04:00:52 #startmeeting APAC 2013-07-06 04:00:52 Meeting started Sat Jul 6 04:00:52 2013 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:54 APAC Fedora energy 04:00:59 .fas dramsey 04:00:59 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:01:08 #meetingname APAC meeting 2013-07-06 04:01:08 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_meeting_2013-07-06' 04:01:13 #topic Init process 04:01:18 hi 04:01:21 .fas maktrix 04:01:22 maktrix: mak 'Mahay Alam Khan' 04:01:23 Please use .fas to introduce yourselves 04:01:27 .fas ankursinha 04:01:28 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:01:34 .fas kushal 04:01:35 kushal: kush4l 'Kushal Sakurdeep' - kushal124 'Kushal Khandelwal' - kushalkaur 'Kushal Kaur Sardar' - kmrkushal 'kumar kushal' - spallion 'kushal kant goyal' - kushal119 'kushal J. Gujarati' - kushal 'Kushal Das' - kushalsingh 'Kushal Pal Singh' (1 more message) 04:01:38 * nirik waves at the apac fedora folks. :) 04:01:44 .fas pravins 04:01:45 pravins: pravinsp 'Pravin Patil' - pravins 'Pravin Satpute' 04:01:51 you can also use .hellomynameis yourfasname 04:01:55 * FranciscoD steals nirik's bacon 04:01:57 .fas MarkDude 04:01:58 MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' 04:02:05 .fas izhar 04:02:05 KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' 04:02:16 .fas jurankdankkal 04:02:16 jurank_dankkal: jurankdankkal 'Prima Yogi Loviniltra' 04:02:26 .hellomynameis kushal 04:02:29 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 04:02:34 * FranciscoD doesn't see KageSenshi carrying any light sabers yet 04:02:40 :/ 04:02:41 haha 04:02:46 xD 04:02:50 KageSenshi: I'm not going to forget that! :P 04:02:53 .fas suresht 04:02:54 suresht: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:02:58 FranciscoD, :P 04:03:05 hello all :) 04:03:13 #chair KageSenshi kushal suresht pravins dramsey MarkDude 04:03:13 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude dramsey kushal pravins suresht 04:03:22 #info tuanta won't make it. He's travelling. Sends regrets. 04:03:28 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-22#Agenda 04:03:37 agenda is here 04:03:51 As always, please use !,?,EOF 04:03:59 #topic Announcements 04:04:11 Fedora 19 is out! Please spread the word, if you haven't already. 04:04:16 Release parties are up! 04:04:34 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F19_release_events 04:04:55 Any one else have any announcements? 04:05:04 since I'm around I want say salute to all APAC member on the meetins 04:05:10 .fas aeperezt 04:05:11 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 04:05:15 #chair aeperezt 04:05:15 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude aeperezt dramsey kushal pravins suresht 04:05:34 aeperezt: thank you for being with us. Is there anything from FAmSCo that you'd like to announce? 04:05:50 (Tuan generally does the announcing) 04:05:50 #chair maktrix 04:05:50 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude aeperezt dramsey kushal maktrix pravins suresht 04:05:57 FranciscoD, not in particular 04:06:01 FranciscoD, we might have a small event in Pune, but mostly for contributors 04:06:25 ;) 04:06:32 kushal: Great. Would you need support? You know the drill. Please file a trac ticket etc. :) 04:06:49 #info Small event in Pune for contributors in the future 04:06:55 FranciscoD, if we need anything, then I will fill a ticket :) 04:07:05 Sure. 04:07:08 If there aren't any other announcements, I'll move to the next topic. 04:07:14 ! 04:07:21 maktrix: go 04:07:27 I'm going to arrange first ever release party outside of capital city 04:07:34 next friday 12tj July 04:07:39 ! 