14:01:18 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:01:18 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:01:18 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:01:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:01:26 * Capesteve is here
14:01:32 * jhradilek is here.
14:01:39 * pbokoc too
14:01:50 * Sparks 
14:02:08 <randomuser> #chair jhradilek
14:02:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: jhradilek randomuser
14:04:45 <randomuser> okay, everyone else can speak up at will
14:04:55 <randomuser> welcome to yruseva !
14:05:07 <yruseva> thank you :)
14:05:33 <randomuser> #topic follow up on action items
14:05:40 * pkovar is here
14:05:56 <randomuser> afternoon, pkovar
14:06:40 <randomuser> we have one action item; I was to clear the master branch of the release notes and the wiki Beats
14:06:53 <randomuser> so, I'll just carry that over for the next week...
14:07:11 <randomuser> #action randomuser to clear master branch of RNs and wiki beats
14:07:19 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes - Changes coming
14:08:06 <randomuser> If you're subscribed to the devel@list you're starting to see jreznik is beginning the Changes process for F20
14:08:44 <randomuser> We have an active role in this process, and I probably should be recruiting people to track each Change
14:09:28 <jreznik> randomuser: that leads to a question - do you want to CC docs, or some kind of diggest I can send there (for people not being subscribed to devel-announce)? so people can pick up RNs they want to work ?
14:09:41 <randomuser> the discussion gets pretty lively, and it is a good opportunity to get involved and get info about a change while the discussion is active
14:09:51 <jreznik> btw. feel free to sign for RN owner in the change page itself, no need to ask
14:10:48 <randomuser> jreznik, I think it is a good idea to CC docs@ in the initial announcement, now that you mention it
14:10:57 <jreznik> randomuser: well, F20 is not very lively - and even I try to send reminders everywhere, only a few changes were proposed so far (but F18/F19 were big, with less time for F20, right after F19 - it's understable)
14:11:31 <jreznik> randomuser: the problem could be that sometimes it's a huge spam in one moment...
14:11:35 <randomuser> yes, i should say 'can get lively' :P
14:12:45 <randomuser> jreznik, spam with CCing ? there would be reply-to devel@, right?
14:14:10 <randomuser> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes
14:14:24 <jreznik> randomuser: I mean - it could lead to many announcements in a short time but we can try CC'ing docs list and in case of objections, I'll prepare some digests
14:14:53 <jreznik> (one thing - the ChangeSet list is not yet online, I have to fix my old scripts, should be done this week)
14:15:15 <randomuser> jreznik, okay. Really, whatever you think is best would probably be fine; it just seems like a CC would add the least work to your day
14:16:14 <jreznik> ack
14:16:19 <randomuser> anyone else have questions about Beats or Changes or questions for jreznik before we move on to guides?
14:18:35 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:19:33 <jhradilek> Ok, let me start.
14:19:49 <randomuser> go ahead :)
14:20:15 <jhradilek> I still need to make some changes to the Power Management Guide for Fedora 19, but I'll definitely do that tonight, so expect it to appear live later this night or tomorrow.
14:20:59 <randomuser> great!
14:21:24 <jhradilek> As for the System Administrator's Guide, I'll see what I can do, but I would like to publish it soon.
14:21:55 <randomuser> anything we can do to help, jhradilek ? further review?
14:22:52 <jhradilek> Reviews are very, very helpful. I know that the first couple of chapters need new screenshots and some edits, but the book is too big for me to try every single procedure and verify every single dialog window.
14:23:36 <randomuser> #info please help jhradilek identify where the system administrator's guide needs work
14:23:37 <jhradilek> So yeah, I really encourage people to take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Review_Table and either update the table, or file bugs.
14:24:25 <randomuser> jhradilek, it might be a good idea to try wrangling someone specifically for the remote auth section
14:24:38 <randomuser> ie someone that's active in gnome
14:25:05 <jhradilek> pkovar: Any ideas? ^
14:25:30 <pkovar> we will be covering authentication methods in the gnome sys admin guide
14:25:54 <pkovar> together with other topics on login / GDM
14:26:47 <pkovar> so i guess we should discuss this after the meeting :-)
14:27:25 <jhradilek> Sounds good, thanks.
14:27:42 <pkovar> np, thanks for pointing this out
14:27:55 <jhradilek> pkovar: We can/should also discuss the future of some of the chapters in the first part of the book.
