21:00:02 <sesivany> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2013-02-27
21:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 27 21:00:02 2013 UTC.  The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:00:08 <sesivany> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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21:00:14 <fedora_richie> .fas fedora_richie
21:00:15 <zodbot> fedora_richie: richardvj11 'Richard Vijay' <richard.vijay@gmail.com>
21:00:15 <sesivany> #topic Roll call
21:00:20 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
21:00:21 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
21:00:22 <jamielinux> .fas jamielinux
21:00:22 <fedora_richie> .fas fedora_richie
21:00:23 <puiterwijk> .fas puiterwijk
21:00:23 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
21:00:23 <zodbot> jamielinux: jamielinux 'Jamie Nguyen' <j@jamielinux.com>
21:00:24 <tatica> .fas tatica
21:00:26 <zodbot> fedora_richie: richardvj11 'Richard Vijay' <richard.vijay@gmail.com>
21:00:28 <anishjp> .fas anishjp
21:00:29 <zodbot> puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick "くらとみ" Uiterwijk' <puiterwijk@gmail.com>
21:00:31 <fedora_richie> .fasinfo richardvj11
21:00:32 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
21:00:35 <zodbot> tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' <tatadbb@gmail.com>
21:00:37 <dglaros> .fas dimitrisglaros
21:00:38 <zodbot> anishjp: anishjp '' <anishjp@gmail.com>
21:00:41 <zodbot> fedora_richie: User: richardvj11, Name: Richard Vijay, email: richard.vijay@gmail.com, Creation: 2011-02-08, IRC Nick: fedora_richie, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 0x6528562A, Status: active
21:00:44 <zodbot> fedora_richie: Unapproved Groups: gitinstall-guide l10n-editor
21:00:47 <zodbot> fedora_richie: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done news cla_fpca ambassadors fedora-uk
21:00:53 <zodbot> dglaros: dimitrisglaros 'Dimitris Glaros' <dimitrisglaros@gmail.com>
21:02:08 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
21:02:08 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
21:02:23 <zoltanh721> .fas zoltanh721
21:02:23 <zodbot> zoltanh721: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
21:02:29 <sesivany> 10 ppl already, nice, let's wait for others for a few more minutes.
21:03:10 <thunderbirdtr> .fast thunderbirdtr
21:03:16 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
21:03:16 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
21:03:20 <sesivany> cwickert: are you going to join us?
21:03:26 <thunderbirdtr> good night everyone
21:04:30 <sesivany> ok, let's start...
21:04:40 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
21:05:04 <sesivany> does anyone have an announcement?
21:05:11 <gnokii> yes
21:05:15 <gnokii> !
21:05:20 <sesivany> gnokii: go ahead
21:06:05 <gnokii> the Design Team searches for the supplemental wallpaper for f19 so look at ur photos if you not find one and tell good artists you know
21:06:23 <gnokii> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F19_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpapers
21:06:25 <gnokii> eof
21:06:39 <sesivany> #info the Design Team searches for the supplemental wallpaper for f19 so look at ur photos if you not find one and tell good artists you know
21:06:52 <sesivany> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F19_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpapers
21:06:59 <sesivany> gnokii: thank you for the info.
21:07:29 <sesivany> this is a way how your picture could end up on screens of many Fedora users.
21:07:49 <sesivany> I've got one announcement, too....
21:08:16 <sesivany> we have a contest for the best F18 release party in EMEA...
21:08:27 <sesivany> all parties have taken place AFAIK
21:08:35 <robyduck> sesivany: no
21:08:43 <robyduck> 5th march Naples
21:08:57 <sesivany> robyduck: thank you for correcting me.
21:09:14 <robyduck> eheh, will be the winner!
21:09:37 <sesivany> anyway, I've found reports only from two at the wiki. We can't really judge the party if there is no report provided.
21:09:59 * giallu is around now
21:10:06 <sesivany> please write the report and attach it to the party in the list of Fedora events or on the event wiki page.
21:10:35 <sesivany> you can win $80 for the organizing team to have a nice dinner.
21:11:47 <sesivany> #info write a report about your release party and attach it to the event on Fedora Project's wiki. We'll choose the best party in EMEA at the next meeting. You can win $80 for dinner.
21:12:25 <sesivany> and one more announcement...