04:07:42 maktrix: wiki page yet? 04:07:47 in Chittagong, the port city of Bangladesh 04:07:52 jurank_dankkal: after maktrix goes EOF 04:07:53 was sick due to mild stroke 04:07:59 will be doing right after the meeting 04:07:59 eof 04:08:12 maktrix: I hope you're better now? 04:08:16 +1 04:08:20 #action maktrix put up wiki page for event 04:08:23 jurank_dankkal: go 04:08:25 FranciscoD: sorry I'm little bit lag here.. 04:08:26 the left part of the face is need some therapy though 04:08:54 I'm planning to host FAD in Indonesia, in order to celebrate Fedora19, here the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Klaten,_Indonesia_2013 04:09:02 maktrix: please, take care of yourself. Do let us know if we can help you in anyway, event wise or otherwise :) 04:09:14 eof 04:09:18 jurank_dankkal: FAD or release event? 04:09:26 +1 04:09:29 As in, will there be work done here? 04:09:34 Or is it a celebration? 04:09:42 * maktrix thanks FranciscoD , sure thing 04:09:43 If you label it a FAD, the reimbursement process changes. 04:10:18 FranciscoD: the event will be more like FAD I think if just an Release Event.. 04:10:37 jurank_dankkal: FADs cannot be approved and funded by the normal budget, so you'll have to do a little more running around. Please keep this in mind and plan accordingly. 04:10:49 FADs are funded by the premier events budget 04:10:58 jurank_dankkal: please speak to tuanta and clarify the budgeting part 04:11:04 can you see to my wiki page first, I'm little bit confused with the event name, should I put FAD or release event.. 04:11:10 #action jurank_dankkal please speak to tuanta and clarify the budgeting part 04:11:16 ya the budgeting more than USD1000 04:11:27 oke thanks FranciscoD 04:11:36 ! 04:11:42 jurank_dankkal: as a general rule, if it's a bunch of fedora contributors sitting together to work on Fedora stuff, it's a FAD 04:11:48 otherwise a fedora related event 04:11:56 MarkDude: after jurank_dankkal goes EOF 04:12:28 I think jurank_dankkal is in lag. MarkDude please go 04:12:31 it will be involve some of fedora local contributor and also local LUG 04:12:31 Delivereables are key word for FADs. As far as making things for Fedora- there is more to it, that is a short version 04:12:35 eof 04:12:35 I mean proveed. 04:12:46 MarkDude: ++ 04:12:54 basically a FAD needs to get work done :) 04:13:04 +1 04:13:12 jurank_dankkal: okay. We'll keep an eye on this. Please keep us up to date with your plans :) 04:13:23 +1 04:13:27 #topic Review action items from last meeting 04:13:33 oke FranciscoD 04:13:54 1. Please update the ticket #70 with your ideas on the subject asap 04:14:06 +1 04:14:09 bckurera isn't here, so we won't discuss this. Please go over it whenyou have the time 04:14:21 2. tuanta to open a new ticket to discuss more about organizing real get-something-done FADs in APAC 04:14:32 Reassigning to tuanta. I know he's working on this. 04:14:38 #action tuanta to open a new ticket to discuss more about organizing real get-something-done FADs in APAC 04:14:51 3. FranciscoD think of what feedback we can collect from participants in this workshop 04:15:06 Well, I've sort of given a list of what an event report should contain on the list earlier today. 04:15:19 More definite list required though 04:15:36 #action FranciscoD think of what event reports should cover 04:15:43 * FranciscoD looks around for uddinet 04:15:55 #action udinnet announce event date for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Technical_Seminar_with_F18_University_of_Rajarata 04:16:04 maeniel udinnet Suresht nangthang *everyone*: if you're interested in helping with budgets, please volunteer with a comment on ticket 79 04:16:06 intro, summary of activities, photos, ? 04:16:07 ^ Finished 04:16:10 +1 lightsabers (for ALL regions) eof 04:16:16 +1 04:16:17 +1 04:16:21 KageSenshi: at *least* 04:16:35 Item already completed. suresht etc are helping tuan with the budget 04:16:46 #action mark item as *done* -> maeniel udinnet Suresht nangthang *everyone*: if you're interested in helping with budgets, please volunteer with a comment on ticket 79 04:16:53 KageSenshi to buy everyone light sabers ;) 04:16:54 FranciscoD, thats the least i guess .. but maybe optional pics .. i kept forgetting to take pics of my events xD .. 