14:29:59 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:29:59 Meeting started Mon Jul 1 14:29:59 2013 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:29:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:29:59 #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:29:59 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:29:59 #topic Roll Call 14:30:12 * Capesteve is here 14:30:25 * pbokoc too 14:30:57 #info randomuser is late and will have to buy the coffee after 14:31:34 * pkovar is here 14:32:44 * jsmith is half-here 14:33:18 okay, we'll get through this quick 14:33:34 #topic Beats, Notes, Changes 14:33:34 * jjmcd_ 14:34:18 we should start tracking the Change proposals jreznik is putting together 14:34:55 that means clearing the wiki pages, clearing the master branch of release-notes.git, and taking assignment of the bugs 14:35:11 * LoKoMurdoK here 14:35:25 any volunteers for wiki or git maintenance? 14:36:45 #action randomuser to clear master branch of RNs 14:37:21 i'll probably end up doing the other thing too, but I want to get to guides 14:37:29 randomuser: it's a bit slower than I expected and not many changes were submitted so far, clearing the old f19 postponed ones... 14:37:47 but I hope for next week I'll have everything setup and I'll let you know 14:38:01 thanks, jreznik 14:38:07 for features - do we have a list of deprecated stuff somewhere? for the announcement 14:38:24 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F19_release_announcement 14:38:59 I don't have such a list, no 14:40:04 * jreznik neither and I'm not aware of anything significant now, I'll try to dig a bit, otherwise I'll remove it 14:41:18 i'll think it over and let you know if I come up with anything 14:41:25 #topic Guide status 14:41:28 * jhradilek sneaks in. 14:41:47 #info a few guide subtopics to cover today 14:41:53 #topic Guide status - systemctl 14:42:14 So, I really think that we should migrate our guides to systemd :) 14:42:53 there are many places where we use `service $daemon start` instead of the systemctl invocation 14:43:15 which is fine - it works, after all - but it reads like we're out of date 14:43:40 For the record, the System Administrator's Guide is already systemd-friendly, but there are other tools that should be documented: datetimectl, hostnamectl, localectl, etc. 14:44:02 hostnamectl is done 14:44:04 * randomuser nods 14:44:11 sysadmin guide is well on the way 14:44:18 Capesteve: You rock, sir. 14:44:32 randomuser: You too, thanks a lot for your reviews. 14:44:51 thanks, jhradilek 14:44:55 I don't bring this up to try to give out work assignments 14:45:06 timedatectl {reading about that this morning} 14:45:26 I've got cycles to spare now that RNs are done, and I can tackle something else 14:45:41 and this seems minimally intrusive 14:46:01 Capesteve: pondrejka already wrote the documentation for localectl and timedatectl. :) 14:46:16 oh! 14:46:23 I just need to review it and apply his patches on master. 14:46:28 i see 14:46:39 #info interested guide owners should ask for randomuser to help convert their guides for systemctl 14:47:09 Installation Guide only seems to be mostly converted for systemd, I found some mentions of /sbin/service, but mostly it's systemctl. 14:47:15 + there's F.9. Administering services with systemd 14:47:52 pbokoc, that was my last 'update for systemd' sprint :) 14:48:15 randomuser, hehe, ok :) 14:48:26 okay, point made 14:48:34 the power management guide is mixed too, I'll fix that in a sec 14:48:55 if you have a guide, I'll help bring it up to speed in that regard 14:49:03 #topic virt guides 14:49:26 jhradilek, you might be best suited to help with this one 14:49:55 How can I help? 14:50:00 I created an instance on transifex over the weekend for the virtualization admin and deployment guide 14:50:25 there isn't an instance for either the virt security guide or the virt getting started guide 14:51:06 the rhel doc that the getting started guide came from has a zanata instance with no work done in it 14:51:33 is there any reason we shouldn't put these guides on transifex ang get them translated 14:51:36 ? 14:53:35 silence implies consent? 14:53:42 Not that I know of. 14:54:07 I can check verify that with lnovich, but I am pretty sure we can go ahead and start translating it in Zanata. 14:54:13 *transifex 14:54:13 these are all new guides, I'm assuming it was an oversight 14:54:52 As far as I know, the Installation Guide is one of the few guides that do not use transifex on purpose, but that is an exception, not a rule. 14:55:12 jhradilek, it would be great if you could check in with lnovich 14:55:22 Will do. 14:55:26 dmparker seems to be the maintainer, though 14:55:33 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table 14:55:44 pkovar: I'll check all virt guides. 14:55:52 And report back to you, randomuser. 14:55:52 jhradilek, ping back and I can do the creating and pushing if needed 14:55:58 appreciated 14:56:39 * jhradilek adds an item to his todo list. 14:56:42 Deployment Guide? In Fedora? 14:57:06 long ago... 14:57:18 ignore me 14:57:36 bah, we're running out of time 14:57:36 {virt Deployment Guide} 14:57:48 #topic Outstanding Bugs 14:57:56 #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 14:58:14 #info please mail the list if you need help with bugs 14:58:25 (and also Virtualization Security Guide is not being translated atm) 14:58:37 d'oh 14:58:50 according to the table 14:59:10 ... i need to update that table for the VDAG to, i guess 14:59:19 VADG? 14:59:56 Virtualization Administration and Deployment Guide, right 15:00:14 pkovar, yes :) I put that one on transifex this weekend 15:00:31 * adamw clears throat 15:00:32 and we already have https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedoravirtgettingstartedguide/ 15:00:40 I wanted to see if it would inheret strings through the translation memory 15:01:02 pkovar, I didn't see that! 15:01:15 * randomuser glances at adamw 15:01:24 let's clear the floor before he gets angry 15:01:31 #endmeeting