21:12:48 <sesivany> I know there are several requests for ambassadors polo shirts pending...
21:12:58 <sesivany> we've run out of them
21:13:45 <sesivany> now we have a new vendor which is much cheaper and that enables us to provide the polo shirts for free to all new ambassadors as welcoming gift.
21:13:58 <giallu> have you got the sample from them?
21:14:20 <sesivany> but bear with us, it's going to take several weeks to make another batch of them.
21:15:12 <sesivany> giallu: I'm going to ask for one in a few days. But they produced polo shirts for DevConf and it's really good quality. They can also provide the same polo shirt we've used so far.
21:15:29 <giallu> very good
21:16:06 <sesivany> #info we're currently out of ambassadors polo shirts. We are going to produce a new batch in several weeks.
21:16:18 <sesivany> anything else to announcements?
21:17:15 <sesivany> ok, let's move on then...
21:17:25 <sesivany> #topic Requests
21:17:34 * sesivany is checking the trac
21:18:31 <sesivany> I'm going to take care of #218 tomorrow...
21:19:07 <sesivany> the request #219 is going to be a bit more complicated...
21:19:15 <sesivany> https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/219
21:19:28 <sesivany> I just sent a package to Jordan and it was fucking expensive.
21:19:58 <sesivany> the university with 6000 students is switching to Fedora which is awesome...
21:20:20 <sesivany> but I just sent them several hundred DVDs, caps, mugs,...
21:20:40 <sesivany> and the shipping was... believe or not $500
21:20:48 <giallu> ugh
21:21:00 <giallu> was it a container?
21:21:02 <nb> wtf?
21:21:05 <giallu> :)
21:21:10 <anishjp> hmm
21:21:12 <zoltanh721> wtff??
21:21:13 <robyduck> hu?
21:21:16 <thunderbirdtr> pfff
21:21:20 <sesivany> I'm currently searching for cheaper solutions because DHL and Fedex are just too expensive to ship to such countries.
21:21:34 <nb> sesivany, what about the post?
21:21:51 <gnokii> post == DHL
21:21:51 * nb uses USPS when i send internationally and it gets sent to the other country's postal service
21:22:17 <sesivany> but I have no other option currently because Red Hat facilities allows only Fedex or DHL and I have no community credit card to use any other service.
21:22:23 <nb> oh
21:22:38 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, is it must ?
21:22:39 <sesivany> so now I'm pushing our facilities to use the post.
21:23:11 <sesivany> because the post is approx. 3-4 times cheaper than DHL.
21:24:04 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: now, unfortunately yes. But I made very clear to the facilities that it is not affordable for us, so hopefully we'll get the post option soon.
21:24:11 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, you can be select a post or airmail (I was used and not so much or not so less It was medium price )
21:25:00 <sesivany> DHL was awesome because I shipped it on Fri and it was delivered on Mon in Jordan, no problems with customs at all. And we usually have huge problems with them in such countries. But the price is too much.
21:25:23 <thunderbirdtr> that's also right.
21:25:58 * nb thought at one time there was a way where people with a non-OSAS credit card coould use their RH credit card and then transfer it to osas cost center?
21:26:04 <sesivany> moreover from March we have a budget and there is only $4k for shipping for the whole year, so we have to find a cheap solution anyway.
21:27:02 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, in e.g If I request 1000 CD + other things in same number to TR what will happen ?
21:27:09 <sesivany> nb: I was never able to do that. Technically, it's possible, but it's so complicated that our accountants would kill for that.
21:27:14 <nb> sesivany, oh ok
21:27:42 <sesivany> nb: I've been promised a community credit card many months ago, nothing has changed yet :/
21:28:52 <sesivany> ok, let's move on, I just wanted to let you know that shipping to non-EU countries is currently very expensive for us and I have to suspend it until we find a cheaper service.
21:29:12 <sesivany> hopefully I'll be able to solve it soon.
21:29:14 <gnokii> mmh, thought topic is tickets
21:29:54 <sesivany> gnokii: yes, I was talking why we can't satisfy #219
21:30:17 <dglaros> !