04:16:58 Still pending. 04:17:02 * FranciscoD glares at KageSenshi 04:17:08 or someone took them, but i cant find them .. 04:17:10 #action KageSenshi to buy everyone light sabers ;) 04:17:14 lol 04:17:18 >.< 04:17:21 +1 04:17:25 +1 04:17:32 That's all. Next topic ;) 04:17:35 +1 04:17:38 ! 04:17:40 suresht: go 04:17:41 xD 04:17:56 .ticket 87 04:17:57 suresht: #87 (cvs commit fails to send email to owner) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/87 04:18:03 eof 04:18:09 sorry 04:18:12 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/87 04:18:17 eof 04:18:25 suresht: coming to it, hold on 04:18:29 #topic trac tickets 04:18:42 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/87 04:18:49 "Contents of a event box for APAC" 04:19:04 .fas kishan 04:19:04 kishan: kishanpant 'Kishan Datt Pant' - harikishan 'harikishan mitharwal' - lakkoju 'Harikishan' - kishan 'Kishan Goyal' - kishanrajdev047 'Kishan Rajdev' 04:19:19 Since hanthana and azneita might come down to AU for LCA, I'll try and get them an event box here for a fedora booth. 04:19:28 Please leave your comments on the ticket 04:19:33 +1 04:19:36 +1 04:19:38 dramsey: KageSenshi do you think we have enough info to discuss this ticket today? 04:19:52 Or should be let more folks comment and discuss it next time? 04:19:56 ? 04:20:22 dramsey: go 04:20:33 +1 for more comments and discuss on July 20th, eof. ;) 04:20:37 FranciscoD, what actually need to be discussed ? 04:21:02 dramsey, +1 04:21:26 KageSenshi: well, we need to decide on the stuff that should go in basically 04:21:49 after that, we'll try and find folks who can go out and actually put them together 04:21:58 (and take responsibility of maintaining them) 04:22:21 FranciscoD, imo the list in your comment is already pretty good :) 04:22:28 +1 04:22:47 Great. We'll discuss it next time then, with tuan around to give us a budget perspective 04:22:53 ok 04:22:58 +1 04:23:02 +1 04:23:08 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/82 04:23:17 "Let the CC holder assign a particular day of the week as "Reimbursement day"" 04:23:22 We don't have a CC holder yet. 04:23:34 FAmSCo is working on this though. 04:23:47 and rh want it to be a rh-employee .. right? 04:23:56 It's easier for a Redhat employee to get the CC, yes. 04:24:22 I think Ruth is looking into this. Probably will have more time to look at it after flock finishes. 04:24:28 Again, tuan has details 04:24:44 That's all the tickets we can discuss today 04:24:54 Any other tickets that aren't in report 9? 04:25:05 * FranciscoD waits a minute 04:25:32 #info Electromech planning a release event 04:25:35 * FranciscoD forgot that one 04:25:40 Okay, next topic 04:25:43 #topic Open floor 04:25:53 Any miscellaneous items to discuss? 04:25:58 * FranciscoD has one 04:25:59 ! 04:26:02 ! 04:26:05 ! 04:26:08 FranciscoD, go 04:26:18 :p 04:26:36 Thanks. I'm personally disappointed with the way the poster competition was handled. 04:26:52 Even after we discussed that the original background was not to be used, the rep went ahead and reused it. 04:27:19 If you've followed the thread, I've requested the rep to change it (again). 04:27:46 When this event was approved, it was understood that the initial background was not to be used. 04:28:06 In the future, I do not intend to give my vote to such events. I'd like to keep events FOSS specific. 04:28:14 +1 04:28:18 EOF 04:28:20 * suresht was thinking the same 04:28:23 +1 04:28:23 +1 04:28:28 ! 