14:28:06 <pkovar> sure
14:29:14 <jhradilek> pkovar: Like configuring keyboard or managing users and groups. These thinks are better explained in the built-in GNOME documentation and are not really relevant for system administrators, unlike the command line tools like localectl or datetimectl that should definitely be documented.
14:29:41 <pkovar> agreed
14:29:49 <jhradilek> *things
14:29:55 <pkovar> it definitely needs some coordination
14:31:33 <randomuser> Before I forget, Sparks, the db in web.git got corrupted; it is fixed now but the securityguide needs to be republished for f18 so the pdf is available
14:31:54 <jhradilek> What is causing that?
14:32:07 * randomuser shrugs
14:32:27 <jhradilek> I've seen some errors mentioning my guide, but I am not sure why.
14:32:42 <jhradilek> Also, are we still supposed to use publican 2.8?
14:32:43 <randomuser> maybe that was it
14:32:50 <jhradilek> (That's what I remember and what I used.)
14:32:58 <randomuser> yes, we should still be using publican 2.8
14:33:41 <randomuser> hrm... now I don't have that error in front of me and I can't find a broken link offhand
14:34:15 <randomuser> #info whoever publishes next, if you see an error about some other guide when running install_book, please report it to the list
14:34:35 <jhradilek> Ack.
14:35:10 <randomuser> i was hoping to talk to lnovich about the virt guide, but i think she's afk
14:36:39 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_new_contributors
14:37:11 <randomuser> #info Guide Owners, if you have tasks that are easy to pick up, please help out new contributors by adding them to the list
14:37:37 <jhradilek> Capesteve: We should add the Docs Review Table there.
14:38:36 <randomuser> in other news, I've added info on creating USB media to readme-burning-isos
14:38:50 <Capesteve> jhradilek: yes, will do
14:39:00 <randomuser> Including a script that shamelessly copies the content from the installation guide :)
14:40:52 <jhradilek> I'm blind. Where can I find it?
14:41:01 <randomuser> Okay, that's it from me. anything else on guides?
14:41:11 <jhradilek> The script I mean. :)
14:41:42 <randomuser> jhradilek, in the root of readme-burning-isos.git
14:42:25 <pbokoc> nothing from me. Thanks for fixing the installation quickstart guide and the pdfs though.
14:42:53 <randomuser> no problem, nice work getting them out so soon
14:43:31 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:43:39 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:44:26 <randomuser> a couple stale ones here:
14:44:31 <randomuser> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=755563
14:44:58 <randomuser> basically, how to use the DVD with yum; sysadmin guide, yum section?
14:45:39 <jhradilek> Thanks for catching this, I'll change the component.
14:45:51 <randomuser> thanks
14:46:35 <randomuser> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707687
14:46:59 <randomuser> systemd in the sysadmin guide; there's been at least some progress there, i'm sure of it
14:48:25 <randomuser> i'm just picking on you because you're here, jhradilek :)
14:49:04 <jhradilek> There has been, but I don't want to close this before systemd is fully documented, which not only means documenting the systemctl utility, but also the tools I mentioned above: hostnamectl, timedatectl, localectl, etc.
14:49:18 <randomuser> fair enough
14:49:53 <randomuser> there's quite a few here for the virtualization-guide; is that replaced by the VDAG??
14:50:53 * randomuser suspects it is
14:51:02 <randomuser> any other bugs of import?
14:53:27 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:54:32 * nirik arrives late, had one item
14:54:55 <sgordon> :D
14:55:08 <randomuser> welcome, nirik
14:55:27 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3860 <- if folks could answer those questions or add to cc folks who can, we can try and move that forward. ;)
14:55:54 <randomuser> ehhh... Sparks ?
14:56:19 <nirik> it's not urgent, just thought I would mention it. ;)
14:56:50 <randomuser> nirik, rudi is the driving force on that endeavor, fwiw; he's in australia so timing on irc doesn't sync up well
14:57:04 <nirik> no worries. in ticket is fine...
14:57:07 <nirik> carry on. ;)
14:57:45 <randomuser> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3860
14:58:57 <randomuser> two minute warning, folks, get in your jabs while you can
15:00:04 <randomuser> okay, thanks for coming
15:00:08 <randomuser> #endmeeting