21:30:22 <dramsey> :)
21:30:38 <sesivany> dglaros: go ahead
21:30:50 <dglaros> hum
21:31:21 <dglaros> if we produce the dvd in local vendor
21:31:43 <dglaros> i thing is cheeper
21:31:57 <dglaros> if we have recuest for 1000 dvd
21:32:01 <dglaros> eof
21:32:36 <sesivany> dglaros: in such situation, it might be even cheaper. It doesn't make sense for EU countries because shipping to them is relatively cheap, but it might make sense for others.
21:32:53 <giallu> another solution could be to find the EU country with the cheapest fare for shipping to these countries and send swag there first.
21:33:07 <sesivany> dglaros: on the other hand, it brings a lot of more problems, so I'd like to work on making the shipping cost less.
21:34:11 <sesivany> ok, let's me try the post service which is much cheaper. we'll see.
21:34:23 <anishjp> but I guess, it was the mugs (heavy) that made the shipping cost higher!
21:34:58 <sesivany> anishjp: yes, but DVDs are also heavy...
21:35:16 <sesivany> ok, let's move on, we've spent enough time on this.
21:35:19 <fedora_richie> !
21:35:35 <sesivany> fedora_richie: if it's to this topic, please quickly.
21:35:40 <fedora_richie> eof
21:36:25 <sesivany> ok, the next topic is #222
21:36:59 <sesivany> gnokii is asking for $391 for Libre Graphics Meeting for three of our contributors.
21:37:08 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/222
21:37:17 <sesivany> gnokii: do you have anything to say?
21:37:38 <gnokii> think have said every thing in the ticket, if there are questions shoot
21:39:08 <sesivany> gnokii: I pretty much have no problem with that. The only thing is that we have a budget for the next fiscal year. We currently don't even know if it's going to be accepted and this is not even in the budget. How long can you wait with this to know the decision?
21:39:20 <robyduck> gnokii: 290€ for three days for three persons, right?
21:40:04 <twohot> .fas twohot
21:40:04 <zodbot> twohot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
21:40:24 <zoltanh721> greetings onyeibo
21:40:26 <gnokii> robyduck: first of all lgm goes 4 days, and a lot have a long ride to go there so we will arrive a day before and definitly not going home direct after the last talk
21:41:12 <gnokii> and yes the 290€ are for all 3, for each 96€
21:41:35 * robyduck thinks it's a pretty nice solution
21:42:07 <sesivany> gnokii: I don't think robyduck is question the price, I think he just wants to make clear what the price is for.
21:42:18 <sesivany> gnokii: I think it's a good price.
21:42:35 <robyduck> sesivany: +1
21:43:10 <gnokii> sesivany: about the waiting time, its hard to say
21:43:30 <robyduck> !
21:43:55 <sesivany> I propose to support the request, but since we don't know what money we're going to have for the next fiscal year, I suggest we let rbergeron who is the ultimate Fedora budget owner approve it, too.
21:44:46 <sesivany> because we can't promise money we currently don't have, someone would have to pay it if we won't have them, and the one will be rbegeron.
21:45:54 <sesivany> who is for approving the ticket if it's also approved by our FPL rbergeron?
21:45:58 <sesivany> +1
21:46:50 <robyduck> +1
21:46:57 <anishjp> +1
21:47:11 <dglaros> +1
21:47:14 <jamielinux> +1
21:47:14 <gnokii> +1
21:47:36 <fedora_richie> +1*
21:47:40 <zoltanh721> +1
21:48:14 <sesivany> ok, it's approved by emea community, I'll ping rbergeron to approve it, too, the it can be considered approved.
21:48:15 <thunderbirdtr> +1
21:49:06 <sesivany> #info funding request #222 was approved by emea community with the condition that it's also approved by rbergeron.
21:49:51 <sesivany> ok, that's all to requests... uff, we spent too much time on them, let's move on.
21:50:22 <sesivany> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
21:50:44 * sesivany is looking for it...
21:53:06 <sesivany> does anyone have a clue where it could be?
21:53:14 <sesivany> because it's not where it used to me
21:53:25 * sesivany will have to ask jreznik tomorrow.
21:53:48 <zoltanh721> no clue - I can't find either
21:53:50 <gnokii> http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-ambassadors-tasks.html
21:54:07 <sesivany> gnokii: great, thanks a lot!
21:54:15 <sesivany> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-ambassadors-tasks.html
21:54:53 <zoltanh721> thx
21:55:04 <sesivany> as you can see there is nothing scheduled for ambassadors for the next month.