04:28:31 kushal: go 04:28:33 FranciscoD, I am suggesting to de-approve that event 04:28:49 kushal: I'm not for that. 04:29:05 before also I asked in my blog about not associating Fedora brand into this 04:29:10 We agreed to sponsor the event, and we should stick to it this time IMO. 04:29:18 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2013-July/002200.html is one email can tell a lot. 04:29:22 kushal: the event wasn't the issue, the way the rep handled it was. 04:29:39 FranciscoD, it seems the event is also a issue 04:29:45 s/a/sn/ 04:29:50 *an 04:30:08 I do understand wanting to de-approve the event, but I would not do it this time. It'll just make more noise, not something I want on this issue at all. 04:30:10 I was trying convey that message from beginning 04:30:41 kushal: if you read the thread, a lot of community members were okay with the theme of the event 04:30:55 Even kital said that the event was okay, but the way it was handled needed a lot of work. 04:30:56 FranciscoD, read the legal list thread 04:31:06 I have 04:31:21 There is no decision on it yet, and no policy in place at the moment. 04:31:26 FranciscoD, there are lots of causes which are very much valid 04:31:35 Once the policy is in place, we'll enforce them 04:31:39 but they are not Fedora's cause to fight 04:31:41 +1 04:31:47 Please continue this discussion. I need to leave 04:31:52 ! 04:31:54 dramsey: can you please chair the rest of the meeting? 04:31:59 suresht: can you please send out the logs 04:32:03 FranciscoD, so you want to take this a way through the rules and keep it approved ? 04:32:05 ;) 04:32:08 * FranciscoD apologises 04:32:17 FranciscoD, you people should have some guidelines then if you approve an event and then if that event was handled in wrong way. 04:32:23 kushal: yes, if the text is changed as per our feedback, I intend to approve it. 04:32:25 +1 Ankur, thank you for coming and chairing man. 8-) 04:32:37 FranciscoD, sure :) 04:32:41 +1 04:32:41 paragan: we trust our ambassadors to work in a certain manner 04:32:47 FranciscoD, we the rest of Fedora India community saying against it 04:32:47 +1 04:32:57 It dint' work this time, but we're not going to add a clause for deapproval. 04:33:05 Anyway, I'll discuss it on the ML 04:33:17 +1 04:33:23 More publicity is the answer? 04:33:39 then you are leaving behind a loophole to misuse Fedora events and budgets 04:33:50 ! 04:33:55 and also allowing people to use it 04:34:27 that seems unlikely, too much attention 04:35:21 masta, after the amount time/work we put up in the last 10 years in India for Fedora community 04:35:27 I think we need a stronger hold on how Fedora's name is being used in events such as these 04:35:41 we really think one event is enough to take us many steps back 04:35:59 In general, I agree with kushal, most of the Indian community isn't happy with this 04:35:59 agree 04:36:02 and surprising thing is still there no apologies or anything. .. 04:36:14 Yes, MarkDude 04:36:19 This should be dropped and support of a contrib can be considered for their next event, imho 04:36:30 the egg has already been broken 04:36:50 +1 100%, we need to move forward. 04:36:52 The way to un event this involves bringing this to a Project wide talk- thats not gonna help here 04:36:55 and also to notice, that the same person is removed from that group admin roles and etc due to this 04:37:32 * MarkDude lives near SF. you know where Im coming from. But I put it aside - and ask others to PLEASE move on. Judge on the next event- :) 04:37:33 we can spend the money in a better way, this can not be a way to waste Fedora's budget 04:37:34 eof 04:38:04 +1 MarkDude, very solid and cool approach. 8-) 04:38:13 When I read the words in that link today, I was shocked... was hoping to see some posters made by women or LGBT about open source things I what I got was hate speech about India... that is not tollerable in my opinion. So my stance is let this end, and implement policies to help prevent that sort of result in the future 04:38:32 +1 04:38:35 +1 04:38:40 +1 04:38:45 +1 04:38:57 #1 being getting feedback from peers eof 04:39:04 * inode0 suggests ambassadors carefully read the trademark guidelines and ask questions if they aren't clear 04:39:06 +1 04:39:16 +1 inode0 and MarkDude 04:39:25 +1 04:39:30 ambassadors are not exempt from abiding by the trademark guidelines 04:39:58 +1 04:40:08 and if you have questions about the trademark guidelines, email logo@fedoraproject.org or legal@fedoraproject.org 04:40:22 inode0: +1 04:40:26 +1 inode0 and ianweller. I appreciate your information. 