15:00:44 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00:44 Meeting started Mon Apr 15 15:00:44 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:46 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:50 #topic Roll call 15:00:52 morning folks, who's a roll? 15:00:56 * tflink is here 15:01:14 * mkrizek is here 15:01:16 * randomuser` is lurking around, why not 15:01:26 * satellit listening 15:01:34 * jskladan lurks 15:01:36 * brunowolff is here 15:03:11 but are you rolls?! 15:03:41 rofl? 15:04:02 * jreznik is roll 15:05:28 ahem 15:05:32 morning everyone 15:05:38 #topic fedora 19 alpha status 15:06:04 soo, we're not looking too bad 15:06:38 TC6 testing looks pretty solid (or am I missing anything)? and we just have the remaining EFI bug to zap, really 15:07:01 there's a few more proposed blockers we'll deal with at the review meeting right after this meeting 15:07:15 * satellit_e adamw: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=949761#c22 EFI install worked on MacBookPro i7 with litd USB 15:07:19 anyone have any issues/concerns for alpha? 15:07:21 satellit: thanks 15:08:33 Is there a warning about using very old graphics cards and gnome? 15:09:02 not really 15:09:07 That doesn't look like it is going to work for alpha and those people should be steered to something like XFCE. 15:09:18 how do you mean, "isn't going to work"? 15:09:26 llvmpipe is working fine so far as I know. do you mean blacklisted cards? 15:09:41 brunowolff, I'm intending to make such a statement in the the release notes and/or install guide, fwiw 15:09:47 * Viking-Ice lurks 15:09:54 llvmpipe doesn't work on at least one of my old machines. 15:10:28 The second old machine also doesn't get into gnome, but that might be due to something other than llvmpipe. 15:10:33 for that one outstanding bug we need some evidence that clearing efivars could help as looking on LKML, fix is still under review... mjg59 should know more, I hope, pls 15:10:53 is the size of the efi partition being checked along with proper configuration and removal of files on kernel updates? 15:11:46 and the correct mount path or is just people checking installing with uefi and if they can boot ? 15:11:49 Now my machines are really old and don't have sse2 instructions, which may only be a small subset of machines with old graphics cards. 15:12:09 jreznik: tc6 already has the fix that cleans out pstore - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=950709 15:13:12 adamw: yes, I know - but it could be still tricky - as it could require up to two reboots... 15:13:14 brunowolff: oh, right, the sse2 bug. 15:13:28 so you're more talking 'old CPU and blacklisted gfx card'. 15:14:02 Viking-Ice: the idea is - abrt will report dumped crashes and reports them + anaconda will clean it up at install time 15:14:32 Yes. 15:14:36 now the question is why some people see empty pstore and dumps in efivars I'd say reading the latest comments in the bug 15:14:45 Viking-Ice: this isn't about the EFI system partition where kernels live 15:15:20 ok did not know to what extend we where testing efi 15:15:51 Viking-Ice: it's about some space in the NVRAM, which the OS can actually write stuff to 15:16:18 and combination of several conditions... 15:16:27 jreznik: well, because of 947142. which is where we came in. 15:18:42 #info TC6 is out and testing so far looks reasonably positive, we are mostly waiting on a fix for 947142 now 15:19:07 #info randomuser is planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes 15:19:40 ah 15:19:57 help me out on the blacklisted cards bit 15:20:00 that's the question - if we really need a fix for 947142 or not - if it really makes that difference for most of the systems, there are reports just wiping out dumps from efi are enough :) 15:20:24 adamw, i was thinking more of a generic 'if you have a less powerful machine, use a lighter DE' 15:20:58 jreznik: oh, i see. good question, i guess we can send out a call for more uefi testing again 15:21:07 #action adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6 15:21:57 anything else for alpha? last call for alpha. 15:23:06 yes, we really need a fix for 947142. 