21:55:11 <sesivany> so I think we can move on.
21:55:29 <zoltanh721> go ahead
21:55:38 <sesivany> #topic Events
21:55:53 * sesivany is checking the list of events...
21:56:56 <sesivany> gnokii: do you know anything about planning for CLT?
21:57:09 <gnokii> a little bit
21:58:16 <sesivany> gnokii: I told mhroncok to ask for the funding request for gas to get to Chemnitz. He's coming, right?
21:58:54 <gnokii> yes, he is coming, he will use the gym for sleeping thats free for exhibitioners including breakfast
21:59:28 <sesivany> gnokii: yeah, he told me he needed to cover just gas.
21:59:47 <gnokii> u remember we had a discussion about that ticket
22:00:06 <sesivany> fedora_richie, jamielinux: btw you've got LinuxCon Europe in a wrong quarter ;-)
22:00:17 <fedora_richie> eek
22:00:22 <jamielinux> sesivany: Say again?
22:00:27 <jamielinux> sesivany: Is there a wiki page or?
22:00:33 <fedora_richie> my fault.. but couldnt find a row that far
22:00:43 <sesivany> jamielinux: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY14_Q1_.28March_2013_-_May_2013.29_2
22:01:03 <jamielinux> sesivany: Ah, I didn't realise fedora_richie had put that up.
22:01:44 <fedora_richie> will edit it and correct it
22:01:47 <sesivany> gnokii: yeah, there should be money for him in the budget, but he still needs to file a ticket to get it approved.
22:01:55 <sesivany> fedora_richie: thank you!
22:02:11 <gnokii> sesivany: ok, will he file it or should I do it?
22:02:36 <sesivany> gnokii: he will. If not, I'll remind him. I'll see him on Fri.
22:02:52 <gnokii> ok
22:03:14 <sesivany> btw we had Developer Conference 2013 last weekend. 700 ppl attended.
22:03:29 <sesivany> and a lot of Fedora contributors
22:03:50 <sesivany> we had an ambassadors dinner on Fri and there were about 20 ppl.
22:04:19 <sesivany> from CZ, Germany, Switzerland, Russia, Netherlands, UK, USA,...
22:04:39 <sesivany> nice event
22:04:43 * jamielinux is sad he missed out this year, but will definitely be there next year
22:04:59 <fedora_richie> ill join in next year too
22:05:09 <zoltanh721> that proves that deserves an serious fudcon
22:05:17 <sesivany> and thanks gnokii we had great design for the conference ;-)
22:05:57 <gnokii> yeah gnokii would like to have such a cool shirt which he designed
22:06:07 <sesivany> zoltanh721: DevConf is currently much bigger than FUDCon, but FUDCon EMEA has its charm, too.
22:06:36 <gnokii> !
22:06:44 <sesivany> gnokii: go ahead
22:07:23 <gnokii> we have also to plan linuxwochen vienna, the cfp is open they already requested that i doing workshops again
22:07:35 <zoltanh721> !
22:07:58 <gnokii> so sesivany any chance to support me in vienna?
22:08:02 <gnokii> eof
22:09:31 <sesivany> gnokii: I'll have to think about some topic to talk about. I don't know if I have any right now and I don't want to talk about the same stuff as last year.
22:09:45 <sesivany> gnokii: but I'll definitely spread the word.
22:10:08 <gnokii> think would also nice to present 3d print there
22:10:23 <fedora_richie> wow reprap
22:10:25 <zoltanh721> agree
22:11:21 <sesivany> gnokii: ok, I'll tell mhroncok... he'll go from a conference to a conference. We want him for LinuTag in Berlin, too. He was also at DevConf :)
22:11:49 <fedora_richie> gnokii: i can help, i come from other end ie experience in rapid prototyping
22:12:40 <sesivany> gnokii: it'd be good to create a wiki page and let people who are interested in attending LinuxWochen sign up.
22:12:43 <gnokii> fedora_richie: isnt that expensive flying u from uk to vienna? sesivany and the brno band is nearer
22:13:12 <gnokii> sesivany: ok, will do that
22:13:20 <fedora_richie> gnokii: just to help you in prep for speech or presentation on emails
22:13:43 <gnokii> fedora_richie: I dont speak about 3d printing ;)
22:13:49 <sesivany> gnokii: there are super cheap flights with Ryanair from London to Brno or Bratislava, so I don't see it as a big problem.