04:40:27 ;) 04:40:36 * ianweller goes back into hiding 04:40:41 hahaha 04:40:43 lol 04:40:45 :D 04:40:47 :D 04:41:20 Move forward? 04:41:21 We will continue our protest against approving this event 04:41:27 dramsey, yes please 04:41:31 Thank you. 04:41:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-07-06#Open_Floor 04:42:18 I hope that those interested in some of the entries listed, especially Fedora 19 Release Parties and Events as well as future developments. 04:42:41 FYI https://www.coursera.org/course/startup free Startup Engineering info. eof 04:42:49 Other thoughts on Open Floor? 04:43:13 dramsey, not form me. 04:43:20 nope 04:43:25 APAC's FY14 Q2 (June 2013 - August 2013) Events - 04:43:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY14_Q2_.28June_2013_-_August_2013.29_2 04:43:26 eof 04:43:37 #chair maktrix 04:43:37 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude aeperezt dramsey kushal maktrix pravins suresht 04:43:43 Moar release parties- and Geeknics- everyone have a picnic 04:43:48 +1 MarkDude 04:43:49 potluck~ 04:43:52 hahaha 04:44:00 F19 potluck in KL anyone? 04:44:01 xD 04:44:05 +1 04:44:19 I'm in KageSenshi 04:44:30 #chair jurank_dankkal 04:44:30 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi MarkDude aeperezt dramsey jurank_dankkal kushal maktrix pravins suresht 04:44:38 jurank_dankkal, ok .. just need to set a date then .. and someone to help spamming around .. 04:44:45 potluck 0 budget anyway 04:44:46 xD 04:44:50 +1 04:44:53 +1 04:44:53 how about next week? saturday? 04:45:01 In two weeks or one week? 04:45:13 Usually two weeks, so 20th but we could do 13th if interested? 04:45:32 owh next week already fasting month 04:45:32 Do people want 13th or 20th??? 04:45:45 20th. 04:45:54 jurank_dankkal, yeap .. or maybe a break-fast potluck :P .. 04:46:34 Other information or close meeting "early?" 04:46:40 ! 04:46:43 KageSenshi: +1 04:46:48 Yes, maktrix 04:47:04 as my fedora19 release party was approved in quarterly budget, do I need to wait for next APAC meeting? 04:47:11 or I go with wiki and other norms 04:47:13 eof 04:47:41 Good question, was there an APAC-Trac Ticket associated with it? When is the F19 party??? 04:47:54 no Trac until now 04:47:56 ! 04:48:08 Yes, jurank_dankkal 04:48:13 the other City want it ASAP 04:48:17 understood maktrix. 04:48:21 maktrix, approved first then go...if you requesting budget. 04:48:21 they don't want to fade away the cat :D 04:48:34 +1 suresht, that is correct. 04:48:38 I forgot to mention, we also hold a 0 budget RP in Indonesia https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Padang 04:48:47 hmm, okay. Understood. 04:48:50 Thank you. 04:48:53 eof 04:49:00 +1 jurank_dankkal, that makes sense. 04:49:15 Good information. Other thoughts? 04:51:04 T minus 09 minutes. 04:51:22 Should we continue or end meeting? 04:52:36 I've nothing more 04:52:40 Okay. 04:52:54 Should we end meeting then or continue? 04:52:59 May be end meeting? 04:53:02 dramsey, ok 04:53:07 oke 04:53:07 Thank you all. 04:53:12 Could someone post minutes and update the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-07-06 with the Summary and Transcript Links? 04:53:35 dramsey, :) as always 04:53:42 +1 Suresh - suresht 04:53:43 10 04:53:44 09 04:53:45 08 04:53:51 07 04:53:52 06 04:53:53 05 04:53:54 04 04:53:55 03 04:53:56 02 04:54:15 01 04:54:16 :D Thank you all for attending and see you in two weeks on Saturday, July 20th! :D 04:54:19 01 04:54:21 0.5 04:54:23 00.25 04:54:27 lol 04:54:33 0.125 04:54:34 #endmeeting