15:00:32 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:00:36 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:00:40 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:00:47 <rdieter> hi all, who's present today?
15:00:53 <jgrulich> present
15:00:55 <mbriza> present
15:00:59 <dvratil_> hi
15:01:12 <than> present
15:01:33 <than> lukas is sick
15:01:36 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:02:05 * jreznik is here
15:02:15 <rdieter> #info rdieter jgrulich dvratil_ than Kevin_Kofler jreznik present
15:02:17 <jgrulich> ltinkl is in a car service
15:02:27 <rdieter> #info ltinkl sends regards
15:02:38 <jreznik> jgrulich: so in reality, his car is sick :)
15:02:39 <rdieter> #chair jgrulich dvratil_ than Kevin_Kofler jreznik
15:02:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil_ jgrulich jreznik rdieter than
15:02:57 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:03:10 <rdieter> agenda, Kevin_Kofler already suggested f17/kde-4.10.1 topic
15:03:25 <rdieter> at the end, can discuss test day results
15:03:59 <rdieter> anything else?
15:04:04 <than> multilib issue
15:04:13 <than> in index.cache.bz
15:04:53 <than> i saw some kde apps which have this problem
15:05:18 <rdieter> ok
15:05:26 <rdieter> let's get started...
15:05:41 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.10.1 for f17, ready for stable updates?
15:06:00 <rdieter> any remaining issues or reservations to pushing kde-4.10.1 stable for f17?
15:06:04 <Kevin_Kofler> So, the F18 version is already stable, the F17 one has the required karma too now, so IMHO, ship it!
15:06:06 * rdieter has none
15:06:37 <rdieter> i feel better giving it at least a few more days (than f18)
15:07:07 <Kevin_Kofler> It's had those now. :-)
15:07:37 <rnovacek> plasmate is not yet in f17 -> no plasmoidviewer available
15:07:52 <Kevin_Kofler> It's in testing, same as on F18.
15:08:00 <rnovacek> or is it part of the update?
15:08:04 <Kevin_Kofler> If you want us to push it to stable, karma it up to at least 1. :-)
15:08:37 <rdieter> rnovacek: submitted separately, in updates-testing
15:09:06 <rnovacek> it used to be in -workspace, so it's regression if it gets pushed separately
15:09:12 <rdieter> we decided a week (or 2) ago not to consider plasmate a blocker
15:09:27 <rnovacek> someone asked for it today in #fedora-kde
15:09:47 <rdieter> (since it's a developer tool, developers can just as easily fetch it from kde repos or updates-testing)
15:09:53 <rnovacek> rdieter: ok, sorry, didn't know that
15:10:00 <rdieter> but karma/testing can indeed speed it's move to stable updates too
15:11:04 <rdieter> any other comments wrt f17 (good or bad)?
15:11:29 * rdieter readies pushing the big red button
15:12:28 <than> rdieter: i have updated to 4.10.1 on my test machine without any issue.
15:13:11 <jreznik> is anyone really using it on f17? I still think kde repo is better for it for people who really wants f17 with 4.10 but seems I'm in minority
15:13:26 <rdieter> jreznik: i've been using it awhile, but I don't count
15:13:30 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: At this point the decision has been made.
15:13:36 <rdieter> we've gotten some feedback on kde list too
15:13:41 <Kevin_Kofler> It's only a matter of when now.
15:13:55 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: I know decision was made, I'm just curious how confident we are
15:13:57 <Kevin_Kofler> We aren't going to let it linger in testing forever.
15:14:07 <jreznik> rdieter: well, I 100% trust you - so you count :)
15:14:20 <rdieter> just noticed, according to bodhi, the f17 update has only been public (pushed to updates-testing), since 2013-03-12 08:26:5
15:14:27 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: for me it's bad it even hit testing :)
15:14:42 <rdieter> barely just a week still.
15:15:16 <Kevin_Kofler> It's been in kde-testing for longer than that.
15:15:28 <Kevin_Kofler> And it has the required karma.
15:16:02 <rdieter> yes, I know, just mentioning it for full disclosure.  i personally thought it had been longer
15:16:32 <rdieter> not that I expect any particular f17-specific bugs to jump out and surprise us at this point
15:17:14 <rdieter> ok, I'll queue it in ~15-20 minutes when I get a chance
15:17:16 <rdieter> moving on...
15:17:29 <rdieter> #topic multilib index.cache issues
15:17:31 <jreznik> ok, do ti
15:17:46 <rdieter> than: your topic
15:19:17 <than> i saw the multilib issue in some kde packages
15:19:24 <than> kate, kdf, kgamma, kwallet, audiocd-kio
15:19:40 <than> it's in index.cache.bz2
15:20:10 * rdieter thought all those core kde packages were *supposed* to be fixed now
15:20:27 <rdieter> :(
15:20:37 <than> imo we can make the html doc as noarch package
15:21:02 <rdieter> right, i'd suggest in general a best practice is to simply avoid possible problems by making some noarch common/doc subpkg
15:21:13 <than> or use the workaround with sed what we used in kdelibs
15:21:22 <rdieter> actually, that won't "fix" it... won't koji fail the build?
15:21:27 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, won't the build fail if you do a noarch subpackage and it's different between arches?
15:21:34 <Kevin_Kofler> Right.
15:21:45 <rdieter> though I'd consider a koji failure highlighting the problem better than surprises later
15:21:48 <Kevin_Kofler> I think we need to use the sed hack unless/until upstream fixes it.
15:22:37 <rdieter> so, I'd suggest filing bugs to document problems, ping/cc tosky
15:22:44 <than> Kevin_Kofler: imo make noarch package is cleaner
15:22:45 <rdieter> and apply workarounds in the meantime
15:24:47 <Kevin_Kofler> than: We need the sed hack even if we do the noarch subpackage, see above.
15:26:26 <than> Kevin_Kofler: why do we need the sed hack? it's noarch package
15:26:27 <rdieter> yeah, we'll hit that the hard way eventually. :)
15:26:43 <rdieter> than: koji enforces that noarch content be identical across different archs
15:26:56 <rdieter> and fails builds if not
15:26:57 <than> rdieter: ah ok
15:27:53 <than> i will take care of those packages
15:28:33 * than thinks there're still a lot of kde packages which have this issue
15:28:47 * than is still investigating and fixing
15:29:38 <than> it's all from my side
15:29:46 <than> next topic please
15:31:21 <Kevin_Kofler> Is there a next topic?
15:31:38 <rdieter> #topic kde test day results
15:32:20 <rdieter> just wanted to mention we got some (not a lot) test day results to triage.
15:32:42 <rdieter> on the the test day wiki page, and in the form of newly filed bugs
15:34:14 <rdieter> that's all.
15:34:49 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:34:54 <rdieter> anything else for today?
15:35:37 <Kevin_Kofler> Not from me.
15:38:33 <rdieter> (I got disconnected for about 2 minutes there, did I miss anything?)
15:38:50 <rdieter> else, let's end the meeting
15:38:50 <Kevin_Kofler> No.
15:38:55 <rdieter> k, thanks everyone!
15:38:57 <rdieter> #endmeeting