15:23:52 If for no other reason than it basically means on many machines you can't re-test more than once. 15:24:18 * pschindl is here (I stuck in the treffic jam) 15:24:32 pjones: even with the fix that wipes efivars at install time? 15:24:56 that may sometimes help, but it's not a 100% sort of thing 15:25:25 secure boot is great for people with alzeimers 15:25:29 it's a fix that should make the reported size more "correct" as far as I understand it so you can end with the same problem 15:26:38 you cant get enough of peoples faces once they realixe they forgot the encription password 15:27:22 ...okay. 15:27:29 pjones: alright, thanks. we'll keep waiting for the fix then 15:28:43 adamw: I can't pretend I understand the problem, but still I'd go with that - please retest and to collect results as see my comment above... 15:28:51 sure. 15:29:43 pjones: do you have any news on the status of the fix, btw? or better apply to mjg59? 15:29:57 I think it's this one https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/9/828 15:30:04 you'll have to ask the kernel team about the fedora kernels, but he has posted something 15:30:35 jreznik, that's stale. 15:31:37 so aiui as soon as the patch is acceptable to upstream, we can pull it into our kernel and rebuild, right jwb? 15:31:43 http://paste.fedoraproject.org/7458 was the thing he was saying worked earlier 15:31:53 but, again, jwb's answer trumps mine ;) 15:31:57 adamw, basically, yes 15:32:01 okay. 15:32:06 pjones: thanks much 15:32:10 afaik, we won't even have to carry it long 15:32:39 #info mjg59 is still refining the 947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we can pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild 15:33:15 jwb: would it be possible to carry it only for now even it's not completely accepted by upstream but it will turn out to help us now? 15:33:19 no 15:35:07 ok 15:35:30 alrighty, moving on 15:35:33 #topic Test Days 15:36:25 it doesn't look like much happened for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_%28l10n%29 . I missed that one, I was probably panicking about alpha. 15:36:31 anyone have any info there? 15:37:58 (crickets) 15:39:22 so I guess that's a "no" :) 15:39:28 anyone want an action item to follow up on it? 15:40:13 I can do it 15:40:42 #info we're unsure whether Translations (l10n) test day happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled / re-organized 15:40:50 #action jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day 15:40:52 thanks jaro 15:41:15 two other test days are scheduled this week - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-18 (freeipa) 15:41:23 I guess I'd better try and check up on those 15:41:32 and send out some publicity etc 15:42:10 adamw: i know that pm testday will happen :) IMHO we'll have the usual 'public' testday during openhouse 15:42:38 what's this shiny new feedback tool? 15:42:49 #info power management test day looks well set up, we just need to send out announcements 15:43:21 #info freeipa page is mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors 15:45:10 i guess that's all for test days 15:45:15 anything else? 15:45:40 adamw: maybe restart discussion about TCs after RCs as we hit it now... 15:45:57 i'm not sure we have time for that talkfest before blocker review 15:46:14 but if someone wants to bring it up in open floor, sure 15:46:15 at least to poke it on ml... 15:46:28 i meant 'anything else about test days', though, while we're still on the test day topic. 15:46:36 ok, sorry 15:47:16 sounds like that's a negatory 15:47:18 #topic open floor 15:47:27 anything for open floor? anyone keen for a talkfest? :) 15:47:59 * jreznik would like to avoid talkfest :) maybe mailing list is now better option 15:48:52 sure 15:50:07 someone tell us a jokje 15:50:09 also a joke 15:51:17 You know that one about canadian lumberjack? ;) 15:51:39 heh 15:52:12 welp, if that's all we got, everyone go get a beefy miracle and join us again in #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the hour for some AWESOME BLOCKER REVIEW FUN 15:52:41 * adamw sets quantum fuse 15:53:04 Canadian lumberjack's favourite sushi? The long roll... 15:53:23 Damg autocorrect *log roll 15:53:29 ba-dum tish 15:53:45 jskladan will be here all week or until the customers throw him out, tip your server! 15:54:06 * jskladan quits in shame! 15:54:12 adamw: Patches appear to look good to upstream now 15:54:17 mjg59: yay! 15:54:20 Just posted them for further review 15:54:22 so we can maybe get a kernel today? 15:54:36 Maybe! 15:54:55 yay 15:55:20 and on that positive note...thanks for coming, all 15:55:22 #endmeeting