * dvratil does not have any USB cable at hand
15:45:13 * dvratil will try at home
15:45:47 <rdieter> .bug 907993
15:45:51 <rnovacek> ltinkl: what's the problem with n9?
15:45:56 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 907993 kde-4.10 tracker - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907993
15:45:58 <rdieter> ^^ go nuts
15:46:25 <ltinkl> rnovacek: does it work correctly on KDE 4.10 for you?
15:46:37 <jgrulich> ltinkl: why you can't test it on your android phone?
15:46:41 <ltinkl> (maybe it's just some Android phones, who knows)
15:46:53 <rnovacek> ltinkl: seems so
15:47:06 <ltinkl> jgrulich: mine works fine, it happens only with built-in storage, not SD cards
15:47:29 <rnovacek> ltinkl: mount, open with doplhin, umount works
15:47:48 <ltinkl> rnovacek: Device Notifier too? do you get that popup?
15:48:46 <ltinkl> rnovacek: lol maybe it does because I already fixed it in Fedora builds :)
15:49:06 <ltinkl> rnovacek: do you get the correct storage size in the popup?
15:50:00 <dvratil> just tried with rnovacek's cable...it does not work for me
15:50:16 <Kevin_Kofler> The storage size fix is already in the F18 kde-workspace update that went stable today.
15:50:19 <dvratil> it prompts me a sudo password, Device notifier remain empty all the time
15:50:38 <dvratil> in Dolphin I see the device 2x - once as a partition (mountable, works) and second probably asa device, which cannot be mounted
15:50:41 <dvratil> both called "Nokia N9"
15:51:08 <jgrulich> hm, for me it works, tested with Nexus S
15:51:14 <dvratil> and after unplugging only on of the devices disappeared from Dolphin
15:51:19 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: I think the patch we tested was only against 4.9.x builds
15:51:20 * rdieter checks
15:51:24 <rnovacek> ltinkl: I don't see any storage size in the popup
15:51:59 <ltinkl> dvratil: ye that§s the bug, update :)
15:52:13 <ltinkl> dvratil: rpm -q kde-workspace
15:52:25 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: I'm talking about the 4.9.5-7.fc18 build, indeed. I haven't followed what you did to 4.10. :-)
15:52:31 * dvratil is updating right now...
15:52:43 <rdieter> confirmed, ltinkl I can add that notifier_freespace patch to 4.10 builds too
15:52:50 <Kevin_Kofler> But really, all patches we apply to 4.9.5 really ought to be applied to 4.10.x too, or we are creating a regression!
15:53:00 <ltinkl> rdieter: nope, that's not the one
15:53:20 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: it was for testing-purposes only, awaiting feedback (at the time)
15:53:30 <rdieter> I suppose I could have done just a scratch build instead
15:53:35 <ltinkl> rdieter: actually kdelibs, needs kdelibs-udisks2_2_stage.patch
15:54:12 <rdieter> ltinkl: ok, that one too then :)
15:54:22 <rdieter> ltinkl: don't care about the -workspace one then?
15:54:30 <rdieter> (should I drop it?)
15:54:35 <ltinkl> rdieter: the other part, the correct size, still needs fixing (tomorrow when I have physical access to some testing device)
15:54:52 <ltinkl> rdieter: the other part being in kde-workspace
15:55:13 <rdieter> I'll just do the 2_stage.patch for now then
15:55:24 <ltinkl> rdieter: you backported kdelibs-udisks2_2_stage.patch for a scratch build but I don't see a relase for that
15:55:51 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: "the other part, the correct size, still needs fixing" → Oops, I guess we should have pulled it out of those kde-workspace builds. :-/
15:56:15 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler: it does no harm, I will just (hopefully) update the patch tomorrow
15:56:25 <Kevin_Kofler> The F18 one is already in stable, but I can revoke the push request I put in for the F17 one after the last push if you want.
15:58:07 <rdieter> kdelibs-4.10.0-2 build underway
15:58:38 <ltinkl> rdieter: great
15:59:06 <ltinkl> rdieter: we'll sort it out tomorrow with dvratil and rnovacek
15:59:11 <rdieter> k
15:59:49 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, great.
16:01:19 <rdieter> about of time, any last thoughts?
16:01:23 <rdieter> out of time even
16:03:10 <rdieter> ok, thanks everyone!
16:03:12 <rdieter> #endmeeting