15:01:29 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:01:33 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:01:40 <adamw> #topic roll call
15:01:42 <adamw> morning folks
15:01:47 * nirik is lurking.
15:01:49 * satellit listening
15:01:52 * kparal cheers
15:01:54 * mkrizek is here
15:02:14 * brunowolff is here
15:02:20 * jskladan tips his hat
15:03:02 * j_dulaney sets down the banjo
15:03:11 * tflink is present
15:03:21 * jreznik is here
15:03:24 * pschindl is here
15:03:28 <jreznik> morning adamw!
15:03:38 <adamw> wow, guess i can't sleep through this one huh
15:04:36 <adamw> #topic Fedora 19 Alpha status
15:05:00 <adamw> so, everybody touch wood, but we're actually looking pretty good
15:05:09 <adamw> #info current blocker list: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/19/alpha/buglist
15:05:16 * j_dulaney doesn't have any wood around.
15:05:57 <adamw> there's only three proposed blockers (which don't look likely to be accepted) and two possible issues in the accepted blockers
15:06:37 <jreznik> we were able to figure out initial-setup one in the morning
15:07:24 <adamw> right - this is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=929403 , it was 'fixed' but the fix was incorrect
15:07:29 <adamw> we're currently getting the fix corrected
15:07:39 <jreznik> it has to be verified now
15:07:41 <adamw> then there's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928279 , it looks like some progress has been made there
15:08:25 <jreznik> we have at least a clue and also - it was moved from F15 beta blocker to NTH that time and we have several workarounds...
15:08:45 <jreznik> I'm not sure how to fix properly... the second option should be doable
15:09:07 <adamw> yeah, we can re-discuss it at the blocker meeting and see if we want to drop blocker status
15:09:26 <adamw> #info 929403 and 928279 are known to be 'outstanding' blockers
15:09:52 <adamw> dgilmore is out today unfortunately so we may have to wait till tomorrow for a compose
15:10:03 <adamw> #info dgilmore is out today, may not be able to get next compose until tomorrow
15:10:39 * jreznik is not sure pbabinca would be able to create compose, could ask (in case we would need it)
15:11:04 <adamw> nirik is usually the backup
15:11:14 * nirik could try if need be
15:11:33 <brunowolff> It's not good that only one person is trusted (in the knows what to do sense) to do composes.
15:11:38 <jreznik> adamw: yep I know, the idea is that palo could help us in out timezone too (to make the process faster when needed)
15:11:42 * nirik has access and can do them
15:11:50 <adamw> ah
15:11:59 <adamw> so, looking at test coverage, we're not looking too bad
15:12:18 <adamw> we could do with testing some USB installs to bare metal, and UEFI too
15:13:12 * j_dulaney will work on the USB
15:13:21 * satellit need someone else to try bare metal USB install and confirm what I saw
15:13:32 <adamw> yeah, i suspect that'll be just your system'
15:13:52 <adamw> well, I had issues with a dd'ed usb stick the only time i tried now i come to think of it, so maybe not. but litd worked okay.
15:14:00 * satellit always worked before
15:14:34 <adamw> okay
15:14:38 * j_dulaney had no problem the last time he tested dd live to USB
15:14:48 <adamw> we only need either dd or litd to work at alpha though, so even if dd is busted it's not a disaster. but it'd be good to check
15:15:05 * j_dulaney is dding even now
15:15:32 <adamw> it doesn't look like we need karma for any of the testing fixes except https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/initial-setup-0.3.4-3.fc19 (which should probably go along with a systemd build) and https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libreport-2.1.3-2.fc19 (we're waiting for a compose to test that one)
15:15:45 <adamw> i suppose we really should get a compose done with libreport in it to make sure that fix works...
15:15:57 <adamw> #info karma needed for https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/initial-setup-0.3.4-3.fc19 and https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libreport-2.1.3-2.fc19
15:16:13 * satellit did netinstall of cinnamon 1 hr ago saw initial-setup on reboot
15:16:27 <jreznik> satellit: but with improper fix
15:17:10 <jreznik> (actually I'd argue it wasn't as bad as 3/4 of services are still using the F17 way...)
15:17:35 <adamw> jreznik: well the biggest problem was that it didn't conditionalize the service enablement to happen only on first install
15:17:38 <jreznik> also I should ask FPC to make the new "enabled by default" way more visible in the guidelines
15:17:45 <adamw> but anyhoo.