22:14:04 <gnokii> i know was only 90€
22:14:13 <gnokii> +17€ for bus
22:14:20 <fedora_richie> sesivany: next year on card.. noe this year..
22:14:26 <fedora_richie> thanks though
22:15:08 <sesivany> ok, anything else to events? is there anything that is not listed on wiki?
22:15:39 <zoltanh721> sesivany: as the 10th bday arrives - no plans for huge fudcon or such?
22:15:47 <sesivany> robyduck: I wish you luck with the last release party, you're doing a great job in Italy!
22:16:02 <robyduck> sesivany: thanks :)
22:16:16 <robyduck> we have all in place and are ready for Naples
22:16:34 <sesivany> zoltanh721: there are plans, but it's all pending on the budget and until the budgeting in RH is done, we won't know.
22:17:23 <zoltanh721> ok thx eof
22:17:42 <sesivany> but if there is a superfundcon, the first one will most likely be in the US, so very expensive for us :-/
22:17:52 <zoltanh721> aaargh
22:17:59 <gnokii> no fingerprints from me
22:18:25 <sesivany> ok, let's move to the next topic.
22:18:40 <sesivany> #topic Action items from previous meetings
22:18:48 <sesivany> there is only one...
22:19:04 <sesivany> UNDONE sesivany to ask the new vendor to produce a sample of ambassador's polo
22:19:07 <sesivany> but I'm working on that
22:19:20 <sesivany> I'll ask for it by the end of this week
22:19:49 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
22:19:58 <fedora_richie> ! any vendor selection criteria page on wiki  eof
22:20:00 <fedora_richie> ?
22:21:27 <sesivany> fedora_richie: I don't think there are any selection criteria. We chose this vendor because he's much cheaper than the previous one and he's also proved because he's produced several orders for Red Hat.
22:21:35 <fedora_richie> ! any vendor artifact comparision and selection criteria page on wiki?
22:22:54 <sesivany> fedora_richie: but general rule is: go ahead, find your vendor, ask for quotes and if they are ok and others agree, go ahead and have stuff produced because now we produce less swag than we could.
22:23:45 <fedora_richie> should i attempt to try a criteria page to formalise this process..? a beautihul but 20 grams more cup will cost more /postage ?
22:24:44 <fedora_richie> eof
22:25:42 <sesivany> fedora_richie: I'm not sure if I want to put any red tape there. We haven't had problems with bad vendors so far and I want to encourage people to take part in producing swag. Making criteria and conditions could discourage them.
22:26:16 <fedora_richie> agreed
22:26:41 <fedora_richie> eof
22:27:15 <sesivany> fedora_richie: the thing is that I produce 90 percent of all swag for emea and cwickert 10 percent, we're quite experience in it and don't know any help and we want to encourage others as much as we can. So no red tape.
22:27:35 <sesivany> know->need
22:28:58 <fedora_richie> great appreciate your contribution sesivany: cwickert:
22:29:08 <fedora_richie> eof
22:29:10 <sesivany> fedora_richie, jamielinux: can I count on you with LinuxCon? it's one of 4-5 most important events in EMEA. We should do proper planning for that.
22:29:41 <fedora_richie> yep. sesivany:
22:30:15 <jamielinux> sesivany: Yes
22:30:46 <sesivany> I think three ambassadors will be enough. So you and maybe affix, who is from Scotland, or some experienced ambassadors from EMEA.
22:31:24 * gnokii fedora tartan
22:31:46 <sesivany> gnokii: that'd be cool :)
22:32:32 <gnokii> expensive
22:32:56 <sesivany> gnokii: I know
22:32:57 <nirik> just FYI, we are doing reboots in fedora infrastructure, so zodbot might go away in bit. :) we can try and hold off for you to finish your meeting tho if needed.
22:33:30 <sesivany> nirik: ok, I'll finish it very soon.
22:33:38 <nirik> no problem
22:33:57 <sesivany> ok, let's end the meeting to let the zodbot reboot :)
22:34:21 <sesivany> thank you for coming, everyone! see you in 2 weeks!
22:34:26 <fedora_richie> good night to zodbot ;)
22:34:32 <sesivany> #endmeeting