15:18:45 <jreznik> adamw: it's just a bad time for initial setup handover to vratislav, especially as it's a completely new software... :(
15:19:56 <adamw> jreznik: can you ask vpodzime to edit the new systemd build into the initial-setup update?
15:20:09 <adamw> so, add systemd-200-4.fc19 to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/initial-setup-0.3.4-3.fc19
15:20:42 <jreznik> adamw: sure, I was thinking about it but guys were faster than me
15:20:46 <adamw> =)
15:20:47 <adamw> okay
15:20:58 <adamw> does anyone have anything else on 19 Alpha? any significant issues we're not considering?
15:21:20 <jreznik> hmm, he already left
15:22:03 <jreznik> adamw: do you have rights to do it in bodhi? actually I think I could do it too...
15:22:25 <adamw> i don't have superpowers in bodhi, but nirik could if need be
15:22:45 * nirik nods. just let me know what you need.
15:23:17 <nirik> I'm doing a f19-updates-testing push right now, can edit after that
15:23:18 <jreznik> for Alpha - Go/No-Go is currently scheduled on Apr 11 17:00 UTC (about to send reminder), Readiness meeting on the same day, two hours later - 19:00 UTC
15:23:23 <jreznik> nirik: thanks
15:24:12 <adamw> #info go/no-go is scheduled for Thursday at 17:00 UTC
15:24:25 <adamw> #topic Test Days
15:24:35 <adamw> looks like we're short a martix
15:25:16 <adamw> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-02_OpenStack and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing both went ahead last week, some decent involvement in the printing test day
15:25:35 <adamw> and good lord, i need to design some sort of autocannon system for people who write essays in the margin notes
15:25:43 <kparal> I'm building LiveCDs for this week's test day
15:26:20 * j_dulaney tried with openstack; it kept borking, so gave up
15:27:47 <adamw> did you report how it borked?
15:29:13 * j_dulaney did
15:29:39 <adamw> yay!
15:29:47 <adamw> then all went according to plan.
15:30:07 <adamw> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n) is coming up on Thursday, kparal is preparing live images
15:30:11 <adamw> #chair jreznik kparal
15:30:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw jreznik kparal
15:30:37 <adamw> the test day page is in order, l10n/i18n folks have their own setup
15:32:28 <adamw> anything else on test days?
15:34:46 <adamw> i guess not!
15:34:49 <adamw> #topic open floor
15:34:54 <adamw> that's all we have for the agenda
15:34:58 <adamw> anything else t odiscuss?
15:35:38 <j_dulaney> .bacon
15:35:38 <zodbot> I love bacon, you love bacon, WE ALL LOVE BACON!! (except for NiveusLuna, who was tragically attacked by bacon as a child.)
15:36:02 <kparal> spam 'n' eggs?
15:36:06 <tflink> blocker review meeting @ 16:00 UTC
15:36:08 <adamw> #info there is general approval of bacon
15:36:17 <tflink> -1
15:36:22 <adamw> yeah, we're following up with a blocker review meeting in #fedora-blocker-review
15:36:24 <adamw> .fire tflink
15:36:24 <zodbot> adamw fires tflink
15:36:30 <adamw> #info tflink was fired for disapproving of bacon
15:36:52 * tflink will never understand the obsession with bacon
15:37:32 <j_dulaney> Bacon == life
15:37:34 <adamw> THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, FLINK
15:37:49 <tflink> the last time I ate bacon, I was sick for the rest of the day
15:38:07 <tflink> oh well, to each their own
15:38:12 <misc> tflink: your lack of faith in bacon is disturbing
15:38:53 * jreznik is getting hungry!
15:39:36 <tflink> misc: more disturbing than bacon flavored for the potty-mouthed bacon lover (http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/da14/)?
15:39:44 <tflink> bacon flavored soap
15:39:46 <adamw> alrighty, let's give everyone 20 minutes to go and eat some bacon
15:40:01 <adamw> then we re-convene in #fedora-blocker-review to blow through the blocker list
15:40:03 <j_dulaney> .moar bacon adamw
15:40:03 <zodbot> here adamw, have some more bacon
15:40:37 <adamw> thanks for coming, folks
15:40:39 <adamw> #endmeeting